Sola_Fide
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Was Paul speaking the Eternal, unchanging word of God when he wrote Ephesians 6:5-9? "Slaves, submit to your masters..."
Was he right or wrong? And if he was right, does it still apply today?
Since Paul wasn't talking about the kind of slavery you are thinking about, it is not analogous. Paul was not talking about anything like the chattel slavery of African Americans, he was talking about the servitude that people in the Roman world entered into voluntarily as a payment for debts.
Call me a cynic, but that book is full of stuff we KNOW today is not the will or word of God, and was simply written in the cultural context at the time.
Deuteronomy 22:13-29 If your wife said she was a virgin, and you find out her hymen was already broken, you go tell her parents and then we all stone her to death.
1 Corinthians 14:34 Women need to shut up in church. Not a peep.
Deuteronomy 17:1-7 If someone sacrifices an ox or sheep to the Lord and the animal has any imperfection, that person has committed an abomination and they are to be promptly stoned to death.
1 Peter 3:3 Women should not use jewelry, fancy hairdos, or clothing in an attempt to make themselves look beautiful
Leviticus 20:27 Wizards and mediums must be stoned to death
(Leviticus also forbids shaving your face, wearing a cotton/polyester blend, eating shellfish, getting a tattoo, and many many other things.)
Leviticus chapters 1 through 9 are detailed instructions for bloody animal sacrifices.
1 Corinthians 7:27 and Matthew 5:32 Forbid second marriages. (Technically Matthew 5:32 doesn't forbid it but says you're committing adultery if you do it.)
Matthew 5:29 If you can't control your lustful thoughts when looking at women, you need to GOUGE OUT YOUR OWN EYEBALL.
Matthew 6:6 Don't pray in public places
Deuteronomy 23:1 If you lose your penis and/or testicles, you will NOT get into heaven. (Be careful around moving machinery if you work with it.)
Luke 14:26 Hate your own family
I could go on and on... These are just the tip of the iceberg.
The point is, there is so much stuff in the Bible that simply isn't valid today. Or if it is valid, and God really is that screwed up, nobody today cares about most of it. Most people pretend this stuff isn't in there or they find some way to rationalize it away while going bat shit crazy over a few selected passages that somehow ARE still valid today.
So... Was Paul correct when he wrote Romans 13? I'd say there's a fair chance he was wrong.
So you take verses out of context (jesus gouging out your eyeball, hate your family, etc.) and you don't know how to read the Bible as far as what laws expired with the nation of Israel (all of the civil laws you mention). You also don't know what the ceremonial laws were supposed to represent to us for today (all of the "bloody" ceremonial rituals you speak of). So, we're not off to a good start.