What if giving up on this effort would mean giving up on our nation?

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the thing i worry about is.. will people make the same mistake in 2016??

Hmmm, lemme think.

DONE.

 

[Cabal]

What does 'giving up on our nation' even mean?

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

 

[ProIndividual]

I gave up on nations a long time ago...as nationalism leads to statism (as in nation states). Everyone would be better off if they gave up on nationalism and statism. Nationalism is just a pseudo-religion where the state is the false idol (and it demands blood sacrifice BTW)...and it's just a form of collectivism.

 

[cheapseats]

I gave up on nations a long time ago...as nationalism leads to statism (as in nation states).

Is it ONE WORLD ORDER you favor, or ANARCHY?

Everyone would be better off if they gave up on nationalism and statism.

Kumbaya, m'Lord, kumbaya.

Nationalism is just a pseudo-religion where the state is the false idol

By that logic, separate COMPANIES are false idols. Why not just ONE, BIG, HAPPY CORPORATION?

...(and it demands blood sacrifice BTW)...

The "State" does NOT demand blood sacrifices.

The PEOPLE leading/running/controlling the States/Companies are demanding them . . . AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE ACQUIESCING.

...and it's just a form of collectivism.

When ya git right down to it...SO IS HUMANITY.

 

[TruckinMike]

I gave up on nations a long time ago...as nationalism leads to statism (as in nation states). Everyone would be better off if they gave up on nationalism and statism. Nationalism is just a pseudo-religion where the state is the false idol (and it demands blood sacrifice BTW)...and it's just a form of collectivism.

Yes, and they knew that a long, long time ago. Socialist(s), Francis (and Edward) Bellamy understood that thoroughly.

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

[cheapseats]

I gave up on nations a long time ago...

Is it ONE WORLD ORDER you favor, or ANARCHY?

Is Ron Paul's RESTORE AMERICA angle fundamentally flawed? Shall we reject the premise and push to MERGE ALL COUNTRIES to "eliminate" divisions and animosities?

THIS is another debate y'all need to have.

'Cuz in the same way that some Ron Paul Supporters are swinging for Ron Paul PRIMARILY WITH AN EYE ON ADVANCING A CREW OF OTHER REPUBLICANS, some are swinging for Ron Paul STRICTLY to be freer to MAKE MORE MONEY (and otherwise do as they please).

Make no mistake, y'all gots some LIBERTINES jumbled up with yer LIBERTARIANS.

"The Market" is above 13,000. What would it be if you back out APPLE and CHINESE PURCHASES OF AMERICAN STUFF (notably cars and real estate) and DERIVATIVE SECURITIES (particularly #CreditDefaultSwaps)?

 

[azxd]

False hope exists everywhere.

 

[cheapseats]

False hope exists everywhere.

HOPE SPRINGS ETERNALLY.

Some is steeped in PLAN & PROBABILITY.

Some is steeped in WISHFUL THINKING.

 

[jayrehme]

OP

I disagree with the original post. It uses the same "scare" tactics as the current dictators. But yes, this country should and will strive for more freedom. The first law of thermodynamics states that entropy always increases, therefore the human race will always strive for more freedom.

 

[rideurlightning]

Unfortunately, many have already given up.

 

[cheapseats]

What does 'giving up on our nation' even mean?

"Path of least resistance" (which we are ON) portends GLOBAL HOMOGENEITY, with a tremendous (and tremendously "well" ordered) WORKER BEE POPULATION that lives/works/EXISTS chiefly to float the boats of Aristocracy (Rich) and Nobles (Officials), and to save the Abject Poor from drowning.

Not slaves, 'cuz they're gettin' paid minimum wages. Not serfs, no hope of satisfying/completing a required workload such that an industrious serf might GET AHEAD. A "modern" hybrid caste: SLERFS.

Wiki:

Serfdom is the status of peasants under feudalism, specifically relating to Manorialism. It was a condition of bondage or modified slavery which developed primarily during the High Middle Ages in Europe and lasted to the mid-19th century. Serfdom included the labor of serfs occupying a plot of land owned by a Lord of the Manor in return for protection and justice and the right to exploit certain fields within the manor to maintain their own subsistence.

Give it ALL to us . . . in our wisdom and benevolence, we will dole back as we see fit.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Unfortunately, many have already given up.

Can you blame them. Seems we cant take back the country by following the rule of law, since that rule only applies to us and not "THEM". So it appears more and more likely we will have to take it back by force.

 

[jayrehme]

Can you blame them. Seems we cant take back the country by following the rule of law, since that rule only applies to us and not "THEM". So it appears more and more likely we will have to take it back by force.

force is not needed.... just create an alternative. The only thing giving them power is their "money" and its perceived value over their brainwashed masses. We need to take them out at the knees by not supporting anything they offer and to continue spreading the message of freedom. Create and support only freedom loving services and products.

 

[cheapseats]

Can you blame them. Seems we cant take back the country by following the rule of law, since that rule only applies to us and not "THEM".

In my worldview, that INCLUDES trying to "beat 'em by joining 'em" in the Republican Party . . . read that, BY ALIGNING WITH THE FLIP SIDE OF THE COINAGE USED IN MONEYCHANGING IN THE TEMPLE OF MAN'S LORDSHIP OVER MAN.

 

[JK/SEA]

brb...i'll go make some coffee and sandwiches.

 

[zach]

what if everything you say doesn't come true? what if it's easier to be positive?

 

[SaulPaulinsky]

It's an important question. I've thought about where I would go if living here no longer was attractive.

 

[cheapseats]

what if everything you say doesn't come true? what if it's easier to be positive?

Then we all live happily ever after.

The End.

 

[TheGrinch]

what if everything you say doesn't come true? what if it's easier to be positive?

"What Happens if my concerns are completely unfounded? Nothing. But what happens if my concerns are justified and ignored? Nothing good."

-Dr. Ron Paul, What If speech

I don't know why it's not positive to remind people what the stakes are.... That's not negative, that's not fear-mongering. We ARE heading in a very dangerous and unsustainable direction, as Dr. Paul has been preaching for decades.

But seriously, nothing like a great post like this to bring a whole bunch of trolling and derailing comments. Either get on this train or GTFO, cuz we aren't stopping.