What should Ron Paul do now? - Poll

[MMolloy]

I've always supported the idea of an independent run, but it's very unlikely at this point. Not impossible, but unlikely. After all, the avenue to a third party run of some sort is still not entirely closed: Dr. Paul could take Bob Barr as VP and use the Libertarian Party, while Chuck Baldwin would also likely step aside for him. Having Ron Paul on the ballot in November is the only thing that can keep this movement solidly unified.

Otherwise, we will have a lot more work to do to keep a semblance of it together. The ideas are generally the same among all of us--it's the methods that are causing divergence. Barr, Baldwin, Obama; bolster an existing third party, found a new one, or stay in the GOP...these are the disagreements we face. And as this interesting poll shows, we're chopped up pretty well.

In lieu of no Dr. Paul in November, I just hope we figure out some way to keep this thing together. I think we can, as long as it doesn't get nasty between the would-be Paulite factions. Though Ron Paul himself issuing some marching orders, or at least big hints about where to go next would help...

By the way, the same page with the poll mentions a major announcement from Ron Paul due next week. Anyone know if this is true?

I'll say again... that poll is not a reflection of RP supporters.
And I don't need anyone to give me marching orders... I'll be at the convention in MN and if Ron's not on the ballot in November and he doesn't coordinate a write-in then I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin.

 

[haigh]

Trend Reversal

In fact I'm switching to Dem & voting for O'bama, just to hasten the collapse of the US.

Bingo. We know from the last century that one way to get a trend reversal is to go bankrupt. With time our most precious asset, Obama gets us to trend reversal the fastest.

He is also the candidate most likely to create the next big wave of voters disillusioned with government as a solution to any problem. He'll enter the White House burdened with high and unrealistic expectations, and then do what government always does, screw up.

I won't be so cynical with my vote but I agree with the logic.

 

[AJ Antimony]

What the heck? THAT many people want him to endorse Obama?

We have half-sheep Ron Paul supporters. These half sheep people are those who have a mind open enough to like Paul and his ideas, but closed enough to buy into Obama's anti-war bullshit and the whole 'have to support a winner' bullshit.

Basically they'd vote Paul over Obama, but since Obama is 'the winner' who everyone loves, they go and support him.

 

[pacelli]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

Many people on these forums in the past exposed themselves to being Obama shills and were banned because of it.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

We have half-sheep Ron Paul supporters. These half sheep people are those who have a mind open enough to like Paul and his ideas, but closed enough to buy into Obama's anti-war bullshit and the whole 'have to support a winner' bullshit.

Basically they'd vote Paul over Obama, but since Obama is 'the winner' who everyone loves, they go and support him.

Personally, I think they're so drawn to Obama because there won't be any Paul in November, barring an independent run. Most of them don't know who the hell Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin are. And another segment, even if they knew, wouldn't go for them since Barr was ousted from office (and has more than a few problems in his voting record) and because Baldwin has no experience.

Like it or not, Ron Paul has impressed so many people--especially those 25 and older--not just because of his ideas, but because he has the experience and solid record to back it up. Without Paul, Obama is viewed as a natural "lesser of two evils" for a chunk of our fair weather and older supporters.

 

[ronpaul.republican]

Originally Posted by Kade




If Ron's out of the race... Why are there still so many TROLLS here?

I don't know, fuckwad. You tell me.

 

[ronpaul.republican]

Bingo. We know from the last century that one way to get a trend reversal is to go bankrupt. With time our most precious asset, Obama gets us to trend reversal the fastest.

He is also the candidate most likely to create the next big wave of voters disillusioned with government as a solution to any problem. He'll enter the White House burdened with high and unrealistic expectations, and then do what government always does, screw up.

I won't be so cynical with my vote but I agree with the logic.

Thank you for being capable of understanding. I was starting to believe this place was infested with nothing but morons. Now I see there is at least one logical person here.

Not surprising you talk in terms of trading. You do forex?

 

[Kamran1980]

Drop out and endorse NWO puppet Obama?

Hhahahahaahahahahha, what a JOKE

 

[rprprs]

I'm a realist.

I like the market economy. I hate corporate bailouts and subsidies.
I tolerate social programs because a wealthy nation can afford them, but I prefer strong limitations.

My position is not extreme.

The total U.S. federal debt is approximately $9.5 trillion. If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total in excess of $59 trillion.

My question: Do we qualify as a wealthy nation?

 

[Thomas Paine]

...and Barack Hussein Obama is promising even more expensive government programs. No thanks!

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Ron Paul should run for the US Senate seat that Texas NEOCON/Nazi US Senator John Cornyn.

He's up for re-election. We know Ron can take Houston and Austin metro areas... just how much election tampering Cornyn and his Cronies would do with Big Business and corporate media is the question.

 

[Thomas Paine]

When is Cornyn up for re-election?

 

[Kade]

The total U.S. federal debt is approximately $9.5 trillion. If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total in excess of $59 trillion.

My question: Do we qualify as a wealthy nation?

No, we don't. The debate should be on what caused that debt....

Also, Social Security is a failed insurance plan, not an entitlement program... something few here seem to grasp.

 

[YoungPatriot]

What should Ron Paul do now???

He should start campaigning for 2012 now! And we should keep funding his campaign. Ron Paul is the only real candidate. His campaign was funded by the people. We the people of the United States of America funded this campaign. We the people of the United States of America want Ron Paul to be the president. I still have my Ron Paul sign up in my front yard and its not coming down. My entire street and everyone that drives down it is going to get it one day. Ill campaign for Ron Paul for the next 4 years. Ron Paul has gotten me so excited about politics and my boyfriend is a political science major. Political science makes you so depressed and pisses you off, but Ron Paul has given me hope. And we should keep backing him... The last thing we should do is give in and give up. This movement has to keep going. I heard an interview yesterday about how the tri-latteral commision(Bilderberg) isnt worried about Ron Paul running for president, what worries them is the movement he's built. If it just dies out, they win. We can't let them win.

Keep spreading the word! Keep marching! Keep fighting the good fight!

 

[BlufftonTiger]

why the hell would people even consider endorsing obama a possibility

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.

The cost of Obama’s socialized programs pale in comparison to what we spend for the war in Iraq. What’s even better is that they don’t come at the expense of American lives.

FYI, I will never vote for Obama, but if Paul's not on a ticket, I might have to vote for Barr.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.

And then get sent to pakistan and afghanistan.

 

[YoungPatriot]

Just like a vote for Paul, a vote for Obama = Troops Come Home.

The cost of Obama’s socialized programs pale in comparison to what we spend for the war in Iraq. What’s even better is that they don’t come at the expense of American lives.

FYI, I will never vote for Obama, but if Paul's not on a ticket, I might have to vote for Barr.

How do you know Obama = Troops come home? He has been supporting the funding of the war, even though he says he's against the war. See, the president can take the troops to war without the approval of congress, its illegal, but he can still do it. The only thing congress can do about it is to stop giving him funding. Ron Paul never votes for funding this war.

 

[AzNsOuLjAh27]

What should Ron Paul do now?

Major poll at http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-06-06/poll-what-should-ron-paul-do-now/

Results so far:

# Stay in the Republican race and continue efforts to take back the GOP (92)
# Launch a new Presidential campaign as an independent or third party candidate (87)
# Drop out and endorse John McCain (1)
# Drop out and endorse Bob Barr (13)
# Drop out and endorse Chuck Baldwin (1)
# Drop out and endorse Barack Obama (70)
# Other (2)

You are retarded, go away.

McCain is fucking insane and wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years
Bob Bar voted for the patriot act
Baldwin is too damn religious
Osama Hussien is going invade Iran, while enforcing a Carbon Tax
Other: Do not drop out, and continue campaigning until he gets more recognition

 

[FindLiberty]

Divide et impera? (Warning: Divide and conquer tactic used against "us" here.)

More candidates, more political parties, RP supporters considering voting for BHO?... These are all ways to keep the Liberty carrot on the end of the stick, but just out of reach, forever! WE NEED TO GET BEHIND ONE CANDIDATE and that candidate needs to bring this movement together in order to succeed.

Unless voters (can get a quick education, wake up and) get behind ONE good candidate for POTUS, BHO will win by a landslide and leave the GOP with a stinging defeat. The mainstream media is working hard to make that happen and unfortunately for the country, there will only be two candidates in "the debates"and one of only two choices reported to be "leading" in the polls.

It's too bad Ron Paul and his message were marginalized from the beginning by the MSM, but that message still got out and the response was stunning!

The masses are too easily fooled and the RP.Liberty movement was not positioned (or RP's paid team skilled enough) to compete with the horrid MSM/gov propaganda. Even worse, the masses seem fixated on voting for a "winner", as they elect another loser, every time.

The elections are usually just a farce anyhow, but they always get everybody whipped up arguing about the lesser of two (mainstream) evils. Nothing threatens to change the status quo: Government ALWAYS grows and freedom slowly dies.

This time it might turn out different because of GOP backlash, war, Economy and RP's Liberty message cutting away at the popular propaganda and lies. The RP grassroots movement still needs leadership and a single candidate to rally behind... Be careful not to self-destruct as this process grinds on!

I hope Ron Paul can offer leadership (an endorsement?) and advice to the grassroots movement on how to proceed.

 

[Kade]

Divide et impera? (Warning: Divide and conquer tactic used against "us" here.)

More candidates, more political parties, RP supporters considering voting for BHO?... These are all ways to keep the Liberty carrot on the end of the stick, but just out of reach, forever! WE NEED TO GET BEHIND ONE CANDIDATE and that candidate needs to bring this movement together in order to succeed.

Unless voters (can get a quick education, wake up and) get behind ONE good candidate for POTUS, BHO will win by a landslide and leave the GOP with a stinging defeat. The mainstream media is working hard to make that happen and unfortunately for the country, there will only be two candidates in "the debates"and one of only two choices reported to be "leading" in the polls.

It's too bad Ron Paul and his message were marginalized from the beginning by the MSM, but that message still got out and the response was stunning!

The masses are too easily fooled and the RP.Liberty movement was not positioned (or RP's paid team skilled enough) to compete with the horrid MSM/gov propaganda. Even worse, the masses seem fixated on voting for a "winner", as they elect another loser, every time.

The elections are usually just a farce anyhow, but they always get everybody whipped up arguing about the lesser of two (mainstream) evils. Nothing threatens to change the status quo: Government ALWAYS grows and freedom slowly dies.

This time it might turn out different because of GOP backlash, war, Economy and RP's Liberty message cutting away at the popular propaganda and lies. The RP grassroots movement still needs leadership and a single candidate to rally behind... Be careful not to self-destruct as this process grinds on!

I hope Ron Paul can offer leadership (an endorsement?) and advice to the grassroots movement on how to proceed.

Absolutism is not a road to freedom.

People view liberty differently, and that is itself a right... that anyone would argue that certain liberties are not in fact freedoms, is a trait of dictators and fascists... that is the reality.

Ron Paul stands for freedom 89% of the time. No candidate is ever going to bring together everything... there is no carrot, there is not stick. The sooner you learn this, the sooner you are not overly disappointed in your life.