What passes for "Debate" in Murica's colleges these days

[CPUd]

Correction: This is how liberal debaters debate nowadays. I don't debate that way. You don't debate that way. Reasonable people don't debate that way. That video makes it absolutely no clearer to me what's going on here because it's just as ludicrous with the explanation as without. Since when was debate about fitting as many words as possible into a given amount of time?

Since they learned the judges give them more points for doing it that way. I think in the documentary, one team tries to challenge that paradigm, and comes close to winning.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

By the way, y'all are just racist.

Obviously, if he really wanted to convince us that we were racist, he would just start talking really fast and stuttering while bobbing up and down. It would be soooo much more convincing, amirite?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Since they learned the judges give them more points for doing it that way. I think in the documentary, one team tries to challenge that paradigm, and comes close to winning.

Exactly.

 

[Danke]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...e-Debate-Reinforce-White-Privilege&highlight=

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?451206-CAN-SOMEONE-PLEASE-EXPLAIN!!!&highlight=

 

[fisharmor]

No fucking way.

I made my disbelieve saving throw.

No fucking way.

 

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Here's the Black & White version... Talk about a moronic rebuttal, not only is this man a walking contradiction when you go from paragraph to paragraph, the clown diables comments in debating YouTube/Web posts confronting those questioning the debate. Man, I thought Fluoridated Water was bad for your brain, this guy must be breathing 100% Fluorine. So there yah go folks, the irrational poison that is suppositorily[SIC] educating Americans.

For Immediate Release Contact: Paul Mabrey
May 12, 2014 540-568-4002
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CEDA Launches #IsupportCEDA4 Campaign

CEDA Executive Council responds to attacks on debaters and debate community

The Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) issued the following transcript of the remarks, video available via the CEDADebate youtube channel at http://youtu.be/0Pij5Sg4_DY:

Hi my name is Paul Mabrey and I am the President of the Cross Examination Debate Association or CEDA. I speak to you today on behalf of the Cross-Examination Debate Association Executive Council.

Recently CEDA celebrated the conclusion of the college policy debate season with the CEDA national debate tournament hosted at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana. After four grueling days of competition, the team of Korey Johnson and Ameena Ruffin from Towson University emerged victorious as the 2014 CEDA national champions. They defeated the team of Rashid Campbell and George Lee Jr. from the University of Oklahoma. In doing so, Korey and Ameena made history as the first team of two African-American women to win a college policy debate national championship. They finished the CEDA national debate tournament first out of 170 debate teams en route to the CEDA national championship.

Instead of spending the month since the CEDA national debate tournament celebrating their victory and reflecting on their historic moment, they have been on the defensive. Stories have emerged attacking the champions from Towson and finalists from Oklahoma for their argumentative choices and style. These stories should not even be called stories. The stories lack research, integrity and represent the worst of our human bigotry. These attacks on Towson, Oklahoma and others in our debate community are motivated by racism and fear. These attacks are reprehensible, despicable and must not be tolerated.

The Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) is unlike any other competitive forum. It uniquely enhances student’s research, argumentation and advocacy skills. Many people may think about debate narrowly as training for legal careers, however, debate as practiced provides students with a much broader skill set. Debate trains students to succeed in any career path - from teaching, researching, activism, policy-making, or the law. The format itself is debatable, which teaches skills in advocacy that no other activity can match. One of the ways debate maintains this flexibility in training is by limiting number of formal rules and encouraging debaters to create the world of debate that best serves their needs and the training they desire. Debaters can advance arguments favoring a particular set of norms, but must be prepared to defend proposed norms against other alternatives advocated by their opponents. While in some competitive forums students are beholden to one interpretation of the game they play, the ability to innovate in actual debates is a feature of CEDA debate. Rates of speed, styles of delivery, types of resolutions, interpretations of resolutions, and paradigms themselves are constantly changing, creating a uniquely challenging format for all debaters. To an outsider, this contestation may be confusing or frustrating, but in the academic world of debate this contestation is what makes the activity innovative. The ability to innovate is necessary to be successful in any field, and debate trains innovation better than other activities.

The stories attacking the innovation, skills and intelligence of Towson and Oklahoma in that final debate round are nothing but thinly veiled racism. And in some cases, extreme cases of racial bigotry. What Towson, Oklahoma and many before them have done is raise the level of excellence required to be successful in debate. And not just in competitive college policy debate but in their respective schools as students and in their communities. Thank you Ameena, Korey, Rashid and George for continuing to fight, struggle and succeed as others wish to tear you down. I am sorry you have had to experience this and that CEDA has not done more to support you and your efforts.

Today, I propose that we launch CEDA 4 campaign. Who are the CEDA 4? Korey, Ameena, Rashid and George are currently being criticized and personally attacked for their hard work in the CEDA finals. But they are also being attacked for representing a different style of debate. A style that challenges, innovates and asks questions that many in our community and society are not ready to grapple with. We must let the four debaters know that we stand with them and support them.

We will never have the time or other resources to respond to each and every attack made against members of our community. And nor should we respond to every act of offensive racism. We must not aid in circulating their ignorance, bigotry and violence. However we must not let their stories continue without our perspective and our voice. We must flood media, social networks and other spheres of influence with our overwhelming messages of support.

Please take 5 minutes to do a few things. First, create a brief video introducing yourself and your support for the CEDA 4. For example, my name is Paul Mabrey and I support the CEDA 4 because they represent what is good about debate and the future of our society. Or my name is Paul Mabrey and I support the CEDA 4 because racism has no place in our communities. Obviously, feel free to speak at length for your support of them. Then upload your video to youtube with the tag ceda debate. This will help ensure that when people search for commentary on these controversies, the support for Korey, Ameena, George and Rashid comes through loud and clear.

Second, take a picture of a sign saying I support the CEDA 4 because….You may choose to show your face or just the paper with the support. Consider changing your profile pictures to this photo.

Third, use the hashtag #Isupportceda4 on facebook, twitter and your other social media networks.

Finally, share these photos and videos with everyone you know. We want YOU (Korey, Ameena, George and Rashid) to know there are thousands of us who support you and that these acts of racism are unacceptable. Further, we want others who may follow in your footsteps to know that there is a place for them in the debate community.

Thank you for taking the time to listen and engage. My name is Paul Mabrey and I support the CEDA 4 because they deserve better.

 

[TaftFan]

Literally sounds like an ape language. Not being racist whatsoever. Do they have trained tics or something?

 

[LibForestPaul]

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You can install Video DownloadHelper addon on firefox and download any embedded object including Youtube videos

Then you can upload "portions" and do a critique under Fair Use.

 

[specialkornflake]

What a nightmare! I wouldn't mind it if they called it a competition of some other form, but it certainly isn't what we would consider classical debate!? I'm not sure this activity is particularly useful!?

EDIT: I guess to add: I'm not particularly concerned about the usefulness of the activity. We all do useless activities. It's just the calling of one thing another thing that bothers me.

 

[acptulsa]

What a nightmare! I wouldn't mind it if they called it a competition of some other form, but it certainly isn't what we would consider classical debate!? I'm not sure this activity is particularly useful!?

Now you know that you only get your Participation Medal if you're not disruptive.

Class, guess who's not getting his Participation Medal today?

 

[Paulbot99]

My kindle won't play the videos. What was the "debate" like.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

My kindle won't play the videos. What was the "debate" like.

The white man oppressing 'niggas', one rapped 2Pac's 'Keep Ya Head Up', then freestyled about 'chocolate covered watermelons', randomly yelling sounds.... words really do not describe it.

"The nigga is, UH, the nigga is, UH, the nigga is not but a word but a, UH,"

It was embarrassing to watch. If you have any faith in humanity, whatsoever, I would encourage you to forget this 'debate' ever happened.

 

[2young2vote]

My kindle won't play the videos. What was the "debate" like.

They talk at about 500 words per minute, use the N word in every sentence, and gasp for air and stutter every few seconds.

 

[DaninPA]

My kindle won't play the videos. What was the "debate" like.

Mind=blown. 2 black girls on speed saying "nigga" every few seconds and 2 wanna be rappers saying...I don't know what. Those people are unfit for high school, much less a college debate team.

This country is screwed. Get out if you can.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

My kindle won't play the videos. What was the "debate" like.

Hope you can see this one^^^

 

[jclay2]

This can't be real.

 

[Philhelm]

Reminded me of:

 

[Antischism]

I'm not sure what the problem is. All I saw was a stylized debate, taken in a specific artistic direction. I actually thought it was pretty interesting.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm not sure what the problem is. All I saw was a stylized debate, taken in a specific artistic direction. I actually thought it was pretty interesting.

Before death is eternity,
after death is eternity,
there's no death there's only eternity,
and I be ridin' wings to eternity like YAH, YAH, YAH."

...

"I be havin' dreams of chocolate covered watermelons,
fried with filled chicken (who tf knows?...)"
....

"With big sticks of aluminum foil tryin to catch pieces of the fried chicken wings,
While Aunt Jamima and Uncle Ben are standing in the corner of the room, with their rifles pointed at the heads of the children.
"Don't shoot the children," I shout, "don't shoot the children."

To say that this was a joke would insult jokes. Well articulated, the two who spoke to the news, yet this was just ridiculous. Everyone's special and artistic, I get it, but goddamn. They did themselves a disservice.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm not sure what the problem is. All I saw was a stylized debate, taken in a specific artistic direction. I actually thought it was pretty interesting.

Art? Ha!

This is purely cultural Marxism. Reason is reduced to questioning the premises of a debate and ignoring the subject in favor of long-winded rants about "nigga authenticity" and gender norms. It's freaking pathetic. This isn't based on anything to do with reason. What reason dictates that it would help one's credibility to ram as many words into a time slot as possible while alienating 95% of the audience by making your speech incomprehensible?

This isn't art. This is based on the liberal reaction to "white privilege", reducing reason to nonsense because logic is something white people do.