What Haiti Needs

[Oyate]

these honest libertarians are also infiltrated by a group of people whose politics are indistinguishable from that of the liberal wing of the Democrat Party.

Yeah that happens around here all the time.......as if. Oh but speaking of infiltration........

 

[Mini-Me]

I'm not malicious. Jose Angel Gutierrez is malicious.

Yes, I have no doubt that Jose Angel Gutierrez is quite malicious, and I'll call out minorities for their blatant racism when I see it too. I'm just not bothered to go looking for it or starting new threads about it. In contrast, racism from white people (I assume, unless it's a false flag op) is being posted right on the message board in front of me, and I'm certainly going to be damn suspicious about it all flaring up a few days before MLK day like it's an organized smear campaign by a political enemy or COINTELPRO or something.

I am what I am. I have posted these last few days, because it finally became just too much. watching a group of people, most of whom are honest libertarians, try to wriggle out of the inescapable conclusion that liberty is a European concept, which hs never been compatible with any other people, and never will be.

The philosophy of liberty did start in Europe, but I see absolutely no evidence to suggest it MUST stem from genetics, and there are just enough very non-European people on this very board to disprove your claim that liberty has never been compatible with non-Europeans.

As far as your "and never will be" comment: If you have a crystal ball, let me know about what stocks it's picking.

these honest libertarians are also infiltrated by a group of people whose politics are indistinguishable from that of the liberal wing of the Democrat Party.

Who would that be? I need you to be a little more specific, because the only infiltration I'm seeing is from government ops and Stormfront...and/or liberal or neocon trolls pretending to be part of the latter group.

If you think anyone's politics here are even remotely like ANY sitting Democrat's, then it's obvious you have complete tunnel vision on issues of race and immigration...because I see literally nobody here anymore who's anywhere near a socialist.

You are living in a country where a combination of government and "Peer pressure" has made you some the most un-free people in the world, and you don't even know it. You are scared to death to talk realistically about what is going on in your country, fearing an epithet. Then, when faced with facts, you hurl the epithet yourself, being devoid of countering facts.

This is actually true in part, but sometimes a spade is just a spade, and a racist is just a racist, and the "racist" epithet works as an apt description, despite its absurd overuse and abuse by the left and the Defamation League as a political club.

Personally, I don't care if you're a racist, as long as you don't advocate violence or coercive force against people. You can be as racist as you want. If it floats your boat, you can masturbate to starving Haitians eating mud pies and stacking the bodies of dead Haitians, and you can laugh and scream hysterically about how much better your race is right before you climax all over your pointy white hat, and you can put the hat on your head and sit back in smug self-satisfaction, and I really won't care.

However, if you're going to sit here and spam Ron Paul Forums - which has nothing to do with white nationalism, of all things - with a whole bunch of inflammatory racial comments alongside a goblin horde of a hundred 10-post noobs doing the same thing right before MLK day, I'm going to call you out for it. Do you know why? It's because that's not what this movement is about, and the left plays the "guilt by association" game, and I'm sick and tired of one-issue trolls legitimizing the excuses leftists give for ignoring us and flinging the "racist" epithet at us. Like almost everyone else here, I shouldn't have to put up with that crap, because - guess what - I'm actually not a racist.

Yes, white people are held to a way higher standard than anyone else when it comes to socially acceptable racial attitudes, and that needs to change someday, but you know what? We have way, WAY more important things to worry about than that right now anyway, like educating people about the threat of statist power-grabs. Plus, when we do find time to address double-standards and hypocrisy, it'll be time to hold everyone else to the high standard demanded of white people, rather than sink to the lowest common denominator of collectivist chest-beating we can possibly muster. If you disagree, maybe the white nationalist movement is more up your alley than this one?

Contrast the behavior of PC Americans with that of FREE Israelis: Ynet news, an Israeli site has an article on Haiti. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3834878,00.html

the first response to the article is worth a read. It says: "1. Giving money to a failed state is like

pissing money down the toilet.

Stop playing the game you want to save the world.

Yesterday a one year old Jewish child suffered a severe injury in Israel thanks to those you love to have pity on.(Arab terrorists)

Charity begins at home.

Stop playing the save the world" putz and start looking after your own.

As far as those dumb wade Israelis looking for adventure in the shit holes of the world..tell them in no uncertain words they are on their own.

You owe them nothing...Look after your own."
Al (01.15.10)

If a "Free" American posted the same thing here, he would be in a heap of trouble.

Huh? That comment was nothing compared to what has been said in this thread and a few others, and when it comes to Arabs, making snide remarks about Arab terrorists is a spectator sport on Fox News.

 

[Oyate]

when it comes to Arabs, making snide remarks about Arab terrorists is a spectator sport on Fox News.

Yeah and it's always appropriate on a thread about Haiti LOL. They don't have much in the way of scripting do they?

 

[prophet]

The philosophy of liberty did start in Europe, but I see absolutely no evidence to suggest it MUST stem from genetics, and there are just enough very non-European people on this very board to disprove your claim that liberty has never been compatible with non-Europeans.

Compared to the two RP rallies and the RP Barbecue I attended, the number of "very non-European people on this very board," is so high that it should raise the thought of infiltration in you mind.

Who would that be? I need you to be a little more specific, because the only infiltration I'm seeing is from government ops and Stormfront...and/or liberal or neocon trolls pretending to be part of the latter group.

If you think anyone's politics here are even remotely like ANY sitting Democrat's, then it's obvious you have complete tunnel vision on issues of race and immigration...because I see literally nobody here anymore who's anywhere near a socialist.

This is the paradox I am talking about here. I could fill a thread with quotes form Dr. Paul's colleagues who are members of the "Black Caucus," calling him and his movement "Racist." Yet the racial views of many on this board, including some of the mods, is absolutely indistinguishable from that of the Balck Caucus.

You can call me names every time I post facts you can't refute, but that does not change the fact that, as long as you oppose welfare and affirmative action, you and your movement are, by definition, "Racist," and both Dr. Paul and this movement will be so branded.

As long as Dr. Paul opposes wars for Israel and aid to Israel, he will be an "Anti-semite."

When the little Jew down the street calls someone an "Anti-semite," it means little, but when a Jew of the standing of Ben Stein calls Dr. Paul an anti-semite on national TV, then, for better or worse, that is what he is in the mind of the sheeple.

I don't think this board should be "Blatantly racist." It would be counter-productive and a disservice to Dr. Paul, given his own baggage in that regard. But the total denial of all racial truth is a little much. It makes us a laughingstock in the eyes of the enemies of liberty.

Now, I will let you rest for a few days, and enjoy your Holiday---which, BTW, Dr. Paul OPPOSED!

 

[Oyate]

the number of "very non-European people on this very board," is so high that it should raise the thought of infiltration in you mind.

Freedom is popular, it's open to all people. 'Fraid yer gonna have to get used to it.

 

[Danke]

opps

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[Mini-Me]

Compared to the two RP rallies and the RP Barbecue I attended, the number of "very non-European people on this very board," is so high that it should raise the thought of infiltration in you mind.

I have my own thoughts as to what infiltration looks like. What the heck would any enemy of liberty have to gain from "infiltrating" us by pretending to be liberty-loving minorities anyway?

This is the paradox I am talking about here. I could fill a thread with quotes form Dr. Paul's colleagues who are members of the "Black Caucus," calling him and his movement "Racist." Yet the racial views of many on this board, including some of the mods, is absolutely indistinguishable from that of the Balck Caucus.

You can call me names every time I post facts you can't refute, but that does not change the fact that, as long as you oppose welfare and affirmative action, you and your movement are, by definition, "Racist," and both Dr. Paul and this movement will be so branded.

As long as Dr. Paul opposes wars for Israel and aid to Israel, he will be an "Anti-semite."

When the little Jew down the street calls someone an "Anti-semite," it means little, but when a Jew of the standing of Ben Stein calls Dr. Paul an anti-semite on national TV, then, for better or worse, that is what he is in the mind of the sheeple.

I don't think this board should be "Blatantly racist." It would be counter-productive and a disservice to Dr. Paul, given his own baggage in that regard. But the total denial of all racial truth is a little much. It makes us a laughingstock in the eyes of the enemies of liberty.

Now, I will let you rest for a few days, and enjoy your Holiday---which, BTW, Dr. Paul OPPOSED!

Thank you for a much more reasonable post. I now kind of regret spending all that time editing my post above (after you responded) to be much more of a jerk about everything, but I'll still let it stand in light of previous posts.

Here's the thing: You say that the Black Caucus won't hesitate to call Ron Paul a racist, and the racial views of everyone on this board are the same as theirs, and yet...pretty much everyone here supports Ron Paul and is not calling him a racist. One of your above statements is necessarily untrue, because there's a contradiction.

I oppose welfare because I oppose theft and extortion (and because I have a basic grasp of economics and moral hazard). I oppose affirmation action first and foremost because I oppose state coercion against freely contracting individuals (and for economic reasons), and I also oppose it because it's blatantly racist and mocks the idea of both a meritocracy and a free country. Not only do I oppose foreign aid in general, but I ESPECIALLY oppose foreign aid to Israel, because their government's undue influence over US foreign policy and manipulation of US politics royally pisses me off. I refer to the Defamation League by its true name, and I'll be laughing a maniacal victory laugh when everyone else starts doing the same thing.

So, yes, a lot of people on the left (and neocons) will call me a racist, but I'm fine with them calling me racist for those reasons. In this case, it's easy to demonstrate that they're either being intellectual dishonest manipulators or absurdly illogical children who are lashing out emotionally in fear of being wrong. Even remotely receptive people will be able to discern the difference here between honest accusations of racism and transparent political smears.

However, I'm NOT fine with potentially receptive - but still timid - people honestly thinking Ron Paul supporters are racists and being afraid to listen to a word we say, because of guilt by association with outrageous trolls. I genuinely dislike collectivist judgments in general, but what I'm really concerned about is people coming here and making disgusting insinuations that black people are inherently stupid savages or something of that nature, and letting it go unchecked long enough for people to think it's representative of what liberty-advocates stand for. I'm not going to throw someone in a gulag or go over their house and handcuff their hands to a pole far away from their keyboard, but I'm not going to sit in silence either.

 

[Promontorium]

Excellent question, I can see you are worth explaining this too.

First some background. I've been studying genetics, race and cultures for a long time. I was part of the Free Tibet movement and I've actually met the Dali Lama in McLeod Ganj in India where I taught in a monestary. I've spent a lot of my life living in other people's nations (and never in the military). I certainly don't think my culture is superior to anyone elses. But I've learned that "culture" is simply a macro-genetic expression of the people in the society. The ant makes the ant-hill, so to speak, not the other way around.

So why do I put a high "price" on genetics as a driver of behavior...the science. Identical twin testing reveals that your genes play at least as big of a role as the environment in what you become. We can SEE it in height and weight....but it has been proven that criminals that are adopted by law-abiding families still are likely to become criminals. You would be amazed at how many other things our genetics controls. At the macro level these behaviors are expressed as "culture".

To your other question: do I identify with my race? Definately, why would I deny a part of myself? That will happen to you to if you spend enough time as a minority (as I have). I am I supremacist? No, I wouldn't be so interested in travel if that were the case. I believe every race is worthy of self-determination (yes, even people who are white).

Finally (and I in no way expect you to be able to understand this) the entire Liberty Movement is a European American civil rights movement (yet some deny it even to themselves). Almost everyone without exception involved at the rallies is white, even in "diverse" places like Austin Texas. We talk about issues in which minorities are rarely interested. We say liberty is for everybody but no one else gives a shit or they would be at the rallies. Same for anti-gun control, free market, etc.

It will become obvious to everyone eventually as the media villifies us for being nazis. There is no other explaination for why liberty is so "white". you've been educated to believe that everything white is bad. The media is going to show you over and over again that the liberty movement is white (and this is always negative in the media).

This is my purpose for being on the board. I realize that the only thing that can sink the liberty movement is the white guilt complex most people who are white h have. The media will call Ron Paul a racist if he is about to win. They will call him a six-million-jew-hating-nazi and people who are white will not support him and turn their back on him like a leper, unless people see throught the bullshit. And if we can't even see through the bullshit on this board, we're screwed. This is our one weakness. We have to get ready for this QUICKLY and we are making progress. I'm very happy to see this issue discuss on the board.

There is no such thing as white. Your premise is faulty, and therefore everything you conclude is and will continue to be invariably wrong.

 

[Joseph de Maistre]

This is actually true in part, but sometimes a spade is just a spade, and a racist is just a racist, and the "racist" epithet works as an apt description, despite its absurd overuse and abuse by the left and the Defamation League as a political club.

Personally, I don't care if you're a racist, as long as you don't advocate violence or coercive force against people. You can be as racist as you want. If it floats your boat, you can masturbate to starving Haitians eating mud pies and stacking the bodies of dead Haitians, and you can laugh and scream hysterically about how much better your race is right before you climax all over your pointy white hat, and you can put the hat on your head and sit back in smug self-satisfaction, and I really won't care.

It's all well and good to lambaste someone for being a "racist" when you've got the government on your side. Fact is: you're just doing what you're told.

The government is the dog owner and you're the pet: "Yes, good boy! Call that poster a racist every time he shows you a quote you don't like!"

See what happens when you support a position that the government doesn't allow. I went to public school, where I learned MLK is a hero to all men and that Washington and Jefferson were no good SOBs. I've been indoctrinated my entire life into that line of crap.

So, you're really just doing what you're told. Don't try to pretend that when you call someone a racist, it's different than when Al Sharpton does it. It's not - you're just doing tricks for your master, and you're not a free man, as a result.

 

[Dunedain]

There is no such thing as white. Your premise is faulty, and therefore everything you conclude is and will continue to be invariably wrong.

I agree that if you don't understand what white is you aren't going to understand the rest of my post.

Whites are the indigeous people of Europe. I'm not sure how that is very complicated to figure out and observe for yourself.

 

[prophet]

There is no such thing as white. Your premise is faulty, and therefore everything you conclude is and will continue to be invariably wrong.

You obviously have a taxonomic problem that is not shared by the most important people who share your views on race.

The following people do not agree with you. They know there is a White Race, and they state very clearly their plans for it:

"We have an aging white America ... They are dying ...We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.".... Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas

"Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California." -- Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party

"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave." -- Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown,

“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.”--- Mary Frances Berry, Chairman, US Commission on Civil Rights.

When I quote their words here, I am called "Inflammatory."

These statements are not from some anonymous poster on the internet. They are from people who have the poser to inflict real damage on the objects of their racial hatreds.

If you will take the time to go here: http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=3943 you can hear the man who has the power to send folks to the gulag hold forth on the subject.

In response to questions from Senators Sessions and Coburn, the Attorney General of the United States made it clear that his new "Hate law" would NOT protect White men. Holder made it clear that if a white Gentile male, including a serviceman or police officer, was the victim of a violent hate crime by any minority he would have to find redress from traditional law. Listen here, at 58.30-61 minutes (Sessions) and 71.30-5 minutes (Coburn).

It would be great if those in power had the same difficulty you have in identifying us, but, unfortunately for us, they have no such problem.

If there is a problem of "Racists"here, it is that many posters share the views of those who now hold government power, and hurl epithets at anyone who cites their attacks on the life, liberty and property of the unfavored group.

This forum is supposed to be about liberty. I am a member of a racial group that is
now a minority in my state(Texas). The leaders of the group that constitutes the next largest cohort---actually larger if illegal invaders are counted, has made it crystal clear that they intend to deprive me and my posterity of the liberty that our founders bequeathed me, and a forum ostensibly dedicated to the preservation of liberty says that any reference to the threat is "Inflammatory." Beam me up!

 

[Joseph de Maistre]

There is no such thing as white.

This is like Nathan Hale saying "there is no such thing as an American" while he was being strung up by the British. Somehow, I don't think that statement would have been a very memorable pronouncement from the gallows.

If that makes you feel good about yourself while you're being completely dispossessed, great - I find it to be a relatively impotent response to these attacks on our liberties. Certainly, it is a response not in keeping with the traditions of western man going back two thousand years.

I know I sure as hell won't stand for it. And I know a long line of Americans wouldn't have allowed this either. I stand with the Founders.

 

[Met Income]

This is like Nathan Hale saying "there is no such thing as an American" while he was being strung up by the British. Somehow, I don't think that statement would have been a very memorable pronouncement from the gallows.

If that makes you feel good about yourself while you're being completely dispossessed, great - I find it to be a relatively impotent response to these attacks on our liberties. Certainly, it is a response not in keeping with the traditions of western man going back two thousand years.

I know I sure as hell won't stand for it. And I know a long line of Americans wouldn't have allowed this either. I stand with the Founders.

I possess myself. My ancestors don't possess me.

 

[Joseph de Maistre]

My ancestors don't possess me.

"Before you tear down a wall, learn why it was built in the first place."

Our ancestors built walls for an express purpose, and some of us think we know why they did, but we really do not. I could sit here and tear down those walls by saying that my ancestors were simply no-good bigots, and I know better than they did. I have all the answers. And the answer is: there is no such thing as nation. Borders are fake lines. And I am nothing more than who I wish to be.

Famously, Aeneas escapes Troy with his father Anchises on his back and his son Ascanius by his side.

This act symbolized to Romans the importance of one's ancestors, and paying homage to them - it wasn't simply an act of saving his father. The Romans had house gods that represented their ancestors - they worshipped them.

This is a strong vein in western history, that has more recently been demolished by agents of the Left. We owe something to our ancestors.

 

[Electric Church]

genuinely dislike collectivist judgments in general

Here's my collective judgement:

Vast majority of Ron Paul supporters (99.99999999%) are like Ron Paul: they are not racists

However, after viewing all the racist threads and racist comments I've come to the conclusion that this forum is administered by racists, moderated by racists and infested with racists.

It would give me pleasure to be banned from a racist forum for making such a claim.

 

[Joseph de Maistre]

Here's my collective judgement:

Vast majority of Ron Paul supporters (99.99999999%) are like Ron Paul: they are not racists

Did Rasmussen give you that figure?

 

[ladyjade3]

Haiti needs to stop being gutted by people like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bertrand_Aristide

Haiti would be better off with NO leaders than leaders like this.

 

[Dunedain]

Vast majority of Ron Paul supporters (99.99999999%) are like Ron Paul: they are not racists

Racist is in the eye of the beholder. Ron Paul is the leader of a neo-KKK movement according to the media. You are a racist simply for posting here in their eyes.

Please explain why you aren't racist.

 

[BlackTerrel]

It's always some excuse or another. African-Americans say they are living in poverty because they were in slavery for most of their existence here, despite opportunity given to them afterward. Haitians don't have this excuse, they killed all the whites and took their country for themselves. They had every opportunity to create a prosperous nation, but have simply failed to do so.

So what is the reason for the poverty then? Explain your view.

 

[BlackTerrel]

If these racists would have said things like this about Jews, especially if an earthquake in Israel just killed 50,000 of them, they would have been banned after one post. But they've been spewing this vile for days.

This says a lot about this entire forum, don't it?

The same posters you're talking about make negative comments about Jews all the time. Read some of their posting history.