what the hell is going on in DUBAI??????

I'd pick personal freedom over financial freedom (granted they often go hand in hand.) Dubai may have financial freedom, but little personal freedom. I'd rather pay taxes and not have to worry about going to jail for kissing in public--although I still dream of a place where both personal and financial freedom reign. Dubai isn't my idea of a paradise.

A British woman just got a one month jail sentence for kissing a guy in public (they say it was a peck on the cheek, a witness says it was "passionate")
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-Najafi-facing-jail-kiss.html#ixzz0iFgT4od9
 
A British woman just got a one month jail sentence for kissing a guy in public (they say it was a peck on the cheek, a witness says it was "passionate")
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-Najafi-facing-jail-kiss.html#ixzz0iFgT4od9

I'm writing from Dubai, and I've lived here all my life. Fears and worries about "personal freedom" here are grossly exaggerated.

The authorities here have a zero-tolerance policy towards public drunkenness. The case you cited was taken very seriously not because of the kissing but because of the drunkenness.

So long you do it in the privacy of your own home, no one will bother you. Hell, I've seen people "passionately kissing" in malls, and no one bothered them (they got some dirty looks, though).

Just make sure you're not stupid enough to have public drunken sex on a family beach, or engage in a drunken make out session next to a family in a restaurant.

But in response to your comment, I'd rather be somewhere where I have to do all my making out indoors than somewhere where the government steals my money.


Iyad
 
You know in the UAE upon retirement you are required to move back to your home country.

I'd say this is inaccurate. You just have to switch to the right type of visa.

There are two types of long-term visas, one is as an employee and the other is as an investor (company owner or partner).

Once people reach retirement (65 years), many register a company (really "on paper", they just have to get the license and stuff), and that's it. Visa problems solved.

Of course for an American citizen this is moot, since they are allowed visa-free entry into the UAE, regardless of age.


Iyad
 
Um, I was under the impression that Dubai went bankrupt during late 2009 ???

A subsidiary of a government-owned company asked for a standstill agreement to reschedule its loans. It amounts to a default, but definitely not "bankruptcy".

The creditors (mostly UK banks) were pissed off because Dubai's government refused to bail out the failing company, and pointed out that the loans weren't government guaranteed to begin with.

The UK press retaliated by claiming that "Dubai is sinking back into the desert sands", and all that.

Peter Schiff wrote a good commentary on this. Bankruptcies that happened in the US and Europe are much bigger (and worse) than what happened here.


Iyad
 
I'm writing from Dubai, and I've lived here all my life. Fears and worries about "personal freedom" here are grossly exaggerated.

The authorities here have a zero-tolerance policy towards public drunkenness. The case you cited was taken very seriously not because of the kissing but because of the drunkenness.

So long you do it in the privacy of your own home, no one will bother you. Hell, I've seen people "passionately kissing" in malls, and no one bothered them (they got some dirty looks, though).

Just make sure you're not stupid enough to have public drunken sex on a family beach, or engage in a drunken make out session next to a family in a restaurant.

But in response to your comment, I'd rather be somewhere where I have to do all my making out indoors than somewhere where the government steals my money.


Iyad

Hey man,

I go door-knocking to invite people to church. If I were to knock on people's doors in Dubai to invite them to a Christian church would I get arrested? Would I be allowed to even have a Christian church in Dubai? If I was walking through a mall with a shirt that said "Jesus Saves" would I get in trouble?
 
Sounds like a good place to work:

"Dubai's building boom has been made possible by some 500,000 migrant construction workers, most from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Many work 12 hours a day, six days a week, in extremely hot temperatures that have led to illness and, in some cases, death. The workers live in crowded camps, with eight or more men sharing one small room.

In the Human Rights Watch report, called "Building Towers, Cheating Workers," researchers say that the average migrant worker receives a salary of about $175 a month. There is no minimum wage in Dubai, and some workers make as little as $8 a day.

Through extensive interviews, Human Rights Watch researchers found that employers in Dubai routinely abuse workers by withholding their wages for their first two months, along with their passports as "security" to keep them from quitting.

But the migrant workers have little freedom to quit since many have borrowed thousands of dollars to get the jobs to begin with, paying "recruiters" visa and travel fees, which under U.A.E. law should be paid by the employers, not the construction workers.

When workers arrive in Dubai, the construction jobs sometimes pay less than the recruiters originally promised. Desperate to repay their loans, the workers in those cases are trapped. And under U.A.E. law, it is illegal to switch jobs without permission from your employer. Unions are illegal, and striking workers have been deported.

"They are living in fear and in extreme anxiety," said Sarah Leah Whitson of Human Rights Watch, adding that some workers, feeling hopeless, have even committed suicide."

Congrats Danke, way back in 2008, you were the first to 'sober up' this thread a bit. Dubai, is a huge bankrupt mess now.
 
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I go door-knocking to invite people to church. If I were to knock on people's doors in Dubai to invite them to a Christian church would I get arrested? Would I be allowed to even have a Christian church in Dubai? If I was walking through a mall with a shirt that said "Jesus Saves" would I get in trouble?

Hey dude,

Follow this link for a list of Christian churches in Dubai. (It doesn't list all churches, only ones that have a website. I think there's a link there for other churches as well).

No one will bother you for that t-shirt, I'm pretty sure.

As for door-to-door evangelizing, lemme handle the "door to door" part first. Door-to-door anything will get you in trouble. A big part of the culture here is respecting the privacy of people's homes. People are generally very protective about that.

Even Muslims going door to door asking for donations for a mosque in Pakistan or school in Nigeria sometimes get arrested. They'll be asked to collect donations only at mosques, not at homes (after obtaining a permit of course).

As for the evangelizing bit, you are not allowed to evangelize Muslims. I know that a lot of Christians do a lot of evangelizing to other Christians, though (most Christians here are from India or the Philippines).

Generally, don't expect to move to another country and then conduct your life exactly as you did back home. Authorities are pretty tolerant so long you show that you respect local customs.


Iyad
 
Hey dude,

Follow this link for a list of Christian churches in Dubai. (It doesn't list all churches, only ones that have a website. I think there's a link there for other churches as well).

No one will bother you for that t-shirt, I'm pretty sure.

As for door-to-door evangelizing, lemme handle the "door to door" part first. Door-to-door anything will get you in trouble. A big part of the culture here is respecting the privacy of people's homes. People are generally very protective about that.

Even Muslims going door to door asking for donations for a mosque in Pakistan or school in Nigeria sometimes get arrested. They'll be asked to collect donations only at mosques, not at homes (after obtaining a permit of course).

As for the evangelizing bit, you are not allowed to evangelize Muslims. I know that a lot of Christians do a lot of evangelizing to other Christians, though (most Christians here are from India or the Philippines).

Generally, don't expect to move to another country and then conduct your life exactly as you did back home. Authorities are pretty tolerant so long you show that you respect local customs.


Iyad


I guess my biggest concern is that I'm not going to hide my religion. I'm not a Sunday-only Christian. So I could respect Dubai's respect for a person's castle, and not go door-knocking. But when I'm out and about in public and engage in conversations with strangers (for example, while sitting on the metro), I'm going to want to mention Jesus. Does this mean that I could get in trouble for "evangelizing a muslim?"
 
But when I'm out and about in public and engage in conversations with strangers (for example, while sitting on the metro), I'm going to want to mention Jesus. Does this mean that I could get in trouble for "evangelizing a Muslim?"

If it's as you have described - a friendly discussion on the bus or the metro - then I really don't think you'll get into any trouble. Most people will see this as chit-chat, with the topic of religion coming up. I'd say many would actually enjoy such a conversation, if you're respectful and friendly.

Of course you gotta be careful who you want to engage in such a conversation. It's just common sense. Talking to an Indian or a Filipino on the bus is one thing, talking to an Emarati young woman is another!

Most people, including myself, would be immediately put off if they feel you are trying to "convert" them, but would quite interested if you engage them in a discussion or conversation about religion.

What would get you into trouble is pushy proselytizing - going door to door, unsolicited phone calls, mailers, passing out brochures, etc. The official policy on this would be - do it at your church, don't disturb others.


Iyad
 
Sounds like a good place to work:

"Dubai's building boom has been made possible by some 500,000 migrant construction workers, most from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Many work 12 hours a day, six days a week, in extremely hot temperatures that have led to illness and, in some cases, death. The workers live in crowded camps, with eight or more men sharing one small room.

In the Human Rights Watch report, called "Building Towers, Cheating Workers," researchers say that the average migrant worker receives a salary of about $175 a month. There is no minimum wage in Dubai, and some workers make as little as $8 a day.

Through extensive interviews, Human Rights Watch researchers found that employers in Dubai routinely abuse workers by withholding their wages for their first two months, along with their passports as "security" to keep them from quitting.

But the migrant workers have little freedom to quit since many have borrowed thousands of dollars to get the jobs to begin with, paying "recruiters" visa and travel fees, which under U.A.E. law should be paid by the employers, not the construction workers.

When workers arrive in Dubai, the construction jobs sometimes pay less than the recruiters originally promised. Desperate to repay their loans, the workers in those cases are trapped. And under U.A.E. law, it is illegal to switch jobs without permission from your employer. Unions are illegal, and striking workers have been deported.

"They are living in fear and in extreme anxiety," said Sarah Leah Whitson of Human Rights Watch, adding that some workers, feeling hopeless, have even committed suicide."

Sounds like the egyptian pyramids. And Halliburton HQ is there to boot. There's a Babylon if I ever saw one.
 
Is Dubai the place where they arrested and jailed a guy who had a poppy seed stuck to the bottom of his shoe because it was drug related and they have some dumb no-tolerance policy?
 
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