What is your main issue?

[Theocrat]

Back to the Genesis of the Republic

Here is my main issue:

 

[ClayTrainor]

It's a poor analogy, because you equated it to something in which no one but the person engaging in the behavior was harmed.

It's irrelevant to the analogy. It's an economic point, not a moral one. When there is demand for a product/service and you make a law restricting that demand, it gets driven underground to the black markets where it becomes far more dangerous.

Define "state".

A Monopoly on the right to use force.

Actually, I am not in favor of mob rule or lynch mobs, but you can give it a try in Canada and tell us how it works out.

Straw-man. I'm in no way in favor of such things.

It's either a lynch mob, or a coercive monopoly? are those my only 2 options?

No one is desirous of a monopoly. The form of government in my country was intended to be representative. They were to represent us, within the boundaries of the Constitution.

Yea, and the Roman empire wasn't supposed to burn. Guess what?

Please point out where anyone has argued for what our government has become. It is very far from the constitutional government it is supposed to be.

I didn't suggest that, I don't feel you are comprehending my points very well.

You are arguing that the states should handle abortion, and I'm saying that states are just as corrupt as the feds. I agree with you that the FEDs should be out of legislating abortion laws, but I don't agree that the states would do a better job.

Abortion is not a moral decision, Clay. It is murder.

the pre-meditated killing of another human being is murder. An embryo is not a human being any more than an egg is a chicken, or a seed is a tree.

Or do you consider murder a moral issue?

Are you kidding? I don't think that I understand what you're asking.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Abortion is not as big an issue for me, if the candidate has no say in the matter in the level of government he is seeking office for.

That's why I could support Peter Schiff, because he openly admitted to being 'pro-choice' but at the same time, he acknowledged that he would have no authority to decide the issue one way or another as a U.S. senator. He was also against Roe vs. Wade on the grounds that the Supreme Court had overstepped its authority by rendering a decision on an issue that the Federal government was not allowed to consider per the 10th Amendment.

If Peter had been running for a state-seat in Georgia, I would likely have looked around to see what other candidates were available.

But to answer your question:

1: Natural rights
2: Ending the Fed

 

[lester1/2jr]

abortion is a north-south uirban vs rural thing. I mean lets face it. theres no "truth" it's cultural.

Anyway my issue is war. ending them. end the empire. then end income tax. or both at once!

 

[treyfu]

The use of violence against peaceful people.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You are arguing that the states should handle abortion, and I'm saying that states are just as corrupt as the feds. I agree with you that the FEDs should be out of legislating abortion laws, but I don't agree that the states would do a better job.

I am saying that the federal government has no constitutional right to be involved in abortion. That means, the decision is left up to the states and the people. They may decide in a given state to do nothing at all. It's up to the people of the individual states.

the pre-meditated killing of another human being is murder.

Yes, and abortion is premeditated too.

An embryo is not a human being any more than an egg is a chicken, or a seed is a tree.

Are you serious? You are equating human life with an unfertilized chicken egg or a seedling? For the record, unless a chicken egg is fertilized, it will never become a chicken. The life inside a mother's womb is a living being, with a heartbeat, limbs, etc. To kill it is murder.

Are you kidding? I don't think that I understand what you're asking.

No, I wasn't kidding. It had to do with this statement that you made...
"In my opinion, the state (federal and state-level) are front organizations for organized crime. They should not be entrusted with moral decisions."

I think we're somehow misunderstanding each other tonight, maybe. We can try again another day.

 

[lester1/2jr]

"She has the liberty to keep her legs closed, "



Location:Texas

 

[Agorism]

Issues of war and peace are #1 (including stopping the "war on terror")

 

[Brett85]

No an adult is entirely different from a fetus that is attached to the mother. Everything the mother goes through, the fetus does as well. That's not an individual entity (it's a human being, yes) but until it's able to survive without sucking off the mother's resources, it's the mother's choice.

After the baby is born, it still depends on the mother to survive. It depends on her milk, and it depends on her to take care of it in general. According to your logic, it should be legal to kill a child until they turn about 16.

 

[Brett85]

I gave him one too. That is a very good explanation as to why laws don't keep people from doing anything.

Then why don't we just do away with all laws and just have anarchy?

 

[bkreigh]

1. Monetary policy (the Fed)
2. The wars.

This.

The abortion issue is near the bottom of my list. In the long run it doesnt fuckin matter.

 

[realtonygoodwin]

A holocaust of 40 million dead people since 1973...doesn't matter?

 

[MikeStanart]

Liberty

 

[bkreigh]

A holocaust of 40 million dead people since 1973...doesn't matter?

I hate answering a question with a question but how did it effect you when my girlfriend (now wife) had an abortion 7 years ago? It doesnt fuckin matter to you. Feel free to call me Hitler though since thats who you see me as.

That being said i really dont care if it is made illegal. I really dont. It doesnt FUCKING MATTER!!!!

 

[realtonygoodwin]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html?_r=2

This didn't affect me either. It still matters.

Also, I am sorry for your loss.

What if that child would have grown up to be the doctor that saves my life 30 years from now?

 

[Sola_Fide]

I hate answering a question with a question but how did it effect you when my girlfriend (now wife) had an abortion 7 years ago? It doesnt fuckin matter to you. Feel free to call me Hitler though since thats who you see me as.

That being said i really dont care if it is made illegal. I really dont. It doesnt FUCKING MATTER!!!!

Were you going for eloquent with this post?

 

[Brett85]

A holocaust of 40 million dead people since 1973...doesn't matter?

I would give you a +rep, but I have to spread it around first.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

After the baby is born, it still depends on the mother to survive. It depends on her milk, and it depends on her to take care of it in general. According to your logic, it should be legal to kill a child until they turn about 16.

No you are ignoring everything I'm saying. The baby doesn't depend on the mother it came out of to survive. She can pass on care to anyone else she wants, or someone can take it.

 

[bkreigh]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html?_r=2

This didn't affect me either. It still matters.

Also, I am sorry for your loss.

What if that child would have grown up to be the doctor that saves my life 30 years from now?

Dont feel sorry for me its been a while. I wanted to have it. She was the one that didnt. Its her body so she had the final decision.

What if that child would have grown up to become the next Jeffery Dahmer

 

[realtonygoodwin]

What if? This isn't Minority Report, we don't punish someone for a future crime.

Well, then I am sorry she chose to make that decision. I don't think you are Hitler though.