When will libertarianism rise again?

[brandon]

In 2007 and again in 2011 it felt like we were on the cusp of success. In 2015 we thought maybe moderate Rand Paul could be the compromise candidate that lead our cause. Now it seems like alt-right nationalism has totally co-opted our movement.

On the positive we've gained a few great congessmen like Massie, Walter Jones, and Amash. But on the negative our entire movement has been taken over by Trumptards.

When will we rise again? I'm a decade older than when I first joined but still standing by for the Revolution.

 

[oyarde]

I think you may have seen the peak until the next downturn . I also do not think it is trump you lost future members to but more like Sanders .

 

[brandon]

I feel like the only other Ron Paul tier candidate we have in the pipeline is Massie, and he still needs another decade or more in congress before he's ready to lead the charge. We need to fill the pipeline with more good honest libertarians. Why are they so hard to find? In any case, I'm ready to print a million Massie Revolution banners when he runs for president.

 

[TheTexan]

As long as we can continue to get 3-4 house reps and 1 senator every 10 years, we'll have 6-8 house reps and 2 senators in no time, and then theres no stopping us

 

[Nolan]

It will rise from the ashes of empires.

 

[dannno]

In 2007 and again in 2011 it felt like we were on the cusp of success. In 2015 we thought maybe moderate Rand Paul could be the compromise candidate that lead our cause. Now it seems like alt-right nationalism has totally co-opted our movement.

On the positive we've gained a few great congessmen like Massie, Walter Jones, and Amash. But on the negative our entire movement has been taken over by Trumptards.

When will we rise again? I'm a decade older than when I first joined but still standing by for the Revolution.

Think of the Trump candidacy as a stepping stone to the liberty movement rising again.

It would have likely been hopeless for a very long time if Hillary had been elected.. but with Trump, we actually have someone in the Oval office battling the deep state.

 

[Suzanimal]

In 2007 and again in 2011 it felt like we were on the cusp of success. In 2015 we thought maybe moderate Rand Paul could be the compromise candidate that lead our cause. Now it seems like alt-right nationalism has totally co-opted our movement.

On the positive we've gained a few great congessmen like Massie, Walter Jones, and Amash. But on the negative our entire movement has been taken over by Trumptards.

When will we rise again? I'm a decade older than when I first joined but still standing by for the Revolution.

Although it's certainly not as exciting as seeing a libertarian run for President, I think the movement starts at home. Start in your house. Live your philosophy the best way you can and set an example. Then get out in your community, meet people and spread ideas.

One quote that keeps me from losing hope.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Why are they so hard to find?

They are hard to find because freedom is not popular.

Poll after poll indicates utter disgust with the fedgov machine.

And once you dig a little bit into the poll's questions and answers, you find that the reason for that disgust and disapproval is uniformly because the fedgov is either:

A) Not handing out enough benefits, dole and "freebies".

B) Not visiting enough violence on on the enemy du jour in the poll taker's mind.

Liberty belongs to brave minority who are willing to take, by any means necessary, what is rightfully theirs, seize it from the clutches of the authoritarians of whatever stripe and the rest of the addlepated masses be damned.

We, the fringe minority, lack the will to do that.

So here we sit, and will continue to sit.

 

[Origanalist]

Think of the Trump candidacy as a stepping stone to the liberty movement rising again.

It would have likely been hopeless for a very long time if Hillary had been elected.. but with Trump, we actually have someone in the Oval office battling the deep state.

 

[AuH20]

Libertarianism isn't properly equipped to take on globalism at this juncture. It's too taciturn and compromised. Nationalism is the perfect transitional solution in the interim. First the invaders (including the Davos crowd) have to be repelled.

 

[AuH20]

Think of the Trump candidacy as a stepping stone to the liberty movement rising again.

It would have likely been hopeless for a very long time if Hillary had been elected.. but with Trump, we actually have someone in the Oval office battling the deep state.

Nationalism is the only thing at the moment that's keeping us from being fully merged into a more hellish relationship on an international scale.

 

[Origanalist]

Nationalism is the only thing at the moment that's keeping us from being merged into a more hellish relationship on an international scale.

As far as I can tell it aint doing shit.

 

[AuH20]

As far as I can tell it aint doing $#@!.

It's summoned great numbers in the coming fight. Even TPP was stopped to a sudden halt.

Seducing someone with the flag and redirecting their nationalistic tendencies is a whole lot easier than converting them fully to Mises. We need bodies to throw into the gears of the machine.

Whomever wants to bring the fight to the international bodies that control the world, I'm on their side.

 

[euphemia]

As a viable political movement, I don't think you will ever see it happen. Libertarians can't unify around a set of core principles. They will never be any kind of force in the political arena until that happens.

And the Libertarian label is beyond redemption thanks to 2016 and Gary Johnson.

 

[sam1952]

They are hard to find because freedom is not popular.

Poll after poll indicates utter disgust with the fedgov machine.

And once you dig a little bit into the poll's questions and answers, you find that the reason for that disgust and disapproval is uniformly because the fedgov is either:

A) Not handing out enough benefits, dole and "freebies".

B) Not visiting enough violence on on the enemy du jour in the poll taker's mind.

Liberty belongs to brave minority who are willing to take, by any means necessary, what is rightfully theirs, seize it from the clutches of the authoritarians of whatever stripe and the rest of the addlepated masses be damned.

We, the fringe minority, lack the will to do that.

So here we sit, and will continue to sit.

A sobering truth...

 

[sam1952]

Although it's certainly not as exciting as seeing a libertarian run for President, I think the movement starts at home. Start in your house. Live your philosophy the best way you can and set an example. Then get out in your community, meet people and spread ideas.

One quote that keeps me from losing hope.

This is one of our bests shots achieving our common goal...

 

[oyarde]

I enjoy more liberty every day than 99.99 % of the population born after 1912 ever will, but I carve it out for myself. Which as an individual is your only shot. You have to find the right place to work , right place to live that allows you to steal the maximum liberty allowed .

 

[oyarde]

Oh yeah ,and AF is right , most people who do not like the govt . ? It is because they want more " free" shit .

 

[euphemia]

Don't blame it on liberals. Blame it on yourselves and the people you put forward as your leaders. Gary Johnson was never a libertarian of any kind. As president he would use the full force of government to defy the inalienable rights of citizens. But because cannibis he was libertarian.

And don't keep saying it's to educate people. If we were educating people, we would have a discernable identity. We don't. The people who scream the loudest on this forum about rights are the very first ones to shout down any legitimate libertarian argument when it comes down to liberty issues.

The cake is one example. Cannabis is another. Until libertarians carve out some sort of liberty identity, they will continue to fail.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Oh don't worry, you sourpusses! Things are fine. We're stronger and better positioned than ever before. Our ideas have become well-known and, among the native American population, well-respected, even if not entirely shared.

One thing to realize is that libertarianism is a part of the right. It is a right-wing ideology. The American nation, and in fact Europe, too, is in the midst of a major right-wing shift. Is it all about Libertarianism specifically? Of course not. There are other right wing ideologies, and even more right wing people who are not ideological at all. So we can bellyache about this, or we can realize that our side, broadly speaking, is ascendant.

Now, will the right actually get anything we want? That remains to be seen. That, if it is to happen, will require some serious, historic-caliber motion and action. For now, the Left is still in total control, as they have been for the past hundred years, though they are getting a bit worried.