It goes beyond that. Trump gave power to evil people! I don't know if Trump okayed Jeffery Epstein's recruitment of one of Trump's under aged workers. (That certainly happened and there's no evidence that Trump did anything to stop that.) But Trump put William Barr, a man associated with Jeffery Espstein's girlfriends father, in charge of the Justice Department and then Trump just stood there and allowed William Barr to cover up Epstein's murder. It's disingenuous to simply call that Trump being "in the orbit of the ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful." Mahatma Ghandi has been critized with being pen pals with Adolf Hitler. That can be excused as being friends with everybody. But had Ghandi recommended Adolf Hitler to be chair of the League of Nations that would be something entirely different. And Trump wasn't just in the "orbit" of Larry Fink. He let Larry Fink write policy! That includes the COVID bailout that began before COVID became a thing.
I'm not disputing any facts. The difference in our views is that I am following the principle of charity, in abundance, in interpreting Trump's actions as 45, because we know that God has provided a way of escape (1 Cor. 10:13) and I want to believe that is Trump. Aka I have hope.
The bump stock ban by executive order was unprecedented which is why it got struck down. It set the stage for Biden's ban of the pistol brace by executive order. The exact same thing happened with both bans. The ATF had already decided the accessory didn't violate the law. The POTUS decided to pressure the ATF to declare it was against the law. Americans who had already relied on the AFT's previous interepretation of the law were then penalized. You can put lipstick on a pig all you want but it's still a pig. Same for red flag laws and "Take the guns first then have due process" (direct Trump quote). Sorry but that's a horrible example to prove whatever it is you're trying to prove.
No real argument except that this is absolutely run-of-the-mill in DC. I don't do litmus-testing, we're a trillion lightyears beyond the point where litmus-testing would be relevant. The hurdle is so low that Trump not starting a new war for four years is itself a Herculean accomplishment. Litmus-testing on the legalities of an EO ban on this or that firearms accessory is just not important. I understand all the slippery-slope arguments but it just really is not important.
Okay.
Provide a single source that shows Trump blocked a single vaccine mandate! Seriouly
the vaccine wasn't avaialbe in large quantities until Trump was out of office!
Vaccinations didn't even BEGIN in the U.S. until December 2020.
I'm going off rusty memory here, but I recall Trump saying that Americans have the right to choose how they will be treated and that the vaccine is the best option but it shouldn't be mandatory. I don't know if there were any official acts or just speeches, either way, he took a lot of heat for espousing HCQ and other alternatives as viable options. He talked up the vaccine as the best, but said there were other options and they practically wanted to nuke the White House for him saying that.
Sorry, but your pont is is 100% irrelevant in that Whitney was clearly pointing out that no human is coming to save you. And her solution fits 100% in line with any true Christian which is to quit looking to the government or to any politician and instead look for local solutions with like minded people. (i.e. a church). The fact that you somehow think Trump was "blocking" a vaccine mandate with zero evidence to that effect shows that Whitney is being more "spiritual" in this particular instance.
My point is not irrelevant at all. The billionaire class are not our enemy, this is a standard Marxist talking-point and Webb is falling for it, starting from a different angle, i.e. that the tech-billionaires have become private extensions of the MIC. It is true that many of these tech billionaires are just fronts for the MIC but wealth by itself doesn't tell you who is on which side. And the reason for that is that our war is not against flesh and blood. So, I'm not saying to look to the government for salvation -- you will be hard-pressed to find a more anti-State participant on this forum. As for the word "block", I admit my memory is rusty and it may have been the backlash against Trump's support for alternatives (leaving open the option to
not take the vaccine) that I'm recollecting. Trump's actions here are actually heroic in that, at the time, the Left was treating anything less than 100% vaxx-compliance as outright murder, but Trump and DeSantis set the stage to prick that bubble. Once Red-states saw that there was an option to not go along with the vaxx-mandate insanity, that whole line of attempted tyranny collapsed across Red-state America. And it was Trump who was the first to make that politically possible by making sure to educate the public on alternatives to the vaxx. As far as I can tell, the only reason he wanted credit for "Warp Speed" was that they were forcing the vaxx through no matter what, and so he wanted to at least get credit for getting the job done quick.
God can, and does, use every person in power to accomplish His aims whether that person wants to follow God or not. That includes Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, whoever.
Right, but there is a pattern to
how God works. Those rulers who are neutral or even friendly to God's kingdom are sometimes used as a King Cyrus, a friend of God's people who himself may be pagan. Those rulers who are openly hostile to God are dealt with in one of two ways: (a) they are ground to powder and replaced or (b) they are struck with madness, plagues, etc., humbled, and converted to belief in God, then used by God. In no case has God ever delivered his people by the hand of a wicked ruler. Pharaoh fought to the bitter end and his army was drowned in the Red Sea. Sennacherib came against Jerusalem threatening to topple Almighty God himself, and 185,000 of his army died overnight. So, an open blasphemer in the White House can only result in one of two courses of action if God is to deliver us from this present evil: (a) God grinds them to powder and replaces them, or (b) God strikes them with a plague and converts them by force. In no case will God orchestrate deliverance of his people through the hands of a blasphemer. That makes no sense at all.
Nothing is more irritating than Christians who can only see "God's hand" when the person they align with is in power.
Except one thing, even more irritating: online partisan hacks who are so myopically focused on the Trump-is-evil-incarnate narrative, that they don't even read or pay attention to the actual post they're responding to. Nowhere have I said that Trump is a person I "align with". Of all Presidents in recent memory, Trump is the first to take a real stab in the direction of the heart of tyranny in DC, and he did that by starting no new wars, by starving the MIC. So yes, that got my attention, and I will acknowledge that was a brave course of action. I could list 100 different things that Trump could do to improve, but if he gets in and accomplishes only
one thing as 47,
do more of what he did as 45 and keep starving the MIC. Another 4 years of no new wars would be a great continuation of 45!
And yes, I've rebuked Christian on the left who can't imagine God working through Trump as well.
God "works through" all things without exception, Romans 8:28, including actual evil. But when it comes to the way in which God works for the deliverance of his people, it's not merely a question of whether God is sovereign over history, or not. Rather, it's a question of
honor. Will God honor Biden in anything whatsoever? Absolutely not. Will he give him even the honor of being a pagan that allies with believers to orchestrate the deliverance of believers? No way! Anyone who is in open blasphemy of God will not be used by God as a public figure of deliverance in any way, shape or form. They can only be destroyed or ignored by him. God has clearly been ignoring POTUS for all the time I've been voting age (late 90's) and probably long before that. A POTUS that will at least acknowledge God in a minimal way ("go through the motions") and refrain from espousing openly blasphemous views/policies, perhaps that is someone God would publicly use. Otherwise, God does not need even POTUS, he has 100 million harvest angels (Rev. 5:11), chomping at the bit to torch this entire planet and sift the ashes.
That said, Trump said himself that he doesn't recall ever "apologizing" to God. I'm not sure how anybody can call him a Christian based on that alone.
I don't think he even understood the question. I have no opinion whatsoever about Trump's standing before God. He may be the worst man on earth, or the best, only God knows that. What I do know, is that Trump is not openly blaspheming God (supporting abortion, while claiming the mantle of "Christianity"), he is not actively oppressing the church (Wokism), and so on. As a citizen, this is the minimum requirement I have for any civil servant, and the rest is between that individual and God.
Yes. I understand that. I'm not sure you do however. I think you think you do. Donald Trump is "flesh and bones." Kamala Harris is "flesh and bones." Joe Biden is "flesh and bones."
Correct. However, they are each the face/front of something else behind them. That "something else" is the thing that I'm talking about.
The "principalties and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places" are the not-so-secret societies that have their influence everywhere.
It's not that simple, either. Many people get involved in occult, and later escape it. So, our battle is
truly not with flesh and blood, meaning, not with other humans-as-humans. There is no group of humans that, if we could just wipe them out, would finally restore peace in this world. Thus, we are not called to that. Rather, we are called to spiritual warfare, which begins with Scripture, prayer and fellowship with other believers - the church. While Satan's strongholds have a lot of overlap with the secret societies, it is not a 1-to-1 map.
That is what Whitney Webb is exposing. You're going through mental gymnastics trying to justify the idea that those principalities and powers didn't do through the Trump administration what the evidence clearly shows they did do.
Nope. I actually use my brain and don't settle for partisan factionalism, which is why you can't understand anything I say. I'm not "pro-Trump". Rather, I can envision a scenario in my mind in which God uses Trump 47 to facilitate an exodus of believers from the jaws which are already clamping down upon them, jaws which started to snap shut right after 9/11, and which are just now almost at lockjaw position. Think of it this way -- I see Trump as a crash-landing and Harris as a crash. Either way, this plane is crashing. I just hope there will be someone at the controls actually pulling up, rather than pushing down to make the crash even worse. There can be no doubt that this country is presently already under God's judgment. We're all about to be subjected to historically unprecedented suffering, no matter how the election turns out. I just don't want my friends, family and other countrymen to be hurt as bad as the network-of-evil intends to hurt them. I hope and pray that God will use a Trump 47 to soften the crash-landing for the sake of the truly righteous remnant in this country. Sadly, spiritually speaking, I don't see a high percentage of a MAGA crowd as actually being among that righteous remnant. There's too much thin-blue-line pharisaism on the right and God is not at all going to be impressed by that when he returns. Some of those people are going to be told, "Get away from me, I never knew you", even though they think they are at the head of the line to get into heaven. But no matter how many hypocrites there are in the church, there
are the righteous among them. And it is those people I pray for and which I hope to be counted among. And great hardship has always been attended by great spiritual revival, so I pray that God may bring in a spiritual harvest like never before as we enter the coming phase of extreme pain...
