What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

[GunnyFreedom]

According to the clip, it sounds to me like they functioned mostly as scouts, and supplied communication, etc. I'm not hearing that they ever provided security or defense. I'm referring to the org. - not individual members who may have decided to join with the militia. They also alluded to what I wrote earlier, that they were responsible for coordinating V.I.P.s arriving on scene, and P.R..

I really think it's necessary to separate fact from fiction here. I'm not going to so easily accept that the OKs deserted, or stole anything, or subverted their own mission statement.

It's only Pete and blackshirt who think they deserted.

 

[Weston White]

It was replaced with an updated version of the same video (added some text)

My posted response to this newest video:

I am failing to comprehend the underlying point of this video. I thought it was to clean up the negative image of Oathkeepers and to provide an overview of the situation from the point of view of Oathkeeper spokespersons? However, so much of this video was spent alienating, belittling, or otherwise challenging, the militia personnel presently at the Bundy Ranch—labeling them as incompetent maniacs, posers, thieves, or wackos.

P.S.

Does Eric Holder even possess the authority to sanction a military action anyplace, let alone inside of a state?

This allegation is a vastly excessive escalation-of-force, from removing their “law” enforcement personnel from one-week to firing missiles the following week.

What is more likely that he authorize a drone-bombing on the Bundy’s ranch or that he authorized covert drone-surveillance along the entire perimeter of the Bundy’s ranch (especially, since their ground-forces were pulled for fear of their own safety)? I would say the latter is likely the case.

Has anybody been watching the zenith angles around the Bundy Ranch for circling drones?

 

[Deborah K]

I don't see anyone being attacked in that,,

I heard some men came to the rescue of a woman that was in distress.
and that only after taking a couple days to get a story out.. I was waiting for the video,, that was promised well over a day before.

and could have been made in ten minutes.

Start it at 14:45 Pete.

 

[phill4paul]

I don't see anyone being attacked in that,,

I heard some men came to the rescue of a woman that was in distress.
and that only after taking a couple days to get a story out.. I was waiting for the video,, that was promised well over a day before.

and could have been made in ten minutes.

14:49 They were in their own CP at that time.

They identify the assaulter as "Jack", one of Jerry's guys.

 

[Deborah K]

My posted response to this newest video:

I am failing to comprehend the underlying point of this video. I thought it was to clean up the negative image of Oathkeepers and to provide an overview of the situation from the point of view of Oathkeeper spokespersons? However, so much of this video was spent alienating, belittling, or otherwise challenging, the militia personnel presently at the Bundy Ranch—labeling them as incompetent maniacs, posers, thieves, or wackos.

P.S.

Does Eric Holder even possess the authority to sanction a military action anyplace, let alone inside of a state?

This allegation is a vastly excessive escalation-of-force, from removing their “law” enforcement personnel from one-week to firing missiles the following week.

What is more likely that he authorize a drone-bombing on the Bundy’s ranch or that he authorized covert drone-surveillance along the entire perimeter of the Bundy’s ranch (especially, since their ground-forces were pulled for fear of their own safety)? I would say the latter is likely the case.

Has anybody been watching the zenith angles around the Bundy Ranch for circling drones?

I mostly disagree with this assessment. You can't really blame them for being highly critical of people who are slandering and physically attacking them.

 

[pcosmar]

Jerry DeLemus: (912 Movement) One of first on scene (April 5th?) and commander.

NO,, He saw the video on the 9th. and left for the ranch. Posted on his wife's FB page on the 11th.. He was on the road.
https://www.facebook.com/susan.delemus/posts/696346523762044?stream_ref=10

My wonderful husband, his best friend and his son have taken to the highway to stand with Cliven Bundy and his family as our Federal Government, in particular the Bureau of Land Management uses force to implement Agenda 21. The Federal Agents are tasering, physically beating people and sending their dogs on men and women who are standing in the gap. This is not the way a government "By The People, For The People" should be acting. I want to thank Don Walker for putting his money where his mouth is and helping put some fuel in the tank of Jerry's truck. It's a long trip, 41 hours. Many people have said to me, "when will we know when to take action?" You now have your answer. When we called Cliven this last Tuesday he told Jerry he could use all the help he can get, essentially. Our Government is physically attacking us, the people who love our country and our Constitution and our freedoms. Communism anyone? If you're not willing to do anything then you might as well sit down and shut up. (Even if your back hurts you can still do something.)

Not first on the scene.. not even close.

 

[Deborah K]

OK. Here are the players just so we can keep it clear. These are gathered form various news articles so I'm not putting any info out that isn't already know.

Jerry DeLemus: (912 Movement) One of first on scene (April 5th?) and commander.

Ryan Payne: (West Mountain Rangers, coordinator with Operation Mutual Aid) Arrived Tuesday, April 8th. (referred to as black shirt)

Stewart Rhodes (OathKeepers) Arrived April 13th

At 16:30 the guy on the far right is claiming he was there watching the stand-off on the hill as requested by David Bundy. He claims Jerry wasn't even there yet.

 

[Deborah K]

Anyone know where that clip is of Stewart interviewing Jerry when he first got there? The one where he (Jerry)cries?

 

[AuH20]

Sounds like people are going after the OKs for simply being OKs. This pettiness is pathetic. And if someone finds out that Payne isn't who he says he is, all hell is going to break out. This will be interesting to monitor.

 

[Weston White]

I mostly disagree with this assessment. You can't really blame them for being highly critical of people who are slandering and physically attacking them.

They want far beyond just being critical of the people there and did not just go after one or two people. Still, they did not need to devolve whatever is going on there into a mudslinging session. Needless, to say it would appear that if the Oathkeepers had not yet worn out their welcome there with the militia, they have now; and perhaps that is really what they wanted all along, a valid excuse to back out.

 

[phill4paul]

Ah, I miscalculated the date. Will correct.

NO,, He saw the video on the 9th. and left for the ranch. Posted on his wife's FB page on the 11th.. He was on the road.
https://www.facebook.com/susan.delemus/posts/696346523762044?stream_ref=10




Not first on the scene.. not even close.

 

[pcosmar]

24:50

Rhodes: "....I'll make no bones about it, that camp was turning into a circus and I wanted my guys out of there."

I heard so much bullshit in that,, I just discounted and dismissed all of it.

If that even happen the way he described, I would have likely beat the shit out of a guy that was accosting a screaming woman too.

 

[Deborah K]

They want far beyond just being critical of the people there and did not just go after one or two people. Still, they did not need to devolve whatever is going on there into a mudslinging session. Needless, to say it would appear that if the Oathkeepers had not yet worn out their welcome there with the militia, they have now; and perhaps that is really what they wanted all along, a valid excuse to back out.

Again, I disagree. Where are you getting that from? They tried to set the record straight with regard to certain events. Granted the guy on the right got indignant, but Rhodes always tried to steer the conversation back to setting the record straight.

 

[Pericles]

Sounds like people are going after the OKs for simply being OKs. This pettiness is pathetic. And if someone finds out that Payne isn't who he says he is, all hell is going to break out. This will be interesting to monitor.

So far, Ppayne does not show up as ever being assigned to the Ranger Regiment (any of the active BNs), and checks are being made to see if he went to Ranger school.

 

[Deborah K]

I heard so much bullshit in that,, I just discounted and dismissed all of it.

If that even happen the way he described, I would have likely beat the shit out of a guy that was accosting a screaming woman too.

What are you talking about? Are you saying an OK beat up a screaming woman?

 

[fr33]

All of us are mostly arguing over he-said she-said BS because we aren't there. Except for VegasPatriot and he seems to be ignored by the guy who already has his mind made up.

 

[pcosmar]

It's only Pete and blackshirt who think they deserted.

Ah, No

I watched the video,, and the collection of militia that was there thought that..

The video had been pulled (and the account deleted by You Tube) by the time I heard of it..
I watched the Mirrored clip,, and then went looking for the OKs side of it,, Yesterday.
Their FB page said they would have a video up in a few minutes,,
19 hours later they pulled that announcement,,(and all the comments) and today they give this version of the story.

Which still does not change the fact that Stewart Rhoades had no business giving orders there,, especially orders not cleared by the scene command.

Someone that understands "Chain of Command" should understand that.

 

[Deborah K]

So far, Ppayne does not show up as ever being assigned to the Ranger Regiment (any of the active BNs), and checks are being made to see if we went to Ranger school.

Go to 17:00 to hear the former psyops guy expose Payne. Says he is no Ranger, and says why.

 

[Tod]

Anyone know where that clip is of Stewart interviewing Jerry when he first got there? The one where he (Jerry)cries?

Here:





Here is another video that I hadn't listened to until tonight, from the militia side:

 

[pcosmar]

What are you talking about? Are you saying an OK beat up a screaming woman?

I am saying,, and that according to what the video said,, They were the reason she was screaming.
They were trying to get her to leave and she did not want to.