Where is the socialist/communist/collectivist propaganda coming from? Schools? TV? Washington? It scares me, its everywhere. Everybody, everywhere of all ages, races and economic background seem to believe it. Europe is already a lost cause. Have they not seen the failure over and over again of this Democratic-socialist utopia? Don't they see how sacrificing their Liberty results in bondage and servitude. Do people not want to be free? Do they want to remain ignorant? Its common sense, I honestly believe even the least intelligent people can figure out how the world actually works and why an attempt to change it or plan a new course will result in spectacular failure. Where did the fear come from? Life is Life, you win some, you lose some, but you are living. Do people honestly believe they can eliminate all discomfort or unfortunate events, bad things in general to form a perfect utopia? Don't they see how the universe works? God I hope this Revolution succeeds. I am not scared of Jihadists under the bed, dying on a motorcycle, or drowning in the ocean. I am scared shitless by these collectivist delusions.
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10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto
Paper money, government schools, the Nobel lie, progressive taxation, property confiscation, all accomplished through indoctrination, ignorance & fear.
Paper money, government schools, the Nobel lie, progressive taxation, property confiscation, all accomplished through indoctrination, ignorance & fear.
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People are weak and wicked.
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It's funny because all these false utopias have one fatal flaw at their root. You need violence in order to work towards it. But what you are working towards is really an illusion, a superstition. You can't order the lives of others. It can't happen. Not only that but as you approach it or move away from it it changes, its never static. So the objective of all these utopias is illusory, while the means of getting there, violence and the condoning of it is very real.
So in the pursuit of false utopias you are getting real hell. All this killing and death and thievery is done in the name of these grand ideas which are nothing but superstition. The only real utopia is a world without violence. When you understand that then it all becomes clear. The real utopia says the destination we long for is a state of living together where we don't use violence to "get" anywhere.
So it is the action of violence itself that is wrong, and the cessation of which is what will fix the problem. But all this propaganda teaches that we can achieve some higher state by this or that method which always has force at the root.
But this change from violence to non-violence can only be achieved one person at a time until that day comes when public opinion actually becomes one of non-violence instead of the current public opinion that justifies the use of violence in virtually every situation where it counts.
So in the pursuit of false utopias you are getting real hell. All this killing and death and thievery is done in the name of these grand ideas which are nothing but superstition. The only real utopia is a world without violence. When you understand that then it all becomes clear. The real utopia says the destination we long for is a state of living together where we don't use violence to "get" anywhere.
So it is the action of violence itself that is wrong, and the cessation of which is what will fix the problem. But all this propaganda teaches that we can achieve some higher state by this or that method which always has force at the root.
But this change from violence to non-violence can only be achieved one person at a time until that day comes when public opinion actually becomes one of non-violence instead of the current public opinion that justifies the use of violence in virtually every situation where it counts.
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You're right, It's everybody else who's wrong.
I believe you are absolutely right. It boils down to the non-aggression axiom and the various violations stacked on top of each other. It is very simple philosophy that at least for me is very unifying and scales to explain a lot if not most of societies problems. Amazing how people deem aggression acceptable as long as most agree.
Are you trolling? You have every right to disagree and discuss. Obviously its like my opinion man, even though none of the ideas are originally mine.
Violence begets violence. The government leads by example. Since force is all the government knows, it becomes the only means the people can retaliate with. I am a lover not a fighter, but I see that there comes a time and place where good men must draw the line. The government will react the only it knows how, with violence. Human nature also dictates that people don't act until the innocent die. Its an ugly circle.
The founding fathers knew this, Thomas Jefferson in particular, with his famous line about "washing the tree of Liberty". George Washington told us that "government is not eloquence, it is force".
The founding fathers knew this, Thomas Jefferson in particular, with his famous line about "washing the tree of Liberty". George Washington told us that "government is not eloquence, it is force".
Violence begets violence. The government leads by example. Since force is all the government knows, it becomes the only means the people can retaliate with. I am a lover not a fighter, but I see that there comes a time and place where good men must draw the line. The government will react the only it knows how, with violence. Human nature also dictates that people don't act until the innocent die. Its an ugly circle.
The founding fathers knew this, Thomas Jefferson in particular, with his famous line about "washing the tree of Liberty". George Washington told us that "government is not eloquence, it is force".
The founding fathers knew this, Thomas Jefferson in particular, with his famous line about "washing the tree of Liberty". George Washington told us that "government is not eloquence, it is force".
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Speaking as a former communist, socialist, and member of Revleft myself, the pursuit of socialism today comes from the protest against the injustices created by our government, and misconceptions of the rich.
Socialists tend to believe the rich use their power and their money to influence us. However, the truth is that the rich use their power and our money to influence us!
What most socialists believe is that by taxing the "undeserving" rich, we could assume a balanced government which does not seek to "control" its people with manopolies and lobbyists, but instead grants OPPORTUNITY to the poor in order to start a successful business and decent life!
However, the truth here is that in the end, we're just adding wood to the fire, and making the problem worse BECAUSE problems in society arrived from government controlling the people!
Socialists believe that if we do not tax the poor, it automatically assumes the middle class will be free from oppression, and that with opportunity, will be the motivation to work, with a "safe", controlled economy.
However, Socialism is very risky because it ignores the value of dollar, and how essential currency is to trading with other nations today. What happens is the government must spend more money to meet the demands of society through government-run education, medical care, and so on. However, what happens as a result is inflation, and it devalues the dollar. This means they must spend more money, and eventually, it collapses on itself!
This socialism movement is a VERY great thing however, because it means society is concerned about the upper-class controlling them! Many socialists tend to also demand the end of our war on drugs, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. They share the same values we do!
So how should we respond? EDUCATE THEM!
Socialists ultimately want the same kind of society which libertarians wish, and that is restrained government (no lobbyists), liberty (gov minds its own business), opportunity (The freedom to pursue the life you wish), and an end to wars!
So EDUCATE them! Explain to them why socialism will only make the problems worse, and why libertarianism is the solution! And watch as people like me join the fight for liberty!
Socialists tend to believe the rich use their power and their money to influence us. However, the truth is that the rich use their power and our money to influence us!
What most socialists believe is that by taxing the "undeserving" rich, we could assume a balanced government which does not seek to "control" its people with manopolies and lobbyists, but instead grants OPPORTUNITY to the poor in order to start a successful business and decent life!
However, the truth here is that in the end, we're just adding wood to the fire, and making the problem worse BECAUSE problems in society arrived from government controlling the people!
Socialists believe that if we do not tax the poor, it automatically assumes the middle class will be free from oppression, and that with opportunity, will be the motivation to work, with a "safe", controlled economy.
However, Socialism is very risky because it ignores the value of dollar, and how essential currency is to trading with other nations today. What happens is the government must spend more money to meet the demands of society through government-run education, medical care, and so on. However, what happens as a result is inflation, and it devalues the dollar. This means they must spend more money, and eventually, it collapses on itself!
This socialism movement is a VERY great thing however, because it means society is concerned about the upper-class controlling them! Many socialists tend to also demand the end of our war on drugs, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. They share the same values we do!
So how should we respond? EDUCATE THEM!
Socialists ultimately want the same kind of society which libertarians wish, and that is restrained government (no lobbyists), liberty (gov minds its own business), opportunity (The freedom to pursue the life you wish), and an end to wars!
So EDUCATE them! Explain to them why socialism will only make the problems worse, and why libertarianism is the solution! And watch as people like me join the fight for liberty!
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Thank you for your response. Very well put and almost channeling Hayek himself. We must join the intellectuals and present our alternatives to the public. It will be hard.
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I don't know who Hayek is, but it is my general belief that a majority of socialists and communists deeply care about society. There for, I do not believe we should antagonize them either.
What we do need to do is wake them up to stop this cult of personality crap. What tends to happen with left-winged mob mentality is the cult of personality phenomena, where they support someone ONLY because they're left-winged!
They are so focused on criticizing the big banksters and republican stereotypes, that they would do anything to tax them more! And that is why they've giving in and voting Obama, thinking he's making it better!
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You're right. I don't believe socialists in general are "bad" people. They are just like you and me. They want the ability to live their lives and pursue their interests without interference. The problem, I believe, with politics today is because of the "sociopaths" who typically rise to the top and desire the power that socialism would give them (not to mention the financial security of being "in charge" of such a society. Deep down these people know they are lying their faces off but they don't care so long as they get to say how things are done.
Educate, yes the best course of action. It will be hard, yes, it didn't take me long to figure out that it isn't the candidates who have to change, it's the people who vote for them.
Refreshing point of view. Thanks for sharing. Please read Hayek. "The Road to Serfdom" would be right up your alley.
You are correct, they mean well. Sometimes its easy to lose sight of that and get worked up when discussing/arguing with them. It is so frustrating because of the effectiveness of the propaganda and of course numerous negative scape goats. I think we must fight fire with fire and come up with our own propaganda machine. In effect this is what Dr. Paul has been doing, he opens the door to liberty with his rhetoric and the rest takes care of itself. We just need to unravel decades of socialist propaganda and fallacy.
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I'll tell ya what we need.
We need a hypnotist specializing in NLP to wake people up!
Sure, it isn't ethical, but it's still first amendment!
If Obama could make socialism cool again, we do the same for liberty!
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Put it this way. By allowing freedom you gain fairness, by enforcing equality you deny liberty.
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The TV is very powerful - watch any detective show, the "good guy cop" has to break some rules and cut some corners to catch the "bad guy" drug dealer.
It plays out this way every time - pretty disgusting re-enforcement of less freedom equals more safety.
Watch enough of these types of shows and you start to believe that it's reality.
Also the news media and public relations, of course. There is very little journalistic integrity, the media doesn't let the people make up their own mind by laying out facts, but forces an agenda. PR firms also relentlessly push for certain issues that back their special interests, lazy reporters accept their stories every time.
Also you have the distractions. Movies, sports, all other entertainment knowledge that clutters a mind with useless knowledge.
Lastly there is the public schooling - the destruction of individual spirit and creativity - instead they push forward conformity and group thinking.
It plays out this way every time - pretty disgusting re-enforcement of less freedom equals more safety.
Watch enough of these types of shows and you start to believe that it's reality.
Also the news media and public relations, of course. There is very little journalistic integrity, the media doesn't let the people make up their own mind by laying out facts, but forces an agenda. PR firms also relentlessly push for certain issues that back their special interests, lazy reporters accept their stories every time.
Also you have the distractions. Movies, sports, all other entertainment knowledge that clutters a mind with useless knowledge.
Lastly there is the public schooling - the destruction of individual spirit and creativity - instead they push forward conformity and group thinking.
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to put it a step further . I have no problem with socialists at the local and state level as long as they are not using gov force to pursue their ideas just voluntary such as co-ops,local gardens and charity etc etc.
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