Where is it coming from?

[wizardwatson]

I don't know who Hayek is, but it is my general belief that a majority of socialists and communists deeply care about society. There for, I do not believe we should antagonize them either.

What we do need to do is wake them up to stop this cult of personality crap. What tends to happen with left-winged mob mentality is the cult of personality phenomena, where they support someone ONLY because they're left-winged!

They are so focused on criticizing the big banksters and republican stereotypes, that they would do anything to tax them more! And that is why they've giving in and voting Obama, thinking he's making it better!

What is socialism but the belief that we should help our fellow man and that living in luxury while people around you are starving to death is immoral. Hell I even feel like a hypocritical douche when I buy a red bull, and at the store won't donate a dollar for whatever charity they are pushing. We have a moral obligation not only to be non-violent but also to help each other wherever we can. This is truly loving your neighbor.

The hurdle is to educate people into realizing the benefit for themselves and society if this law of love is followed without exception. The whole thing is really quite simple. We don't need complicated theories to teach people this stuff. They already know these basic things, trick is to get them to actually believe in it instead of believing that violence is necessary and that all must struggle against all in the name of progress.

 

[azxd]

Speaking as a former communist, socialist, and member of Revleft myself, the pursuit of socialism today comes from the protest against the injustices created by our government, and misconceptions of the rich.

Socialists tend to believe the rich use their power and their money to influence us. However, the truth is that the rich use their power and our money to influence us!

What most socialists believe is that by taxing the "undeserving" rich, we could assume a balanced government which does not seek to "control" its people with manopolies and lobbyists, but instead grants OPPORTUNITY to the poor in order to start a successful business and decent life!

However, the truth here is that in the end, we're just adding wood to the fire, and making the problem worse BECAUSE problems in society arrived from government controlling the people!

Socialists believe that if we do not tax the poor, it automatically assumes the middle class will be free from oppression, and that with opportunity, will be the motivation to work, with a "safe", controlled economy.

However, Socialism is very risky because it ignores the value of dollar, and how essential currency is to trading with other nations today. What happens is the government must spend more money to meet the demands of society through government-run education, medical care, and so on. However, what happens as a result is inflation, and it devalues the dollar. This means they must spend more money, and eventually, it collapses on itself!

This socialism movement is a VERY great thing however, because it means society is concerned about the upper-class controlling them! Many socialists tend to also demand the end of our war on drugs, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. They share the same values we do!

So how should we respond? EDUCATE THEM!

Socialists ultimately want the same kind of society which libertarians wish, and that is restrained government (no lobbyists), liberty (gov minds its own business), opportunity (The freedom to pursue the life you wish), and an end to wars!

So EDUCATE them! Explain to them why socialism will only make the problems worse, and why libertarianism is the solution! And watch as people like me join the fight for liberty!

So it's really not the banksters, as some claim ?

 

[azxd]

I don't know who Hayek is, but it is my general belief that a majority of socialists and communists deeply care about society. There for, I do not believe we should antagonize them either.

What we do need to do is wake them up to stop this cult of personality crap. What tends to happen with left-winged mob mentality is the cult of personality phenomena, where they support someone ONLY because they're left-winged!

They are so focused on criticizing the big banksters and republican stereotypes, that they would do anything to tax them more! And that is why they've giving in and voting Obama, thinking he's making it better!

I should have kept reading !!

Does this mean you think we have a few socialists amongst the ranks ?
Because I do read of some blaming most everything on the banksters ... But that doesn't explain why they are supporting RP over Obama

Moving away from the FED Reserve won't eliminate banks, or the people who run them ... Thoughts ??

 

[Lishy]

Moving away from the FED Reserve won't eliminate banks, or the people who run them ... Thoughts ??

As far as I'm concerned, "big banksters" is usually slang to generalize FED lobbyists and such.

 

[Hyperion]

The schools are undoubtedly the worst. The media then reinforces their paradigm and we end up with the government we have.

It's amazing how the schools try to indocrtinate the youth. ALL HAIL WILSON,TEDDY ROOSEVELT,FDR! and every other awful statist president we've had.

 

[Travlyr]

So it's really not the banksters, as some claim ?

I find counterfeiters (bankers) to be the major problem of our day. It is based on cheating, lying, and stealing. They get extremely wealthy on the backs of workers. They add nothing productive for society. They turn to warmongering for profits. They use police and other thugs to keep competition at bay and society controlled. Yeah, bankers are a major problem.

 

[Shredmonster]

Socialists tend to believe the rich use their power and their money to influence us. However, the truth is that the rich use their power and our money to influence us!

Socialism is centralization of power and decision making using coercion and force. Read Hayek. Those in power use socialism as an excuse to limit competition so they can stay rich and powerful. They system by its very nature limits opportunity and progress.

What most socialists believe is that by taxing the "undeserving" rich, we could assume a balanced government which does not seek to "control" its people with manopolies and lobbyists, but instead grants OPPORTUNITY to the poor in order to start a successful business and decent life!

There is no such thing as BALANCED government. To believe so is to not understand the very nature of government which is to grow and liberty to yield. The founders knew this. Government becomes a system where the only thing valued is power and control. It has NOTHING to do with the benefit of the citizens.


However, the truth here is that in the end, we're just adding wood to the fire, and making the problem worse BECAUSE problems in society arrived from government controlling the people!
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

Socialists believe that if we do not tax the poor, it automatically assumes the middle class will be free from oppression, and that with opportunity, will be the motivation to work, with a "safe", controlled economy.
Yeah how's that working out in the real world ? The middle class are getting killed. A middle class white guy is about the most oppressed member of society in the US.
This stuff only works in text books and fantasies.

However, Socialism is very risky because it ignores the value of dollar, and how essential currency is to trading with other nations today. What happens is the government must spend more money to meet the demands of society through government-run education, medical care, and so on. However, what happens as a result is inflation, and it devalues the dollar. This means they must spend more money, and eventually, it collapses on itself!

The money part of it is the least important part. Read Hayek. Socialism stifles human ingenuity. The system when put in practice is a system of spoils. To get a head in the socialist system you do what those in charge want as opposed to doing what you want or what helps your society the most. This is because incentives are determined by those in control for the benefit of those in control.

This socialism movement is a VERY great thing however, because it means society is concerned about the upper-class controlling them! Many socialists tend to also demand the end of our war on drugs, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. They share the same values we do!

You have this backward. It NEVER has been a great thing. Read history. Socialism is a tool by the upper class to protect their wealth and power and that is all it is.
The sheeple who are the useful idiots do not understand the insidious nature of man and government.

So how should we respond? EDUCATE THEM!

Socialists ultimately want the same kind of society which libertarians wish, and that is restrained government (no lobbyists), liberty (gov minds its own business), opportunity (The freedom to pursue the life you wish), and an end to wars!
Uh.... if a person wanted restrained government they would not be a socialist as it has nothing to do with restrained government and liberty. You gotta be kidding me. Read Hayek.

 

[roho76]

Speaking as a former communist, socialist, and member of Revleft myself, the pursuit of socialism today comes from the protest against the injustices created by our government, and misconceptions of the rich.

Socialists tend to believe the rich use their power and their money to influence us. However, the truth is that the rich use their power and our money to influence us!

What most socialists believe is that by taxing the "undeserving" rich, we could assume a balanced government which does not seek to "control" its people with manopolies and lobbyists, but instead grants OPPORTUNITY to the poor in order to start a successful business and decent life!

However, the truth here is that in the end, we're just adding wood to the fire, and making the problem worse BECAUSE problems in society arrived from government controlling the people!

Socialists believe that if we do not tax the poor, it automatically assumes the middle class will be free from oppression, and that with opportunity, will be the motivation to work, with a "safe", controlled economy.

However, Socialism is very risky because it ignores the value of dollar, and how essential currency is to trading with other nations today. What happens is the government must spend more money to meet the demands of society through government-run education, medical care, and so on. However, what happens as a result is inflation, and it devalues the dollar. This means they must spend more money, and eventually, it collapses on itself!

This socialism movement is a VERY great thing however, because it means society is concerned about the upper-class controlling them! Many socialists tend to also demand the end of our war on drugs, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. They share the same values we do!

So how should we respond? EDUCATE THEM!

Socialists ultimately want the same kind of society which libertarians wish, and that is restrained government (no lobbyists), liberty (gov minds its own business), opportunity (The freedom to pursue the life you wish), and an end to wars!

So EDUCATE them! Explain to them why socialism will only make the problems worse, and why libertarianism is the solution! And watch as people like me join the fight for liberty!

Lishy, you give me hope that other socialist/communists and other government sympathizers will eventually come to the right conclusions as it appears you have. Can I ask you, what did you see in the socialist/communist/collectivist scheme? Did you actually hold the same views as you do now and thought that route was the answer or did you hold totally different views about the problem and the solution. If so what was it that made your do a 180? Was it one issue or was it the whole ideology that you realized was built on falsehoods. I'm only asking so as to understand the mind of the collectivist and maybe use what turned you to influence them.

 

[AuH20]

Where is the socialist/communist/collectivist propaganda coming from? Schools? TV? Washington? It scares me, its everywhere. Everybody, everywhere of all ages, races and economic background seem to believe it. Europe is already a lost cause. Have they not seen the failure over and over again of this Democratic-socialist utopia? Don't they see how sacrificing their Liberty results in bondage and servitude. Do people not want to be free? Do they want to remain ignorant? Its common sense, I honestly believe even the least intelligent people can figure out how the world actually works and why an attempt to change it or plan a new course will result in spectacular failure. Where did the fear come from? Life is Life, you win some, you lose some, but you are living. Do people honestly believe they can eliminate all discomfort or unfortunate events, bad things in general to form a perfect utopia? Don't they see how the universe works? God I hope this Revolution succeeds. I am not scared of Jihadists under the bed, dying on a motorcycle, or drowning in the ocean. I am scared shitless by these collectivist delusions.

When you're disconnected from reality, it's easy to swallow the delusions pushed by the state. Many of these socialists live for the here and now & have very little understanding about the harsh truths of the human condition.

 

[AuH20]

As I was saying............

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fun...monetary-system-but-still-buy-big-screen-tvs/

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The TV is very powerful - watch any detective show, the "good guy cop" has to break some rules and cut some corners to catch the "bad guy" drug dealer.

It plays out this way every time - pretty disgusting re-enforcement of less freedom equals more safety.

Watch enough of these types of shows and you start to believe that it's reality.

Also the news media and public relations, of course. There is very little journalistic integrity, the media doesn't let the people make up their own mind by laying out facts, but forces an agenda. PR firms also relentlessly push for certain issues that back their special interests, lazy reporters accept their stories every time.

Also you have the distractions. Movies, sports, all other entertainment knowledge that clutters a mind with useless knowledge.

Lastly there is the public schooling - the destruction of individual spirit and creativity - instead they push forward conformity and group thinking.

I think the bolded above is the most important. Government schools have a strong tendency to destroy minds from an early age. John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Iserbyt have done a lot of great research and exposition on this. If most people were capable of rational thinking, it would be impossible for the media to trick the masses most of the time.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Where is it coming from?

http://mises.org/document/1164/The-AntiCapitalistic-Mentality

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

http://mises.org/document/1164/The-AntiCapitalistic-Mentality

+1

Very good book.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

+1

Very good book.

Not too long, either. I read it on a plane ride.

Suprised the TSA didn't confiscate it.

 

[libertygrl]

Where is the socialist/communist/collectivist propaganda coming from? Schools? TV? Washington? It scares me, its everywhere. Everybody, everywhere of all ages, races and economic background seem to believe it. Europe is already a lost cause. Have they not seen the failure over and over again of this Democratic-socialist utopia? Don't they see how sacrificing their Liberty results in bondage and servitude. Do people not want to be free? Do they want to remain ignorant? Its common sense, I honestly believe even the least intelligent people can figure out how the world actually works and why an attempt to change it or plan a new course will result in spectacular failure. Where did the fear come from? Life is Life, you win some, you lose some, but you are living. Do people honestly believe they can eliminate all discomfort or unfortunate events, bad things in general to form a perfect utopia? Don't they see how the universe works? God I hope this Revolution succeeds. I am not scared of Jihadists under the bed, dying on a motorcycle, or drowning in the ocean. I am scared shitless by these collectivist delusions.

http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/

http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?page=usercat&catid=28

 

[afwjam]

http://mises.org/document/1164/The-AntiCapitalistic-Mentality

and its on the iPad... Mahalo.

 

[TomtheTinker]

I can't say for sure where its coming from..but I can tell you where it ends. It ends where we draw the line and tomthetinker is just about at that point.

 

[DamianTV]

I find counterfeiters (bankers Banksters) to be the major problem of our day. It is based on cheating, lying, and stealing. They get extremely wealthy on the backs of workers. They add nothing productive for society. They turn to warmongering for profits. They use police and other thugs to keep competition at bay and society controlled. Yeah, bankers Banksters are a major problem.

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