What if giving up on this effort would mean giving up on our nation?

[Ivash]

This "nation" doesn't want to be saved. Politics as usual with all the repercussions that comes with it.

I'm not sure if this is right. We saw in 2008 a massive desire for change. The President did not live up to expectations, though, so people are unsure what can actually change the system, and I think even more people are unsure about what change they really want. Other wants change but don't want libertarian change, etc.

 

[nobody's_hero]

It's an important question. I've thought about where I would go if living here no longer was attractive.

Heh. I've thought about it too. Ultimately, though, I decided that since the U.S. government is determined to invade every country in the world, I might be just slightly safer here at home.

I mean, I'd hate to move to another country and then get bombed by someone who wants to spread democracy, which is what I'm running from.

 

[tremendoustie]

RP is a key man, and a hero, but he's just one man, and this election is just one struggle in the centuries long effort for liberty.

The next step: move to NH

 

[azxd]

Many have given up on this nation, if the view is a political one ... There is little hope for this nation because it's people live in a World where they are sheltered from the truth, and isolated from what is happening via an addiction to nothing of value (tangible goods).

 

[TheTexan]

We don't need to save this country. We only need to save ourselves. Secession please.

 

[J_White]

well, nothing last forever. all great empires fall.

it is unfortunate that we live in a time where USA might fall. >.<

 

[PolicyReader]

Heh. I've thought about it too. Ultimately, though, I decided that since the U.S. government is determined to invade every country in the world, I might be just slightly safer here at home.

I mean, I'd hate to move to another country and then get bombed by someone who wants to spread democracy, which is what I'm running from.

There are some very tangible reasons why Paul is popular around the world. No one likes to be bombed for "peace", and Paul is one of the only individuals in national politics here in the USA who will acknowledge that fact in any functional way.

 

[SaulPaulinsky]

Heh. I've thought about it too. Ultimately, though, I decided that since the U.S. government is determined to invade every country in the world, I might be just slightly safer here at home.

I mean, I'd hate to move to another country and then get bombed by someone who wants to spread democracy, which is what I'm running from.

Gotta pick one the U.S. doesn't care about, already gets what they want from, or powerful enough to deter them.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Don't Give Up !

Urgent Request (04/07/2012): See This post Vermont Needs Help or Vermont DELEGATES At Stake

 

[Anti Federalist]

Hate to be the wet blanket here, but...

If the forces aligned against freedom and liberty are as powerful as we all think they are, and I have no reason to doubt that they are not, a man like Ron Paul would not get within 1000 yards of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

This isn't going to be solved by voting.

 

[azxd]

Hate to be the wet blanket here, but...

If the forces aligned against freedom and liberty are as powerful as we all think they are, and I have no reason to doubt that they are not, a man like Ron Paul would not get within 1000 yards of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

This isn't going to be solved by voting.

Speak for yourself !!!

The man has conversed in the Oval Office a few times, so it's only impossible for the self defeatist, fearmongering type of individual

Translation = If you really think this ... Why are you here ?

 

[Endthefednow]

Hate to be the dry blanket, Ron Paul has a chance of getting not only within 1000 yards of 1600 Pennsylvania, but actually becoming
the next Prez of the United States. He is the only one who will and does take votes away from Obama I know 4 in my family and many
others who have switched from Dem to Rep just to vote for Ron Paul

 

[Anti Federalist]

Speak for yourself !!!

The man has conversed in the Oval Office a few times, so it's only impossible for the self defeatist, fearmongering type of individual

Translation = If you really think this ... Why are you here ?

To say that I did everything possible before this goes to the next level.

 

[TheTexan]

While I'm happy to see so many people here take such an interest in trying to give this country freedom, this country does not want freedom. We don't need to be wasting our time anymore trying to force freedom on them when they have so clearly rejected it.

Just as oil separates from water, separate from these people. Move to NH, and raise the flag of freedom.

 

[Anti Federalist]

While I'm happy to see so many people here take such an interest in trying to give this country freedom, this country does not want freedom. We don't need to be wasting our time anymore trying to force freedom on them when they have so clearly rejected it.

Just as oil separates from water, separate from these people. Move to NH, and raise the flag of freedom.

This.

It's either drag these people along kicking and screaming, with all the trouble that entails, or separate.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

While I'm happy to see so many people here take such an interest in trying to give this country freedom, this country does not want freedom. We don't need to be wasting our time anymore trying to force freedom on them when they have so clearly rejected it.

Just as oil separates from water, separate from these people. Move to NH, and raise the flag of freedom.

I beg to differ, they want freedom, they just aren't exposed to the idea. The PTB don't want them to hear it, and they won't from mainstream sources.

That's why this is an effort that is not easy. We don't fight the fight for freedom because they hand it to us on a plate, but because it's worth fighting for.

We the people will get the message out, along with Dr. Paul, to those that have not heard and understood the message. We will strive for it until it is successful or we lay in our graves.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I beg to differ, they want freedom, they just aren't exposed to the idea. The PTB don't want them to hear it, and they won't from mainstream sources.

I'm not so sure of that at all.

People still want what they have always wanted: to be fed, entertained and, if possible, to exercise petty authority over their fellow man.

Freedom has always been brought to a majority by a minority, even in "post modern" events like the Arab Spring or the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

[JK/SEA]

I dunno...i'm liking that idea of the military arresting traitors to the constitution, and inserting temp. leaders to get this country back on track, until free elections can then be employed.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I dunno...i'm liking that idea of the military arresting traitors to the constitution, and inserting temp. leaders to get this country back on track, until free elections can then be employed.

Dangerous road to go down.

"Temporary" leaders always learn to dislike the "temporary" part.

ETA - That said, it's not like I've got better answers.

All I know is we're in a tight spot right now.

 

[azxd]

Boogie man is strong, it seems.