Legislation: What's your view on smoking bans inside public restaurants?

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Dear Editor,

The News Tribune should be more careful when reporting new studies from the Antismoking Lobby. The article, "Secondhand smoke may be more harmful than thought," reported on what was actually no more than a literature review of old studies and treated it as a new "finding."

One of the most prominent claims in the article, that slight exposure to such smoke damages arteries in nonsmokers, seems to be largely based on a study done by a researcher named Otsuka almost 5 years ago.

In that study extreme nonsmokers, people who avoided smoke in almost all areas of their lives, were first required to sign a warning protocol about "Human Experimentation." They were then thrown into a room where the smoke density was far greater than anything anyone would ever find in a nonsmoking section of a restaurant, even much smokier than one would normally find in a decently ventilated modern bar! The "damage" that was measured was the sort of temporary effect one would normally expect in almost anyone exposed to an unusual and stressful situation and no attempt was made to set up a control test.

When a highly paid advocate, one whose entire career rests upon grants earmarked to promote such things as smoking bans, simply summarizes a bunch of old and often highly criticized studies, the result should not be reported as a "new finding." It is this sort of reportage that gives rise to the oft-repeated belief that there is a "mountain of evidence" indicting secondary smoke as a killer and it is reportage that is more misleading than informing.

The News Tribune may support the idea of a smoking ban in its editorial position, but it should show more responsibility in its reporting and analysis of "new findings" that are really just a rehash of old and largely discredited studies.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
cantiloper . tripod . com


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How long do people really hang out in a public restaurant, maybe a couple hours at the most? I think a smoker can live for a couple hours without a cigarette.
 
How long do people really hang out in a public restaurant, maybe a couple hours at the most? I think a smoker can live for a couple hours without a cigarette.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." ~ Robert A. Heinlein (1907-1988)
 
R. Heinlein is a si fi guy, so it's only fitting that his quote is a little 'out there' too.
Well, let's see, YOU want people CONTROLLED and I have no such desire. :rolleyes:

Yep, that's pretty "out there" all right. < LMAO! >
 
Don't bust a gut over a quote that doesn't make sense.

btw I never said I "wanted people controlled".
Sure you DO, that's WHY you vote AND WHY I don't. ;)

Welcome to the welfare ( for girls )/warfare ( for boys ) NANNY tyrannical Leviathan STATE and global empire! :p

Laissez Faire!!
 
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I am highly allergic to cigarette smoke. That said, a resturante should be able to allow it's patrons to smoke. The should also be able to decide that they only want to serve only Catholics or only Hispanics. As a business owner, it is your property and you should be able to allow/disallow anything you like as long as no one is being harmed involuntarily on your property.

If the smoking ban was lifted, I'd certainly save a lot of money not eating out.
 
I am highly allergic to cigarette smoke. That said, a resturante should be able to allow it's patrons to smoke. The should also be able to decide that they only want to serve only Catholics or only Hispanics. As a business owner, it is your property and you should be able to allow/disallow anything you like as long as no one is being harmed involuntarily on your property.

If the smoking ban was lifted, I'd certainly save a lot of money not eating out.
You AREN'T forced to go in at gunpoint. Start an exclusive restaurant for the "highly allergic" only. :rolleyes:
 
justthink,does a smoking ban enhance or decrease liberty.

if you are a non smoker who does not like cigarette smoke, are you allowed to leave and patronize a different establishment? yes.

if you are a bar or restaurant who wants to cater to smoking clientele and wants to have this in your establishment along with the clientele who is there to have a cigarette and beer after work, can you still accomplish that with a smoking ban?

no.

the smoking ban reduces liberty for all, since the nonsmoker retains the liberty to avoid cigarette smoke in a closed space via freedom of choice, without the ban.
 
as a vocalist who tours in a band 200 days a year and has to breathe in cigarette smoke in bars, yeah, i dont like it. its harder to sing. however, venues with a smoking ban active tend to have a restless audience that has to leave and take smoke breaks, and some people won't go to a venue like that at all, since they do not allow reentry and they will have to go 5 hours without smoking.

the end result of a smoking ban = less merch sales and attendance for me. net result, i prefer the smoke in my face.
 
At first, it appears to be a violation of private property rights. But isn't banning segregated restaurants also a violation of private property rights? What about smoking in public buildings such as the courthouse, etc? What about non-smokers right to freedom from smoke inside public restaurants? I think it's these hairy issues that prevent many of the people from "converting to liberty". What do you think?

Banning smoking on private property owners is a huge imposition of property rights.

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There has been a public smoking ban in California for a long time. It has worked out pretty good. Even smokers tend to have no problem with it. They find that dining without a cloud of smoke is nice. It's also nice not to reak of cigarettes after a night out. What this has also done is created a "smokers club". Since smokers need to go outside or to patios, they all get to know each other. It's quite a social icebreaker.

In practice, there are some bars that still have smoking (illegally, but no one cares). Usually the dive/barfly bars.

Smoking is something that effects those around you (steps on their rights), so it is a dicey subject when it comes to rights. It's a form of pollution, like noise pollution. Do I have the right to take a boombox with me everywhere I go, cranking Metallica up to 11? Certainly some club may play loud music for everyone, but it's not my right everywhere I go.
 
There has been a public smoking ban in California for a long time. It has worked out pretty good. Even smokers tend to have no problem with it. They find that dining without a cloud of smoke is nice. It's also nice not to reak of cigarettes after a night out. What this has also done is created a "smokers club". Since smokers need to go outside or to patios, they all get to know each other. It's quite a social icebreaker.

In practice, there are some bars that still have smoking (illegally, but no one cares). Usually the dive/barfly bars.

Smoking is something that effects those around you (steps on their rights), so it is a dicey subject when it comes to rights. It's a form of pollution, like noise pollution. Do I have the right to take a boombox with me everywhere I go, cranking Metallica up to 11? Certainly some club may play loud music for everyone, but it's not my right everywhere I go.

It seems to me to be a simple concept. Your right to be free from potentially harmful smoke ends at the door of the private establishment you CHOOSE to enter. That you think it has worked out "pretty good" (I'm sure there are plenty who would beg to differ) is beside the point. Neither does your analogy apply in the least. It's much closer to you owning a club and playing loud music in it that can't be heard outside the confines of the building, yet the government says you have to stop because some of the people who voluntarily chose to enter your club prefer it quiet.
 
Banning smoking on private property owners is a huge imposition of property rights.

Although - (shameless plug) I have started a business to profit from the phenomenon

www.libertysmoker.com - an electronic cigarette with no flame, no carcinogens, no tobacco. Just nicotine and vapor.

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