What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

[phill4paul]

He ain't a concern. He was involved in the Militia and with Operation Mutual Aid long before this event.

He was involved with the Defense of the Ranch before Oath Keepers even showed up. And in some other Militia Calls (alerts) elsewhere in the past.

And from this.. it may be that the situation has been resolved.

Sounds like the command structure has been restored to an amicable arrangement. Any idea what went on regarding the O.K.'s?

 

[tod evans]

Sounds like the proverbial dick measuring that goes on in any military-type scenario...

 

[pcosmar]

Sounds like the command structure has been restored to an amicable arrangement. Any idea what went on regarding the O.K.'s?

I have some ideas.. but it would be speculation on my part.

I will say that I appreciate the Oath Keepers stated mission.. however,, they have always avoided any and all integration or cooperation with the Militia. And have in the past pissed on the militia.

Oath Keepers are NOT the Militia. And while I appreciate them supporting the Bundys,, they should stay out of the way.

Some of these guys are LE who actively hunt and arrest Militia.

 

[MelissaCato]

I have some ideas.. but it would be speculation on my part.

I will say that I appreciate the Oath Keepers stated mission.. however,, they have always avoided any and all integration or cooperation with the Militia.

Oath Keepers are NOT the Militia. And while I appreciate them supporting the Bundys,, they should stay out of the way.

Maybe so, but, OathKeeper presence is an eye opener for all active duty and retired police, military and firefighters. A simple OathKeeper mention and presence at the Bundy Ranch via headlines - was all that was needed for continued public awareness. In my opinion. It worked for Ron Paul.

It's unfortunate the current tactic (same tactic as with Ron Paul) to dissolve said awareness is happening.

 

[pcosmar]

Maybe so, but, OathKeeper presence is an eye opener for all active duty and retired police, military and firefighters. A simple OathKeeper mention and presence at the Bundy Ranch via headlines - was all that was needed for continued public awareness. In my opinion. It worked for Ron Paul.

It's unfortunate the current tactic (same tactic as with Ron Paul) to dissolve said awareness is happening.

Well then they should stick to PR..
Make some videos,, and inform. Even help with some material support of the Militia Men that were there before them.
But they should get out of the way of Defense and Security.

Oath Keepers are trying to educate LE.. The Militia Is defending against the threat from them.

 

[ctiger2]

The Fed's are definitely trying to infiltrate if they haven't done so already. They'll get 3-5 feds in there and then make a peaceful arrest.

 

[pcosmar]

The Fed's are definitely trying to infiltrate if they haven't done so already. They'll get 3-5 feds in there and then make a peaceful arrest.

NO,, they won't. It will not be a peaceful arrest if they have a dozen or a hundred.

Cliven has said that if the county Sheriff arrests him he would submit to the arrest. The Sheriff has neither Balls nor Deathwish,, so that ain't happening.

 

[pcosmar]

Sounds like the command structure has been restored to an amicable arrangement. Any idea what went on regarding the O.K.'s?

Well I just saw the Video,, so I have a little better Idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZV6kQdGab0#t=333

BTW,, for those wondering,, the Guy in the Black shirt is one of the original organizers of the Militia,, and has been coordinating the Militia since before that standoff and long before the OK said even one word on the subject.

He was there days before the confrontation. He ain't the one stirring shit.

 

[dannno]

Yes is has,,
Can anyone tell me what was in it? I have heard several bits of things from several places.. But cannot verify all.

Seems there is an issue with conflicting leadership.

And while I appreciate the Oath Keepers showing up,, They are not Militia.. They have distanced themselves from Militia in the past.. And have conflicted with the Militia on this scene.
Oath Keepers are educational and political.. And the LE side has a serious conflict of interests at times.

Folks (from reports I have heard) Have been run off..

The militia was on this scene before the Oath Keepers showed up. It is not their show.

That's really too bad I hope you're able to watch the video, I would really like to hear your opinion on that guy in the black shirt. (edit: NM just saw your post above)

Just because it isn't the oathkeepers 'show' doesn't mean they should kick out volunteers who are there to help, imo. It sounds like the oathkeepers on occasion go out to Mesquite (probably <10 minutes away) and hit up the showers in a hotel room, maybe do a little gambling and drinking. The militia guys were upset cause they are treating it like a military top-down with orders, patrol watches, etc. and a lot of these guys are working 12+ hours a day and they felt like the oathkeepers were slacking off.

Now, as a secondary point, which I don't have much info on but heard mumblings about in the video, I think at this point they are possibly being accused leaving to Mesquite when they thought there might be a drone strike on the property, and that was considered desertion?

 

[pcosmar]

Now, as a secondary point, which I don't have much info on but heard mumblings about in the video, I think at this point they are possibly being accused leaving to Mesquite when they thought there might be a drone strike on the property, and that was considered desertion?

Yes it was.. Rhodes gave the order for OKers to bug out Leaving the Ranch without defense rather than to dig in and prepare.

And that was what the meeting was about.
http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=828

Now, some have suggested that this controversy between militia and Oath Keepers has caused division in the patriot community. I am inclined to see this in a different light, in that, in these times, we must separate the voices from the action; Those who will stand, and those who will not; those who are true patriots, and those who only mouth those words.

Epilogue: Yesterday, the militia command structure, which is a shared command rather than top down, held a Coalition meeting to provide insight into why Oath Keepers, with the exception of those few who stood their ground like real patriots, were deemed persona non grata, by those who still stand their ground, and truly honor their oaths. Coalition Meeting of April 28 – caution, language.

 

[steph3n]

seems like a lot of dick swinging.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So the guy that was organixzing militias and on the ground organizing the defense against the Feds is a plant..

But the guys who showed up after to mug for the cameras aren't.

Do a Google search..( Ryan Payne mutual aid). In fact you will see his name mentioned with other Militia calls over a year before this.

You will see his name mentioned at the very beginning,, before Oath Keepers were even involved,, in fact he was calling for them and others support.
Before the standoff. After the standoff the Oath Keepers have taken the stage..

But they were not the 500 Rifles that backed the feds off.

Considering I know Stuart Rhodes personally, and I know he is nothing like these people are describing, then I would have to say "yes," I don't care if blackshirt has been a family friend for 30 years, he is doing the jackboots work here.

 

[donnay]

Considering I know Stuart Rhodes personally, and I know he is nothing like these people are describing, then I would have to say "yes," I don't care if blackshirt has been a family friend for 30 years, he is doing the jackboots work here.

Just by my observation I think the guy in the black shirt thinks he is something. Stuart personally helped my family in the middle of a crisis and I have nothing but the utmost respect for him.

 

[pcosmar]

Considering I know Stuart Rhodes personally, and I know he is nothing like these people are describing, then I would have to say "yes," I don't care if blackshirt has been a family friend for 30 years, he is doing the jackboots work here.

Still waiting for his spin on it.. which was promised over 18 hours ago.

But he had his folks BUG OUT in the face of a credible threat of an attack. And some folks see that as,,,highly questionable.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/DRONESTRIKEALERT.mp3

 

[muzzled dogg]

Impatiently waiting to hear from sr

 

[Deborah K]

Considering I know Stuart Rhodes personally, and I know he is nothing like these people are describing, then I would have to say "yes," I don't care if blackshirt has been a family friend for 30 years, he is doing the jackboots work here.

I know him as well, through events I've organized that he has spoken at. Let's not forget he used to work for Dr. Paul too. Stewart is good people. I intend to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.

 

[steph3n]

Still waiting for his spin on it.. which was promised over 18 hours ago.

But he had his folks BUG OUT in the face of a credible threat of an attack. And some folks see that as,,,highly questionable.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/DRONESTRIKEALERT.mp3

It depends on their responsibilities back home. One has to weigh their family and other sources around if such should go down. Hard to question it IMO, family and responsibility first. It is simple risk management, if that isn't welcome there then they need only people with no responsibilities outside to stay. Some can do a lot more from the outside, and should not be besmirched for it.

Far to many liberty types take the same extreme stance as those they despise so much (Like Bush) on the 'you are with us OR against us and nothing between' the attitude is dangerous and immature. Just as shown here, it also causes unnecessary drama, which some people live for/to see daily.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Still waiting for his spin on it.. which was promised over 18 hours ago.

But he had his folks BUG OUT in the face of a credible threat of an attack. And some folks see that as,,,highly questionable.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/DRONESTRIKEALERT.mp3

There are a lot of things I've thought stupid on both sides. Leaving like that will be one of them. Most all of them should have left shortly after events but stayed close enough to respond if they resurrected it. Clustering around the ranch like that was tactically stupid. Whether Rhodes's motivation was strategic, or stupid, it ended up with the wrong action taken at the wrong time. That's really as much as can be said of it. This guy in the black shirt trying to divide everyone against each other, however, makes Rhodes's stupidity look like amateur hour.

 

[pcosmar]

It depends on their responsibilities back home.

OK,,
But to those who remained and were preparing to defend the ranch it was viewed as desertion in the face of a threat.

Which was what was discussed in the video.

 

[pcosmar]

There are a lot of things I've thought stupid on both sides. Leaving like that will be one of them. Most all of them should have left shortly after events but stayed close enough to respond if they resurrected it. Clustering around the ranch like that was tactically stupid. Whether Rhodes's motivation was strategic, or stupid, it ended up with the wrong action taken at the wrong time. That's really as much as can be said of it. This guy in the black shirt trying to divide everyone against each other, however, makes Rhodes's stupidity look like amateur hour.

That Guy was the "Leadership"(or one of) long before Rhoades even got in his car and headed that way.

The defense of the Ranch was not done by the Oat Keepers or Stuart Rhoades.

He didn't even show up till the confrontation was over.