What was the alternative to what the police did in Boston?

[Origanalist]

What do you suppose your heroes did do right? They didn't prevent the bombing. They slaughtered the first guy. They didn't even catch the second guy, some mundane did while wandering around his back yard. Not exactly an efficient operation.

With how many? 9,000? 10,000?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The difference is that in this case there was the possibility of there being a larger plot.

So the "possibility" of something bigger happening completely justifies tyrannical martial law, in your opinion? Since when does a police state protect against terrorist attacks? The mere chance of there being another attack does not justify doing away with rights time after time until we have nothing left just so we can MAYBE stop a terrorist attack that is MAYBE going to happen with our forces that are MAYBE more effective than any other search or manhunt. The idea that relinquishing liberty to a tyrannical government ever increases your security is questionable at best. A society that ever expects to keeps its sanity and its freedoms cannot have a bunch of exceptions allowing complete martial law to rule supreme whenever an attack is merely suspected. Besides, what did you think they were going to do with the guy after they caught him to prevent another attack? Send him straight to the torture chambers without a trial?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

So apparently you think what happened in this one day in Boston for eight hours means that we'll now have martial law throughout the entire United States every single day for the rest of our lives?

Do you understand the concept of creeping authoritarianism? Exceptions to rights ALWAYS gives way to more government control and power.

 

[Dogsoldier]

Anybody see this?[video]http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/PODZaaMTwfg.html[/video]

Glen Beck claiming he has proof the federal government carried out the boston marathon bombing as a false flag opperation. He said that Obama has till monday to admit it or his show will reveal the evidence for his conspiracy theory!

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Again, what evidence do you have that there were warrantless searches? Everything I've read has stated that the police asked permission before they entered different homes.

Even if they did, the whole idea that we need a militarized police force going door to door with the authority to shoot anyone on sight that they suspect is an egregious affront to our liberties. Our tax dollars are paying for an army occupation running up a huge budget when all that's really needed is to allow people to defend themselves and use common sense techniques for catching a criminal that don't violate people's rights. If you think that paramilitary troops roaming the streets was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, then there's no help for you.

 

[TER]

So the "possibility" of something bigger happening completely justifies tyrannical martial law, in your opinion? Since when does a police state protect against terrorist attacks? The mere chance of there being another attack does not justify doing away with rights time after time until we have nothing left just so we can MAYBE stop a terrorist attack that is MAYBE going to happen with our forces that are MAYBE more effective than any other search or manhunt. The idea that relinquishing liberty to a tyrannical government ever increases your security is questionable at best. A society that ever expects to keeps its sanity and its freedoms cannot have a bunch of exceptions allowing complete martial law to rule supreme whenever an attack is merely suspected. Besides, what did you think they were going to do with the guy after they caught him to prevent another attack? Send him straight to the torture chambers without a trial?

The problem is that if this suspect ended up killing many more, then the cry on the news would be that not enough was done about it. In fact, we might have been facing now report after report of TV interviews with people holding their flags and saying that video cameras need to be on every block of America and the time for increased surveillance is finally upon us.

The mainstream news, as long as it is the dominating news is powerful in forming opinion and fomenting reactionary feelings in line with the agenda of those who benefit from corruption and deception. With that being so, increased surveillance works both ways, even though the one who holds the information is the one who controls the information. This is why internet freedom is such an important topic and may be one of the defining topics of our day.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

What does "lockdown" mean to you?

What I'm concerned about is that we are using taxpayer money to fund tanks and paramilitary personnel roaming the streets as if this was some kind of war zone. What's more, these guys are authorized to do a whole lot more than they actually did, and that is the real danger here. We have people intimidated by our government, and that should never be the case. Having the wits and common sense to catch a criminal the old fashioned way instead of having a bunch of licensed killers lining up in the streets on taxpayer money just looking for an excuse to violate someone's rights, which you know they would have if they had been given the opportunity. This is the very essence of a standing army, which is what Jefferson warned against.

 

[anaconda]

What was the alternative to the Gestapo in the 30's & 40's? What is the alternative to false flags?

Eliminating the Achilles heels of the state would go far to restoring liberty. Usual suspects: 16th Amendment. Federal Reserve Act. Commodity backed currency. These things would remove the fertile breeding ground for corruption, theft, and power grabs.

 

[TheTexan]

So apparently you think what happened in this one day in Boston for eight hours means that we'll now have martial law throughout the entire United States every single day for the rest of our lives?

That was 8 hours more than was previously thought acceptable

 

[TheTexan]

Amend the constitution to prohibit the federal government from raising an army, and leave this to the states.

And amend the constitution to prohibit any police force from having anything citizens cannot have

 

[parocks]

It was an extraoridinary situation because it was only the 2nd terrorist attack on our soil in our country's history. It's not something that happens every day.

what? are you talking about something a long time ago? Bill Ayres was a bomber for the Weathermen, became a friend of Obama's. OKC bombing, WTC bombing, Atlanta Olympic Bombing, and never before has anything like this taken place.

 

[Shane Harris]

And that's relevant because.....? So if Adam Lanza had gotten away after killing doesn't this kind of action wouldn't have been justified because it was an "ordinary mass shooting?" Really, the idea of treating a multiple murder "different" because the perps may have had foreign terror connections is asinine.

agreed

 

[Shane Harris]

Do you not understand that this guy needed to be caught right away when there was the possibility of a larger plot beyond the attack that had already occurred?

Why wouldn't they want to catch a serial killer right away? They always know with more certainty than terrorism that a serial killer will almost definitely kill someone else, as opposed to maybeee the "terrorists" were planning something even larger and thats why they decided to show their hand and do a little bomb just to get everyone's attention (makes no sense whatsoever)

 

[Shane Harris]

It makes me sick how much America(ns) (Boobus) secretly loves this stuff. It's a spectator sport. Its something to watch on TV and cheer for. Everyone so obviously loves the drama and God knows its like a damned movie. AMERICANS EAT THIS SHIT UP. Then it gives them an excuse to form street mobs and celebrate with their flags and songs and chants and collectivism, which is, after all so much easier to be a part of than having to worry about their own pathetic individual selves and their meaningless day to day lives. It makes me sick how everyone feels so excited to witness terrible things because then it gives them something to talk about, something they can have a regurgitated opinion on at the water-cooler, some distraction to make them feel special for somehow being a part of, even if that just means they can tell their grandchildren that they watched it on TV. Americans just want to be storytellers and feel like they lived during something important, which will somehow make them important or give temporary meaning to their lives. Ugh. I hate Boobus almost as much as I hate the State that manipulates him.

 

[idiom]

It was an extraoridinary situation because it was only the 2nd terrorist attack on our soil in our country's history. It's not something that happens every day.

Is 2 simply as high as you can count, or do you mean in the past 2 weeks?

The Weather Underground, which was a large conspiracy, was never caught. Life went on.

 

[tod evans]

Throughout this whole thread there seems to be acceptance of groups of government employees in body armor, armed to the teeth running around on the street.

Arguing whether or not these groups had permission to enter a residence or to close businesses is a moot point.

These are soldiers on our soil!

The acceptance of SWAT or whatever acronym you choose flies in the face of the moral fiber this country was founded on!

Justifying militarized patrols by declaring "wars" on people, things or even ideas absolutely sickens me.

Public acceptance of these bands of soldiers has been confirmed with this specific instance whether or not anybody sees it, most folks convinced themselves that these soldiers, these mercenaries, were doing the public a service as they attacked "drug-dealers" or bank-robbers in isolated skirmishes...Things have escalated! Now instead of using soldiers to attack an individual or even a group, Boston has very loudly proclaimed that they believe it's okay to use soldiers to search for people accused of a crime.

Well the reason I posted the picture of a bootlicker is because of the blind adulation expressed on "The-Newz" as well as by some of the folks right here..........And quite frankly it's sad.

Are people really so far gone that they're able to accept this, let alone applaud it?

 

[jmdrake]

No, I didn't see that. That runs counter to what WormyGuy said.

There are two possible reasons for this inconsistency.

1) Police interpreted the order differently. You have police abusing power under normal circumstances so of course this would happen.

2) Sometimes things are selectively enforced as to not create a backlash. Look at the TSA! Look at all the people who can honestly say "I've flown X number of times and never been patted down." That paints the illusion that the tyranny is "not so bad" and "there must be something wrong with the other guy and that's why he got patted down."

 

[jmdrake]

Is 2 simply as high as you can count, or do you mean in the past 2 weeks?

The Weather Underground, which was a large conspiracy, was never caught. Life went on.

You don't understand. The Weather Underground were not Islamists. I've heard this mantra on right wingnut radio more times than I care to count. "All Islamists are not terrorists but all terrorists are Islamists." Therefore communists can't be terrorists. Focus on the enemy!

 

[Brett85]

Even if they did, the whole idea that we need a militarized police force going door to door with the authority to shoot anyone on sight that they suspect is an egregious affront to our liberties. Our tax dollars are paying for an army occupation running up a huge budget when all that's really needed is to allow people to defend themselves and use common sense techniques for catching a criminal that don't violate people's rights. If you think that paramilitary troops roaming the streets was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, then there's no help for you.

So what was your alternative? Just tell the police to go home and not do anything to catch this guy? It just seems like you guys will take the side of the criminals over the police in all of these situations.

 

[Brett85]

It makes me sick how everyone feels so excited to witness terrible things because then it gives them something to talk about.

I get it. It was a "terrible thing" that the police caught the suspected terrorist, but the bomb itself that was set off wasn't a terrible thing, or was actually set off by the government itself. According to some of you there are no such thing as criminals and bad people in this world, except those who work for the government. Every citizen who doesn't work for the government is just some perfect angel who isn't capable of ever doing anything wrong.