What it will take to secure our borders

[Kade]

Jesus the Almighty blessed the state (unless there is any doubt).

Much doubt.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Much doubt.

As a gentile, I was amongst the worthless multitude the Lord fed (watered, cleaned, and provided toiletries to) in the most desolate of places. As the disciples felt superior to them, they ordered the multitude to go away, take care of themselves, and come back later (in essence, they were telling them to get lost.) But the Lord rebuked the disciples by saying "No!" and then demanded that they serve us by giving us something to eat. He then granted us all the wealth and property of the universe (!!) by demanding that we recline where we stood (Hee hee). As the disciples feared Christ because they witnessed Him beforehand doing miracles (and not because they believed He was the Almighty), they lowered themselves to serving the worthless multitude (nations).

 

[ctb619]

 

[Kade]

As a gentile, I was amongst the worthless multitude the Lord fed (watered, cleaned, and provided toiletries to) in the most desolate of places. As the disciples felt superior to them, they ordered the multitude to go away, take care of themselves, and come back later (in essence, they were telling them to get lost.) But the Lord rebuked the disciples by saying "No!" and then demanded that they serve us by giving us something to eat. He then granted us all the wealth and property of the universe (!!) by demanding that we recline where we stood (Hee hee). As the disciples feared Christ because they witnessed Him beforehand doing miracles (and not because they believed He was the Almighty), they lowered themselves to serving the worthless multitude (nations).

Good stuff, let's open the borders, clean up the planet, give everybody jobs, allow free business ownership, let people hump who they want, dismantle corporations, and ride the good life till we get to the gates knowing we did the best we could while were were here!

No?

Didn't think so.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Jesus the Almighty blessed the state (unless there is any doubt).

Woefully incorrect. Yeshua forgave those betrayed him (Judas, et. al.) and those who murdered him (the Roman State). This is not the same as blessing them.

 

[Cowlesy]

But what about the People's Civil Purpose?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

But what about the People's Civil Purpose?

lol!! +rep

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Good stuff, let's open the borders, clean up the planet, give everybody jobs, allow free business ownership, let people hump who they want, dismantle corporations, and ride the good life till we get to the gates knowing we did the best we could while were were here!

No?

Didn't think so.

1) "Be fruitful and multiply," was given in the Garden of Eden as the first commandment.
2) The ten commandments were given by God to Moses after the worst time in man's fall away from the Garden had already happened and after God had already began recovering mankind. In the Garden we were all brothers and sisters. After the fall, Abraham the Father, Isaac the Son, and Jacob the Holy Spirit were established.
3) During the time of Christ, Jesus blessed the economy of the Ten Commandments condemning the disadvantaged Gentiles to be slaves to the Jewish economy. Jesus then gave the slaves a New Covenant by reducing for them the former ten commandments down to the single one of "Love thy neighbor as thyself." In essence, it became better to hear the Gospel of Christ as a stranger than to be touched by His law as His family.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Woefully incorrect. Yeshua forgave those betrayed him (Judas, et. al.) and those who murdered him (the Roman State). This is not the same as blessing them.

When Jesus blessed the little bread given to Him in a basket that He took from a little boy, He blessed the state. When He made the disciples serve the worthless multitude, He blessed the nations over the sake of His own family.
This is all a matter of light on the conscience. You see a limited environment, but you don't see the shell of the egg or of the seed. In forming the shell around the egg or the seed, one puts God's eternal life to death. In breaking forth out of that shell, a tiny expression of God's nature is revealed within a greater environment.
Within this shell we live today, there is a lot of doubt and confusion. As the embryo continues to dry up and take shape, there is a lot more desperation.
But we aren't supposed to worry about it. The solution is built into the problem while the lone anomaly revealing the Truth has already been revealed to argue against an eternity of infinite deceit and fraud.

(When a father blesses the top of his son's head, he is being selfish. When blessing the food even before it is eaten, He is someone who cares immensely about you as your Holy Father.)

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

But what about the People's Civil Purpose?

Civil Purpose: Self evident truths known unalienable in the conscience which need no expert or government of experts to define. A conclusion established by natural law which supercedes every legal precedence established by past traditions as well as any future events yet to occur.

Tyranny can only be controlled by the light of the Truth. As our Founders established a nation on certain truths, those who serve in our government over us will be held under a higher judgement and a greater penalty.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

1) "Be fruitful and multiply," was given in the Garden of Eden as the first commandment.
2) The ten commandments were given by God to Moses after the worst time in man's fall away from the Garden had already happened and after God had already began recovering mankind. In the Garden we were all brothers and sisters. After the fall, Abraham the Father, Isaac the Son, and Jacob the Holy Spirit were established.
3) During the time of Christ, Jesus blessed the economy of the Ten Commandments condemning the disadvantaged Gentiles to be slaves to the Jewish economy. Jesus then gave the slaves a New Covenant by reducing for them the former ten commandments down to the single one of "Love thy neighbor as thyself." In essence, it became better to hear the Gospel of Christ as a stranger than to be touched by His law as His family.

if one believes in the omniscience of God, one believes that the plan was established before the fall. God merely revealed it, as Scripture (and history, subsequently) is a progressive revelation of God's plan.

Jesus fulfilled the law in his perfection in that He perfectly keep all of the law, thus enabling the new covenant. it didn't become "better to hear the Gospel of Christ as a stranger"... it because "easier" in a sense because the Jews, as a nation (but not as individuals) were blinded until the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled (see Romans 9). as far as the "love thy neighbor" idea: in the age of grace, there is no requirement for entering into the covenant save your faith in the finished and perfect work of Christ (his death, burial and resurrection as sufficient). anything else is, as Paul calls it, is "another gospel" (2 Cor. 11:4, Gal. 1:6). law and grace just don't mix as a condition for salvation.

When Jesus blessed the little bread given to Him in a basket that He took from a little boy, He blessed the state. When He made the disciples serve the worthless multitude, He blessed the nations over the sake of His own family.
This is all a matter of light on the conscience. You see a limited environment, but you don't see the shell of the egg or of the seed. In forming the shell around the egg or the seed, one puts God's eternal life to death. In breaking forth out of that shell, a tiny expression of God's nature is revealed within a greater environment.
Within this shell we live today, there is a lot of doubt and confusion. As the embryo continues to dry up and take shape, there is a lot more desperation.
But we aren't supposed to worry about it. The solution is built into the problem while the lone anomaly arguing the Truth has already been revealed to argue against an eternity of deceit and fraud.

i give up. the gospel of Christ is simple and straight forward, as is God's Word. is the wisdom of God foolishness to those who don't believe? you betcha. is there anything simple in course of sanctification post salvation? not quite. do those who believe "see in part and prophesy in part"? yep. do those who believe have hope that "when that which is perfect (complete) has come, then that which is part will be done away with"? Paul in 1 Corinthians claims so.

it seems to me that you manage to chase your own rabbits down your own holes and tie Scripture together in really odd ways to make really odd and hard to understand (if not impossible to understand) points.

i am ceasing and desisting. thanks for the reminder that the Gospel message (faith in Christ's death, burial and resurrection) really is simple and it's mankind who mucks the message up by either denouncing it outright or mixing it with their own untruth.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

When Jesus blessed the little bread given to Him in a basket that He took from a little boy, He blessed the state. When He made the disciples serve the worthless multitude, He blessed the nations over the sake of His own family.
This is all a matter of light on the conscience. You see a limited environment, but you don't see the shell of the egg or of the seed. In forming the shell around the egg or the seed, one puts God's eternal life to death. In breaking forth out of that shell, a tiny expression of God's nature is revealed within a greater environment.
Within this shell we live today, there is a lot of doubt and confusion. As the embryo continues to dry up and take shape, there is a lot more desperation.
But we aren't supposed to worry about it. The solution is built into the problem while the lone anomaly revealing the Truth has already been revealed to argue against an eternity of infinite deceit and fraud.

(When a father blesses the top of his son's head, he is being selfish. When blessing the food even before it is eaten, He is someone who cares immensely about you as your Holy Father.)

Blessing the peoples of the nations is not the same as blessing the regimes of the nations. Nice try, though.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

if one believes in the omniscience of God, one believes that the plan was established before the fall. God merely revealed it, as Scripture (and history, subsequently) is a progressive revelation of God's plan.

Jesus fulfilled the law in his perfection in that He perfectly keep all of the law, thus enabling the new covenant. it didn't become "better to hear the Gospel of Christ as a stranger"... it because "easier" in a sense because the Jews, as a nation (but not as individuals) were blinded until the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled (see Romans 9). as far as the "love thy neighbor" idea: in the age of grace, there is no requirement for entering into the covenant save your faith in the finished and perfect work of Christ (his death, burial and resurrection as sufficient). anything else is, as Paul calls it, is "another gospel" (2 Cor. 11:4, Gal. 1:6). law and grace just don't mix as a condition for salvation.



i give up. the gospel of Christ is simple and straight forward, as is God's Word. is the wisdom of God foolishness to those who don't believe? you betcha. is there anything simple in course of sanctification post salvation? not quite. do those who believe "see in part and prophesy in part"? yep. do those who believe have hope that "when that which is perfect (complete) has come, then that which is part will be done away with"? Paul in 1 Corinthians claims so.

it seems to me that you manage to chase your own rabbits down your own holes and tie Scripture together in really odd ways to make really odd and hard to understand (if not impossible to understand) points.

i am ceasing and desisting. thanks for the reminder that the Gospel message (faith in Christ's death, burial and resurrection) really is simple and it's mankind who mucks the message up by either denouncing it outright or mixing it with their own untruth.

Actually, I'm not disagreeing. See, I'm not here to know God, but to see Him. And I believe a blind man can see God. As such, I also believe that a blind man can be a scientist. Therefore, as I can see a little, I am a scientist.
As a scientist, I believe it is God's purpose that we see Him better and in ever greater quality. The mind and the question of reproduction are just means to an end. In fact, they aren't even necessary factors in creating life.
Once again, I'm not going to argue with you as I don't belong to a religion, but to a faith.
Jesus did not rule from the front of the flock, but as a shepherd from the middle of it. As the best the designated false authorities at the front of the flock could do is lead the flock astray, divine intervention became a necessity at times.
But, once again, I'm not going to argue with you.
Not only do I not know, but I'm not here to know. I am here to see Him. As we all have different eyes, we will all have different interpretations.
You see, every part of us is a sense organ. From head to toe, we are sensual beings created to see God. In order to see Him better, the sense organs that make us up rudiment to become the secondary characteristics of arms, legs, fingers, toes, brains, and other such abstract parts.
But I am not here to argue with you. Like I said, I don't belong to a silly religion.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Blessing the peoples of the nations is not the same as blessing the regimes of the nations. Nice try, though.

If you tortured me and chewed me up into little pieces, what would become of me? Well, that question has already been answered. God came and broke Himself into little parts of bread pouring out His blood to become little pieces of man in the process. Having nothing outside of Himself to leave as His inheritance, He threw Himself to the wind, so to speak, to be tormented, spit upon, and crucified. And who chose to come and pick Him up?

Look, Jesus stood as the Truth in front of both Herod a Jewish king and Pilate a Roman emperor. This should have been enough to cause them to follow after their conscience. But king Herod was drunk on wine and emperor Pilate was sickened by a false power.
Still, the only way to control tyranny is by the light of the Truth. That is why I began this answer this way.
When Saul was brought to his knees, he saw the light of the Truth. This light was delivered to him by way of the Gospel from a Eunuch. Why do I say this? Well, that is the order that authority manifests itself in the Book of Acts. The authority first started off with the mighty apostle Peter and the Apostles, it was then handed off to the little Deacons within the Church, was further handed off to a Eunuch on the street, and then next came Saul.
While neither king Herod nor emperor Pilate saw the Gospel of the Truth, Saul, the worst tyrant to ever live, did.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Bump
The political argument here is that tyranny can only be controlled when it is coherced, manipulated, and maneuvered into perceiving the Truth in its conscience. In doing so, it will then understand that it will one day be held to a higher judgement under a greater penalty.
So, let this be a warning to you! Leave me alone when I have to live on the streets or under the bridges as you now know better (See, that kind of thing)!
In claiming that the people of the United States will have to invade across the border to adequately patrol it, I am not being a mad fool but only someone who is being strategic in their thinking. As the American people are naturally at a disadvantage to "the necessary tyranny" ruling over us, with these folks being those *old Washingtonians our Founding Fathers established in the U.S. Constitution, we are being put even at a further disadvantage because of the tyranny ruling over Mexico, which is not "a more perfect union" form of government in comparison to ours.
It is both of these tyrannies in the United States and Mexico that are taking advantage of us all as both the Mexican and the American peoples.
They are collectly pimping us all!
Wake up!
As we are by nature already at a disadvantage to tyranny, the American people cannot compromise their position. In doing so, we futher sell off our American souls!
In order to fix the border problem, we need to work at it. Well, the American people can't cross the border to work because there isn't any jobs. There isn't any job to do in Mexico as that nation already thinks it is sufficient as a tyranny.
Once again, wake up!

*As the Republic no longer exists, the Federal government no longer exists. As these "Washingtonians" no longer have a concern for this nation's posterity, they have become "old" men seeking after trivial things that they can't take with them.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If you tortured me and chewed me up into little pieces, what would become of me? Well, that question has already been answered. God came and broke Himself into little parts of bread pouring out His blood to become little pieces of man in the process. Having nothing outside of Himself to leave as His inheritance, He threw Himself to the wind, so to speak, to be tormented, spit upon, and crucified. And who chose to come and pick Him up?

Look, Jesus stood as the Truth in front of both Herod a Jewish king and Pilate a Roman emperor. This should have been enough to cause them to follow after their conscience. But king Herod was drunk on wine and emperor Pilate was sickened by a false power.
Still, the only way to control tyranny is by the light of the Truth. That is why I began this answer this way.
When Saul was brought to his knees, he saw the light of the Truth. This light was delivered to him by way of the Gospel from a Eunuch. Why do I say this? Well, that is the order that authority manifests itself in the Book of Acts. The authority first started off with the mighty apostle Peter and the Apostles, it was then handed off to the little Deacons within the Church, was further handed off to a Eunuch on the street, and then next came Saul.
While neither king Herod nor emperor Pilate saw the Gospel of the Truth, Saul, the worst tyrant to ever live, did.

As eloquent a non-answer as I've ever read.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

When speaking in the language of tyranny, one becomes a tyrant. The main issue of today.

When referring to persecutions by the Washingtonians whose actions are in clear contempt of the Ameican people's Civil Purpose, one won't ever be reading about such evil in the Federal media.
Washingtonians- As the Republic no longer exists, so, the Federal government no longer exists.
Civil Purpose- Certain self evident truths understood without the use of experts or of the opinions expressed by a government of experts, whether this be expressed as legislation, administration, or judication, as these truths are percieved unalienable in the collective (bipartisan) conscience, heart, and soul.
Federal Media- A commerical press that once competed on the local level in regards to the American people's happiness who now compete on the national level for their survival by lobbying the Washingtonians for counterfeitmoney.
Counterfeit- False wealth that is legislated, administered, and judicated by Washingtonians (If one isn't being a Republic, then one isn't being the Constitutional government).

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

As eloquent a non-answer as I've ever read.

We just have different views. I think you tend to be European which is no better than being African or Asian. This doesn't help any and is just as hurtful.
In the new America that will be necessary, I don't think of artists and scientists in the same way as Europeans do. I think we all should be thought of as artists just as we should all be scientific in everything that we do. See, in regards to the concrete, we should be artists. This works out beautifully as an artist will starve for his or her art. Let's use a psychiatrist as an example. In helping sick people cope, as the people are his or her canvass, the psychiatrist might actually allow them to sleep in his or her house. As they are more concerned about the mentally ill with the passion of an artist, they would be willing to make less money and live in smaller homes.
Then again, as a painter is also an artist, he or she should be scientific in their work.
See, Europeans always see things in inverses. They think of art and science as opposites. In actuality, as Americans, we should be artistic in the concrete beings we are and scientific in ther dynamic becomings of what we do.
See, we live in different worlds you and I.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

We just have different views. I think you tend to be European which is no better than being African or Asian. This doesn't help any.
In the new America that will be necessary, I don't think of artists and scientists as the same way as Europeans do. I think we all should be thought of as artists just as we should all be scientific in everything we do. See, in regards to the concrete, we should be artists. This works out beautifully as an artists will starve for his or her work. Let's use a psychiatrist as an example. In helping sick people cope, as the people are his or her canvass, he or she would actually allow them to sleep in their houses. As they are more concerned about the mentally ill, they would be willing to make less money and live in a smaller homes.
Then again, as a painter is also an artist, he or she should be scientific in their work.
See, Europeans always see things in inverses. They think of art and science as opposites. In actuality, as Americans, we should be artistic in our concrete beings and scientific in our dynamic becomings.
See, we live in different worlds you and I.

No, I'm not European. I would argue that you are far more "European" than I. We do live in different worlds, though. You in the world of wishful thinking, outdated ideas, and convoluted logic, me in the world of staunch insistence on liberty, reality, and voluntary action.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

No, I'm not European. I would argue that you are far more "European" than I. We do live in different worlds, though. You in the world of wishful thinking, outdated ideas, and convoluted logic, me in the world of staunch insistence on liberty, reality, and voluntary action.

Convoluted logic? As one can't determine what is an inverse, the premises and conclusions in logic aren't even possible. See, it is determining what the inverses are that create the real problem. Instead, we should think of science in terms of both rational and mathematical thinking. Like high and mighty grandfather, we should be thinking rationally about things; while, like little ole' grandmother, we should be looking for those little missing numbers that cause revolutions in science, that overthrow everything we thought we knew, and that make fools of us all.
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