What killed the transgender movement?

[69360]

When was that, before Stalin’s gulags where they likewise cured mental disease?!?
Before electroshocks and psychiatric drugs that cause mental disorders, besides a whole bunch of adverse effects, without any benefits?

These days, psychiatry turns toddlers into amphetamine addicts.

'Psychiatry for population control'

Aug 18, 2016

When they tortured me in a psychiatric hospital in 2005 I watched “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest”, only to conclude that this movie is like a walk in the park compared to what I’m seeing here.
Psychiatric drugs in fact cause severe damage to the brain, while the political prisoners in fact have no energy and aren’t able to concentrate on any task more difficult than tying shoelaces. When you see psychiatric patients/victims walking with a lack of coordination, balance and blurred eyes, this is really caused by the drugs.
There are no "side effects" of psychiatric drugs; these...

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Surprise, mental illness can be treated without drugs or surgery.

 

[Firestarter]

Surprise, mental illness can be treated without drugs or surgery.

Psychiatry was and is a form of eugenics, where the poor get sentenced to mental disorders, and population control, where thoughtcriminals get "cured" from their hate for Big Brother.

All in the quest to make everybody experience the joy of doublethink (where we see no problem with the notion that a born male is really a female trapped in a male body or something)...

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Jun 7, 2021

It must be the wet dream of these eugenics psychopaths to have sadistic psychiatrists sentence promising poor kids to ADHD, drug them senseless with amphetamines (ritalin)... and there you have the proof that the low classes are "inferior" to the elite.

Wouldn't you want to know that our modern day "Brave new world" psychiatry was founded on the principles of the eugenics movement, in a nice collaboration between the German Nazis and the Anglo-American allied "heroes"?!?


In the 1860s, British capital got John D. Rockefeller started in the oil business.
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[jmdrake]

I'm literate

When states limit care, some trans people do it themselves

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — With her insurance about to run out and Republicans in her home state of Missouri ramping up rhetoric against gender-affirming health care, Erin Stille nervously visited a foreign pharmaceutical site as a “last resort” to ensure she could continue getting the hormones she

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Barriers to trans care lead some to embrace a do-it-yourself approach

Despite the health and legal risks to this approach, some experts predict it will become more common due to the current political environment.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm not sure I understand your point. Most people (including myself) don't give a rat's ass what adults do WRT taking cross sex hormones. The backlash is based on two things 1) kids and 2) women's spaces. Missouri has gone too far in trying to limit adults. And government tends to overreach going in either direction. People were being bullied into silence about real concerns about how these treatments were affecting children and the implications, especially safety, of blurring gender lines that had been established for thousands of years for the protection of women. Remember not to long ago women were saying they would "choose a bear" over meeting a strange man alone in the woods? So if magically that same man said "Oh it's okay. I identify as a woman. I just haven't finished my hormone treatment yet." that somehow changes everything?

 

[jmdrake]

So you confirm that the title of this thread is merely some "hopium" for the masses that are tired of the LGBT... insanity?!?

Don’t tell American conservatives, but it was none other than Donald Trump that made it possible for trannies to compete in the Miss Universe contest (Trump owned the contest), working with the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

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Sep 9, 2023

We all know that the Democrats are woke as hell, and support the transgender insanity.
Don’t tell American conservatives, but it was none other than Donald Trump that made it possible for trannies to compete in the Miss Universe contest (Trump owned the contest), working with the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

On 8 July 2023, tranny Rikkie Valerie Kolle became Miss Universe the Netherlands. Kolle is the first “transgender woman” to win the Dutch beauty title and will represent the Netherlands at the coming 72nd Miss Universe competition in El Salvador.

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Both you and @PAF make the mistake of thinking this has ANYTHING to do with Trump. It doesn't. Trump isn't king of the world. (Thank God!) Several European countries had started making the transition (no pun intended) away from gender affirming care for minors before Trump made transgenders a campaign issue. In fact the first American I really saw push back on this was DEMOCRATIC comedian Bill Mahr.

 

[acptulsa]

Both you and @PAF make the mistake of thinking this has ANYTHING to do with Trump. It doesn't.

While I agree that this thing is international in scope, I think at least partly (they love to kill two birds with one stone) it's part of the psyop that swept Trump back into office. A lot of things happened designed to fearmonger people into not paying much attention to the better candidates in the GOP primaries.

 

[jmdrake]

While I agree that this thing is international in scope, I think at least partly (they love to kill two birds with one stone) it's part of the psyop that swept Trump back into office. A lot of things happened designed to fearmonger people into not paying much attention to the better candidates in the GOP primaries.

Who were the "better candidates" in the GOP primaries? Nikki Haley? Ron Desantis? Vivek Ramaswamy? They all pretty much sucked. And Trump didn't even participate in the GOP primaries. He saved his powder for Biden and Harris. Biden was on literal life support and Kamala literally sucks at politics. (Insert Willie Brown joke). She had to drop out before the first primary in 2020 after being built up by the media as the "break out" candidate. Her "foot in mouth" on the trans issue was the cherry on top of the feces cake America was being served. In 2019 she was 100% on board with "gender affirming care is lifesaving care and should be protected" to 2024 "Well I just supported it because it's the law an Trump did the same thing." Nobody but a hardcore democrat bought that word salad. Here is the deal. I doubt most people would say the government shouldn't pay for HIV treatment for prisoners. Certainly most Democrats wouldn't say it. That's because EVERYBODY knows (except die hard conspiracy theorists) that such care is necessary to save lives and even prisoners shouldn't just be left to die. But most people don't believe that to be true and the data on that is mixed at best. You even had the case of the journalist who admitted to the New York Times that she BURIED her own research because it show no evidence of improved mental health from transgender care for minors. Bill Mahr brings up that study in this debate.



The left gaslit people on trans issues and it came back to bite them in the arse. Trump gaslit people with his lie that "They're eating the cats...they're eating the dogs" and so far he's gotten away with it but he's crashing and burning on the Epstein files.

 

[PAF]

@jmdrake

I will sum it up by saying:

Government Has No Business In Healthcare period-end-of-story.

That's what Trump and every republican should have been promoting, and leaving it up to your personal physician/insurance company. Not only for trans/lgbtqwhatever, but Covid and everything else as well. OWS left the worse taste in my mouth and I am still sick of it. Everything gets inflated for the sake of political expediency.

While I agree that this thing is international in scope, I think at least partly (they love to kill two birds with one stone) it's part of the psyop that swept Trump back into office. A lot of things happened designed to fearmonger people into not paying much attention to the better candidates in the GOP primaries.

 

[jmdrake]

@jmdrake

I will sum it up by saying:

Government Has No Business In Healthcare period-end-of-story.

That's what Trump and every republican should have been promoting, and leaving it up to your personal physician/insurance company. Not only for trans/lgbtqwhatever, but Covid and everything else as well. OWS left the worse taste in my mouth and I am still sick of it. Everything gets inflated for the sake of political expediency.

The rest of us live in the real world where it does. In the real world thalidomide used to be prescribed to pregnant women and now it isn't so we no longer have this:



Maybe thalidomide for pregnancy would have died a natural death from public backlash and/or lawsuits. But the public backlash is what I'm talking about, not the Trump policy. And while England has a National Health Service, the same backlash would have happened in a 100% market economy. 10% of the Tavistock patients sued over gender affirming care for minors. Had Tavistock been a private company they still would have ended up being shuttered. For a few decades the government has been pushing the trans agenda in publicly funded schools (where parents weren't even told their children were considering transitioning) in publicly funded television, through publicly funded research (which researchers then hid when the results didn't go their way), and the coup de grace' for the Kamala Harris campaign was funding the treatment for prisoners. (Probably the LEAST objectionable thing people have been complaining about). Quit making this about Trump and Republicans. Trump isn't exactly popular in Switzerland and Finland.

 

[acptulsa]

The rest of us live in the real world where it does.

The world can be changed, and that would be one of the best possible changes to work toward. There are doctors going out of their way to set up cash clinics so they can do what's best for patients without interference from governments and insurance companies. Which indicates to me that positive change is possible in the field.

Quit making this about Trump and Republicans.

I think he singles them out because they're in power, and because it takes a lot of doing to make Americans realize that conservatives have zero representation in "The Two Party System".

 

[jmdrake]

The world can be changed, and that would be one of the best possible changes to work toward. There are doctors going out of their way to set up cash clinics so they can do what's best for patients without interference from governments and insurance companies. Which indicates to me that positive change is possible in the field.

But is that REALLY positive change? Again, look at the thalidomide baby video I posted. Or the fact that research has been covered up her own research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/science/puberty-blockers-olson-kennedy.html

Why would you or @PAF or anyone else automagically think that these doctors are really just "doing what's best for patients" as opposed to pushing an agenda while trying to get rich? As an extreme example Jeffery Epstein's island was privately funded. Social media star "Lil' Tay" pre-sold her OnlyFans going back to when she was 12 and started making "content" 1 minute she turned 18. Free market? Absolutely. Good for society? Absolutely not. I'm glad that the SOCIAL MOVEMENT that was pushing gender ideology has suffered a setback. Will some people still go for said treatment even in states where it's outright banned? Yep. Will fewer people, even in blue states were gender affirming care remains legal, still go for it? Most likely. The fad is fading. That's what I care about. I'd like to see fewer people run out and get sloppy drunk or smoke their lungs to death too regardless of whether or not there is a ban.

I think he singles them out because they're in power, and because it takes a lot of doing to make Americans realize that conservatives have zero representation in "The Two Party System".

You both know me enough to know I'm not a Trump supporter. In fact I've been accused of having "TDS." I started this thread and it isn't about Trump. Trump rode he wave. He didn't create it. If you watch the OP video you'll see that back in 2016 when Trump was running he was ambivalent about the issue. He sounded like a straight up liberal on the question of "Is there more than one gender?" He said transgenders could use whatever bathroom they wanted in his hotels. Then later at the grassroots level there started to be a push-back of people recognizing real harm being done to children through medical transitioning and unfair competition in women's sports. Some of the backlash is ridiculous. I don't think men have an advantage over women in chess or darts. (@TheTexan might disagree with that). But in boxing? Basketball? Swimming? Yeah, there is an advantage. I don't care about women's sports or sports in general at this point besides a passing interest in MMA but I understand how a lot of other people do.

 

[TheTexan]

I don't think men have an advantage over women in chess or darts. (@TheTexan might disagree with that).

I'd be surprised to meet a woman that even knew how to set the board.

I'd call women's chess leagues the special olympics of chess but that'd be an insult to the special olympics.

Men are good at chess because they have the natural advantage of not being a woman

 

[69360]

Psychiatry was and is a form of eugenics, where the poor get sentenced to mental disorders, and population control, where thoughtcriminals get "cured" from their hate for Big Brother.

All in the quest to make everybody experience the joy of doublethink (where we see no problem with the notion that a born male is really a female trapped in a male body or something)...

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Jun 7, 2021

It must be the wet dream of these eugenics psychopaths to have sadistic psychiatrists sentence promising poor kids to ADHD, drug them senseless with amphetamines (ritalin)... and there you have the proof that the low classes are "inferior" to the elite.

Wouldn't you want to know that our modern day "Brave new world" psychiatry was founded on the principles of the eugenics movement, in a nice collaboration between the German Nazis and the Anglo-American allied "heroes"?!?


In the 1860s, British capital got John D. Rockefeller started in the oil business.
The Rockefeller Foundation funded...

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Sometimes just having a professional to talk things through with is all that is needed. It's not just lobotomies, shock treatment and SSRI drugs.

 

[Firestarter]

Both you and @PAF make the mistake of thinking this has ANYTHING to do with Trump. It doesn't. Trump isn't king of the world. (Thank God!)

Usually lawyers are better in reading than you…
There is nothing in my posts in this thread that suggests I think that the B actor in the White House is a “king” in any way.

What you accuse me of, actually applies to the mind numbing video you posted.

You ARE the one that posted a thread with the title of what “killed” the transgender movement.
This video is implicitly based on the notion that Trump is leading some transphobic activism, and then you wrongly accuse me of thinking that the NATO cheerleading, Peter Thiel (that’s Bilderberg) controlled orange clown is somehow “king of the world”?!?

 

[jmdrake]

Usually lawyers are better in reading than you…
There is nothing in my posts in this thread that suggests I think that the B actor in the White House is a “king” in any way.

What you accuse me of, actually applies to the mind numbing video you posted.

You ARE the one that posted a thread with the title of what “killed” the transgender movement.
This video is implicitly based on the notion that Trump is leading some transphobic activism, and then you wrongly accuse me of thinking that the NATO cheerleading, Peter Thiel (that’s Bilderberg) controlled orange clown is somehow “king of the world”?!?

I didn't say you said Trump was king. I used that as a figure of speech. Are you autistic or something? The point that I made, that clearly went over your head, is that this thread isn't about Trump and there was absolutely no reason to even bring him up. Trump didn't create the trans backlash. He merely rode the wave.

 

[Firestarter]

I didn't say you said Trump was king. I used that as a figure of speech. Are you autistic or something?

What makes your video completely worthless is that it “forgets” to mention that transgender insanity is used to increase government tyranny.
I really don't know whether this goes "over your head" or that you are intentionaly supporting tyranny...

Like for example in Florida where DeSantis is stealing children from their loving parents, when these kids want to participate in transgender shows.
As all courts of law are completely corrupt, like the overwhelming majority of politicians and (other) lawyers and the US child stealing adopting system, I cannot imagine why any scumbag lawyer would support stealing children from their loving parents.

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Jun 23, 2022

While 4 families isn't exactly systematic, I do believe that stealing children by the Department of Health and Human Services is widespread, also in the state of Florida.
According to attorney Octavia Brown child kidnapping by the state is systemic in Florida, “It’s happening all over Florida”.

Four families have started lawsuits against Florida's Department of Children and Families (DCF), for stealing their children without good reason, and also violating state and federal law by not placing them with family members, and instead putting them in the custody of...

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[jmdrake]

What makes your video completely worthless is that it “forgets” to mention that transgender insanity is used to increase government tyranny.
I really don't know whether this goes "over your head" or that you are intentionaly supporting tyranny...

You're entitled to your opinion, which at this point I find is worthless. If you think I am supporting tyranny at all then you are a complete moron, but I've known that for some time now. The government always gets involved in every crisis, real or imagined. As Hillary said "Never let a good crisis go to waste." This wasn't even an issue until Obama's "let everybody use the bathroom of their choice in school" executive order combined with slipping trans healthcare into the affordable care act and then Biden warping the meaning of Title 9 to mean that boys HAD to be allowed to participate in girl's sports. That's the tyranny from the left. From that has come a cultural backlash.

Like for example in Florida where DeSantis is stealing children from their loving parents, when these kids want to participate in transgender shows.

You mean like the "loving mom" who basically pimped out her son to do drag shows at a gay bar for money and was later shown on video with an adult transwoman on a couch saying it was good to do ketamine which is a date rape drug?



Or this parent that had this little girl at basically a topless bar just because the "women" are trans?



The big joke on Al Bundy was that he was a degenerate father for taken Bud to the "nudie bar" when he turned 18. Oh...but make it a TRANS nudie bar and all of a sudden it's age appropriate for a 4 year old? Even Biden knew this was wrong as he had a trans influencer kicked out of the Whitehouse for going topless just for a few seconds and the "Family friendly" pride event.



Sorry, but I'm with @Anti Federalist on this one and I don't care what you, or @PAF or @acptulsa think about it. If the American people decide they want to do away with all decency rules and even go so far as to say "Hey Lil'Tay. You don't have to wait until your 18 to start your OnlyFans. You can start it at 13 because there's a market for it as shown by all of the men who pre-ordered your show." Because clearly Lil'Tay's parents must be loving to let her pimp herself out like that." then the American people will decide it. I really do not care. Rape your child in the name of liberty. I do not care. But be HONEST about it. (You are NOT honest). If kids aren't allowed in topless bars with cisgender women then they should be allowed in topless bars with trans women. I mean the trans community keeps telling everybody that "women are women" right? And if we're going to INSIST that trans people should be able to do EVERYTHING in front of children, then stop discriminating against cisgender women and let them do lap dances at 12 year old birthday parties too.

Edit: And for the record I have transwomen in my family and they agree with Desantis that children shouldn't be at topless bars whether the performers are trans women or biological women.

 

[jmdrake]

What killed the transgender movement? Trump won the election, that's what happened.

The extremely low percentage of trans people was massively inflated in order to rial people up to vote for Pro-Israel/Pro-Technocrat Trump, who was also "hated" -------> across the finish line.

People fall for that stuff all of the time, to the point of even massively over-inflating issues themselves. TPTB love people like that [when AIPAC isn't quite enough] especially when it boosts their pre-selected candidate over the top for a "win".

Case in point: who worried about spending this, last or prior election? Answer: 0.

TPTB are very smart people. Smarter than most 'Mericans, in fact.

One more thing missing from your "It's all about Trump" analysis. The European countries who decided, while Biden was still in the first half of his only term, that maybe gender affirming care for minors wasn't such a good idea after all. And as for the numbers being "inflated" if by that you mean "kids who aren't really trans believing that they are", well that's part of the problem.

 

[acptulsa]

One more thing missing from your "It's all about Trump" analysis.

Are you familiar with the Biennio Rosso in Italy after WWI which swept Mussolini fascism into power? The powers that be set all sorts of obnoxious things in motion over two years to trigger a conservative backlash and crackdown. They deliberately provoked the citizenry to react, then engineered that into an overreaction. You know. That Hegel thing. They created problems that triggered reactions, then offered Mussolini as a solution.

And, yes. Those intolerable acts also miraculously stopped before Mussolini even took office.

The fact that I can recognize that those intolerable acts swept fascism into power, and say that those intolerable acts swept Il Duce into power, does not mean that I find those intolerable acts tolerable, nor does it mean I approve of them. And if I find the nature of the backlash deplorable, that's no logical proof that I didn't see any deplorable things which deserved a backlash.

The same thing goes for Biden's Quadrennio Rosso. I don't resist reacting to the intolerable acts by installing Il Duce or El Donald because I want the intolerable acts to continue. I resist that because someone is committing them specifically to manipulate me into doing that. So if I do that, I'm rewarding them for setting the intolerable acts into motion and encouraging them to do it again and again, Hegel style. Capiche?

If you want to channel Swordy and ASSUME things that make an ASS out of U, feel free -- but please leave ME out of it.

Who were the "better candidates" in the GOP primaries?

There were better candidates sitting them out. Who was the better candidate put up by the LP? It was going to be Dave Smith, but he sat it out. They made the greater evil so incredibly evil that people stuck to the Official Lesser Evil like super glue.

And the people who perpetrated all that crap got just what they wanted. Just what they were after. That does not put me in a good mood. Certainly not in a good enough mood to put up with being libeled by the people who obliged those evil asses.

But it's all good. To even imply that my disdain for the Deep State "solution" and the bandwagon they built to put it over somehow means that I approve of the intolerable acts used as a provocation, or that I don't approve of the righteously indignant reaction, is the kind of @Swordsmyth-style binary non-thinking that I really don't believe you're capable of. Thanks for letting me clear the air with a rant.

 

[jmdrake]

Are you familiar with the Biennio Rosso in Italy after WWI which swept Mussolini fascism into power? The powers that be set all sorts of obnoxious things in motion over two years to trigger a conservative backlash and crackdown. They deliberately provoked the citizenry to react, then engineered that into an overreaction. You know. That Hegel thing. They created problems that triggered reactions, then offered Mussolini as a solution.

And, yes. Those intolerable acts also miraculously stopped before Mussolini even took office.

The fact that I can recognize that those intolerable acts swept fascism into power, and say that those intolerable acts swept Il Duce into power, does not mean that I find those intolerable acts tolerable, nor does it mean I approve of them. And if I find the nature of the backlash deplorable, that's no logical proof that I didn't see any deplorable things which deserved a backlash.

The same thing goes for Biden's Quadrennio Rosso. I don't resist reacting to the intolerable acts by installing Il Duce or El Donald because I want the intolerable acts to continue. I resist that because someone is committing them specifically to manipulate me into doing that. So if I do that, I'm rewarding them for setting the intolerable acts into motion and encouraging them to do it again and again, Hegel style. Capiche?

If you want to channel Swordy and ASSUME things that make an ASS out of U, feel free -- but please leave ME out of it.



There were better candidates sitting them out. Who was the better candidate put up by the LP? It was going to be Dave Smith, but he sat it out. They made the greater evil so incredibly evil that people stuck to the Official Lesser Evil like super glue.

And the people who perpetrated all that crap got just what they wanted. Just what they were after. That does not put me in a good mood. Certainly not in a good enough mood to put up with being libeled by the people who obliged those evil asses.

But it's all good. To even imply that my disdain for the Deep State "solution" and the bandwagon they built to put it over somehow means that I approve of the intolerable acts used as a provocation, or that I don't approve of the righteously indignant reaction, is the kind of @Swordsmyth-style binary non-thinking that I really don't believe you're capable of. Thanks for letting me clear the air with a rant.

You know I didn't vote for Trump right? You know I also didn't vote for DeSantis (I don't live in Florida) and I wouldn't have voted for him if I had lived in Florida right? As for making ASSumptions, what assumption have I made? I started the thread talking about cultural backlash using a video that also didn't make any political demands. It seems that you and others are doing the assuming and then arguing by projection. The fact that CULTURALLY people are pushing back against the "obnoxious things" is a good thing. As I pointed out, even LIBERAL BIDEN was FORCED to say that the transgender who went topless at his "family friendly" event went too far.

Edit: One more thing. Your Mussolini analysis is fundamentally flawed in that it ignores the fact that Moussolini was initially a socialist.

Benito Mussolini Was An Ardent Socialist Before Becoming The Father Of Fascism - The Historian's Hut

(Photograph (with added color) of Benito Mussolini, c. 1940, by Roger Viollet, [Public Domain] via Creative Commons) Socialism was a family affair for the Mussolini family. In 1883, Benito Mussolini was born in Forlí, Italy, to a blacksmith named Alessandro and a Catholic schoolteacher named...

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He's kind of like Trump in that regard. The people he was "fighting against" would have been just fine to if nobody had pushed back against their "obnoxious things" because they would have used it to implement totalitarianism from the left. So this idea that people can't have an opinion about "obnoxious things" (which is what you seem to be saying) lest it feed into a "conservative political backlash" is a self defeating argument. It's like saying "Don't get off the train track because you might get hit by the train on the other track." Sorry but I don't agree with the false choice fallacy. You can get off of one track without getting on another.

 

[acptulsa]

Sorry, but I'm with @Anti Federalist on this one and I don't care what you, or @PAF or @acptulsa think about it.

Who did AF vote for? Hell, he gets almost as whiny as Swordy when people don't wag our tails when Trump throws us a bone. And if you don't care what I think, then...?

Edit: One more thing. Your Mussolini analysis is fundamentally flawed in that it ignores the fact that Moussolini was initially a socialist.

He's kind of like Trump in that regard.

My analysis comparing Mussolini and Trump is fundamentally flawed because Mussolini is kind of like Trump? Well, "flaw" or not, I don't mind owning it.

So this idea that people can't have an opinion about "obnoxious things" (which is what you seem to be saying) lest it feed into a "conservative political backlash" is a self defeating argument.

I didn't call them obnoxious, I called them "intolerable", which they were in my opinion.

What's self-defeating isn't getting mad about their manufactured problems. What's self-defeating is jumping on the bandwagon they prepare for us. It gives them what they want, which is invariably what I don't want. And it encourages them to manufacture more problems for us.

You can get off of one track without getting on another.

But if people like @PAF and I don't point that out over and over and over again, who's going to remember to look for other solutions besides the Psyop Bandwagon in the heat of the next moment?

When I was a kid, I used to watch Wile E. Coyote run down the tracks trying to outrun trains and think, that's too ridiculous even for silly cartoons. Anyone would just step aside. Boy was I wrong. Eighty-five percent of the population is just like that stupid coyote.