When will libertarianism rise again?

[Indy Vidual]

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When will we rise again? ....

If history repeats, in ~10 years we will get a popular President who occasionally talks exactly like a Libertarian, aka. Reagan II.

 

[devil21]

I find that a lot of people are libertarians but they simply don't realize it. Trying to explain it to them does reach some but most experience brain-lock when confronted with the evidence of it. Media/FB peer pressure/etc mind control is goddamned hard to penetrate to a lasting effect.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Agreed.

I do, however, find myself harboring an increasing respect for the anti-federalists of the time.

The anti feds were the true guardians of the revolution.

The constitutional federalists were counter revolutionaries.

They carried the day, were ultimately successful and everything that the anti feds warned about what would happen under the new fedgov constitution, has now, sadly for us, come to pass.

 

[DamianTV]

"When" is a question that implies that Freedom has a chance. Trouble is that all the surveillance has one true intended purpose which is to absolutely crush dissent before it can even start. As long as this Brave New 1984 surveillance exists, no meaningful changes can be organized by challenging the current Status Quo with Violence. Liberty itself is in Check, but not Checkmate.

I've said repeatedly that the system maintains its power over the populations by the application of three critical foundations of control: Belief, Money, and Violence. An uprising that brings about any sort of change by Violence is what Surveillance is truly intended to stop. However, their other two foundations are falling apart. People have lost trust in the MSM and Education as their manipulations of Belief are thrown out the window by those who still have some ability to think for themselves. Then lastly, you have Money. Money is their Achilles Heel, and they are doing a bang up job of cutting it all by themselves. We dont need to lift a finger to bring about a total system collapse. The trouble with this method of challenging the Status Quo is the effects will be devastating on everyone, not just those at the top. As long as their exists a Central Bank that controls the issue of nations currency, the system has doomed itself. This may very well be the best thing that can happen in the long run. Hopefully future generations will look closely at how every nation of the world surrendered control of its govt to the whims and machinations of Central Banks, who have far too often been the cause for major conflicts. With this knowledge, we would not have had the wars of the 20th century. Printing Money is what transfers self control of a nation to a Parasitic Ruling Class that always kills its host organism in the end.

Their Endgame is near. This is as close as I can figure that Libertarianism might rise again.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The anti feds were the true guardians of the revolution.

The constitutional federalists were counter revolutionaries.

They carried the day, were ultimately successful and everything that the anti feds warned about what would happen under the new fedgov constitution, has now, sadly for us, come to pass.

Yeah, they sure are coming to pass. Wish we had an anti-federalist section here. I've read all of the anti-federalist papers that I've seen in various collections. Surely not all of them, though, given that they were largely written in the social sections of the newspapers at the time under pen names.

It'd make for some really cool discussion.

 

[devil21]

"When" is a question that implies that Freedom has a chance. Trouble is that all the surveillance has one true intended purpose which is to absolutely crush dissent before it can even start. As long as this Brave New 1984 surveillance exists, no meaningful changes can be organized by challenging the current Status Quo with Violence. Liberty itself is in Check, but not Checkmate.

That's the thing. Violence isn't really an option these days because it gives the state the ability to crank down further and that is what they'd like. I can't say it enough that what TPTB fear the most is people ceasing to consent to their games. Their game meaning things like their created constructs such as fake elections and fake money. All of it is by consent, whether people understand that or want to admit it, or not. Simply opting out and not letting the dictates of the ivory towers affect their daily life and decisions. Most of it is indeed mind control (that is what the word 'govern-ment' means, after all) and faith in imaginary concepts that can be, and are, manipulated on a daily basis.

I mean, look at the french election. Macron was sworn in today and most french people will go along with whatever comes from that ivory tower. How many noticed that Macron 'won' with 66.06% and even know that it is a blatant signal that the election was an act and the actual result didn't matter one bit? Very few.

I've said repeatedly that the system maintains its power over the populations by the application of three critical foundations of control: Belief, Money, and Violence. An uprising that brings about any sort of change by Violence is what Surveillance is truly intended to stop. However, their other two foundations are falling apart. People have lost trust in the MSM and Education as their manipulations of Belief are thrown out the window by those who still have some ability to think for themselves. Then lastly, you have Money. Money is their Achilles Heel, and they are doing a bang up job of cutting it all by themselves. We dont need to lift a finger to bring about a total system collapse. The trouble with this method of challenging the Status Quo is the effects will be devastating on everyone, not just those at the top. As long as their exists a Central Bank that controls the issue of nations currency, the system has doomed itself. This may very well be the best thing that can happen in the long run. Hopefully future generations will look closely at how every nation of the world surrendered control of its govt to the whims and machinations of Central Banks, who have far too often been the cause for major conflicts. With this knowledge, we would not have had the wars of the 20th century. Printing Money is what transfers self control of a nation to a Parasitic Ruling Class that always kills its host organism in the end.

Their Endgame is near. This is as close as I can figure that Libertarianism might rise again.

We certainly agree on most points. I do think the Violence part is more of a fear of violence than actual violence. The projection of power instead of actual power iow, though 90% of power is simply the projection of it. I do believe, however, that much of the disintegration of some of the concepts recently (western money, for example) is more a deliberate act by TPTB for other, more long term, purposes. That game is being migrated to the east to start all over again because, as you point out, the host of the last 100 years has been sucked dry. China is literally experiencing the beginning of a near copy of the playbook executed on America 100 years ago. The birth registration process, soon to back their money with physical gold, etc. China will eventually end up in the same boat as America after the bankers own everyone and everything.

 

[AuH20]

"When" is a question that implies that Freedom has a chance. Trouble is that all the surveillance has one true intended purpose which is to absolutely crush dissent before it can even start. As long as this Brave New 1984 surveillance exists, no meaningful changes can be organized by challenging the current Status Quo with Violence. Liberty itself is in Check, but not Checkmate.

I've said repeatedly that the system maintains its power over the populations by the application of three critical foundations of control: Belief, Money, and Violence. An uprising that brings about any sort of change by Violence is what Surveillance is truly intended to stop. However, their other two foundations are falling apart. People have lost trust in the MSM and Education as their manipulations of Belief are thrown out the window by those who still have some ability to think for themselves. Then lastly, you have Money. Money is their Achilles Heel, and they are doing a bang up job of cutting it all by themselves. We dont need to lift a finger to bring about a total system collapse. The trouble with this method of challenging the Status Quo is the effects will be devastating on everyone, not just those at the top. As long as their exists a Central Bank that controls the issue of nations currency, the system has doomed itself. This may very well be the best thing that can happen in the long run. Hopefully future generations will look closely at how every nation of the world surrendered control of its govt to the whims and machinations of Central Banks, who have far too often been the cause for major conflicts. With this knowledge, we would not have had the wars of the 20th century. Printing Money is what transfers self control of a nation to a Parasitic Ruling Class that always kills its host organism in the end.

Their Endgame is near. This is as close as I can figure that Libertarianism might rise again.

They can surveil all they like, but their Achilles heel is still Boobus at the end of the day. Taking care of 300+ million Boobuses or at least creating the illusion that the govt cares is a highly labor intensive job.

The people in the know are aware of the dire predictive modeling in a CSF (Complex System Failure) Event. When the lights go out, all these high tech preemptive systems are useless. Like Mike Tyson famously stated, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

 

[AuH20]

The American Population Summed Up in An Analogy. There is no physical prison, especially in a CSF event. The only prison exists in the mind.

 

[DamianTV]

That's the thing. Violence isn't really an option these days because it gives the state the ability to crank down further and that is what they'd like. I can't say it enough that what TPTB fear the most is people ceasing to consent to their games. Their game meaning things like their created constructs such as fake elections and fake money. All of it is by consent, whether people understand that or want to admit it, or not. Simply opting out and not letting the dictates of the ivory towers affect their daily life and decisions. Most of it is indeed mind control (that is what the word 'govern-ment' means, after all) and faith in imaginary concepts that can be, and are, manipulated on a daily basis.

I mean, look at the french election. Macron was sworn in today and most french people will go along with whatever comes from that ivory tower. How many noticed that Macron 'won' with 66.06% and even know that it is a blatant signal that the election was an act and the actual result didn't matter one bit? Very few.



We certainly agree on most points. I do think the Violence part is more of a fear of violence than actual violence. The projection of power instead of actual power iow, though 90% of power is simply the projection of it. I do believe, however, that much of the disintegration of some of the concepts recently (western money, for example) is more a deliberate act by TPTB for other, more long term, purposes. That game is being migrated to the east to start all over again because, as you point out, the host of the last 100 years has been sucked dry. China is literally experiencing the beginning of a near copy of the playbook executed on America 100 years ago. The birth registration process, soon to back their money with physical gold, etc. China will eventually end up in the same boat as America after the bankers own everyone and everything.

Revolutions typically happen in three stages:
- #1: Spread of Information
- #2: Public Disobedience
- #3: Outbreak of Violence

Most governments actually want violence because they are so good at it that they know exactly how to contain it with pinpoint accuracy.

What they do not know how to do is fend for themselves when their paychecks afforded to them at the expense of Boobus cant even buy a loaf of bread. A good example here is exactly what is happening in Venezuela this very moment. The system collapses under its own weight, but still acts like a Vacuum, where some sort of power that claims to "fix everything" is quickly put into power. Thus, revolutions and systemic collapses do not always yield in positive outcomes for the given populations.

 

[AuH20]

Revolutions typically happen in three stages:
- #1: Spread of Information
- #2: Public Disobedience
- #3: Outbreak of Violence

Most governments actually want violence because they are so good at it that they know exactly how to contain it with pinpoint accuracy.

What they do not know how to do is fend for themselves when their paychecks afforded to them at the expense of Boobus cant even buy a loaf of bread. A good example here is exactly what is happening in Venezuela this very moment. The system collapses under its own weight, but still acts like a Vacuum, where some sort of power that claims to "fix everything" is quickly put into power. Thus, revolutions and systemic collapses do not always yield in positive outcomes for the given populations.

The government wants selective brushfires that it can surgically put it out with it's superior forces and real time monitoring grid. They can concentrate flow on the target and drown out any sort of regional insurrection with ease. The problem gets troublesome for them when the entire herd runs, so to speak. Getting the entire herd to panic is the way to take down Mordor, since the ensuing chaos would be paralyzing. The numbers are simply too overwhelming for any type of realistic contingency plan.

 

[devil21]

Anybody else ever watch LivePD on A&E? It's a display in how people consent to everything the projection of power provides. Cops literally ask for permission for everything but due to fear the proles consent and screw themselves every time.

"Step out [of the car] for me, ok?"

"Do you mind if I take a look?"

"I'm detaining you, you're not under arrest, ok?"

"Where's your ID?" (psst...it's not your ID, it's the state's ID. Act like it. And you volunteered for it by consenting to obtain it.)

etc

It's not that libertarianism isn't popular. It's that people are ignorant and are brainwashed into consenting from birth and to fear the men in the costumes.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's directly contradicted by the facts.

Our problems result from the US government's policies, as enacted by the people native-born Americans have elected over the years.

We did this to ourselves; it wasn't done to us by some nebulous "international consortium of schemers."

Meanwhile, you are here pitching world government.