What effect would a PA win have?

[LibertyIn08]

What exactly is a "rump convention"?

-n

Something that would not be good for the party, to be honest.

Most famous rump convention? 1860 DNC

As for the ads in PA, we're talking about running the 3D ad throughout the state, and perhaps nation-wide, in another thread.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

You claim that the convention has no effect because they broke a rule, and you hold your own.

Can we do that?

Broke a rule on what level? - Who would have to break a rule and have they already?

By hold your own - do you mean take over that convention or abandon it and schedule another?

how exactly does that work and would it be honored?

-n

 

[nate895]

Can we do that?

Broke a rule on what level? - Who would have to break a rule and have they already?

By hold your own - do you mean take over that convention or abandon it and schedule another?

how exactly does that work and would it be honored?

-n

If they accept delegates from Louisiana, we have enough ammunition for a rump convention.

I mean abandon it and do another, right then and next door.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

yes.. but it needs to come from the campaign.

I'll donate if they specifically say the money will go to running ads in PA. Otherwise if grassroots says "we're going to dump a bunch of cash on you" and the campaign doesn't have a clue what to do with it and just hordes it.. then there's a huge disconnect of intentions and I'm not interested.

Ron Paul keeps saying he'll stay in the race as long as there is support and the money keeps coming in. But... people aren't donating much anymore. An "advertise in PA" moneybomb would show people still care.

It looks like the fundraising director doesn't work there anymore... not that he had much of anything to do with the money bombs.

-n

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Something that would not be good for the party, to be honest.

Most famous rump convention? 1860 DNC

As for the ads in PA, we're talking about running the 3D ad throughout the state, and perhaps nation-wide, in another thread.

The party needs to be taught a lesson!

-n

 

[LibertyIn08]

It looks like the fund raising director doesn't work there anymore... not that he had much of anything to do with the money bombs.

-n

We should do this through one of the PACs anyways; more community oversight, and more likely, more effective.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

If they accept delegates from Louisiana, we have enough ammunition for a rump convention.

I mean abandon it and do another, right then and next door.

WOOT! - OH YEAH!, I hope this happens!

-n

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

So is there anything in the GOP rules that allows a rump convention? Or do people just walk out?

-n

 

[jblosser]

Rumping the national convention makes little sense to me since I'm not sure who would be expected to honor the result. The national convention picks a nominee that the state and county parties submit to their local election offices for the ballot, so I guess it would be them.

 

[nate895]

Rumping the national convention makes little sense to me since I'm not sure who would be expected to honor the result. The national convention picks a nominee that the state and county parties submit to their local election offices for the ballot, so I guess it would be them.

Hopefully we control them at that point in many states.

 

[nate895]

So is there anything in the GOP rules that allows a rump convention? Or do people just walk out?

-n

You have to make motions to follow the rules, then you walk out.

 

[GoPaul08]

1. Pa is not a blue state. We are purple, could go either way in national.

2. We have huge amounts of support and organizatoin in pa. We are in this for a win. Picking up 75%+ of the delegates is not out of the question, although maybe about 50% is more realistic.

3. I Just recieved word that the campaign is cutting off funding to pa. I also hear they are closing the alexandria office 3 weeks before our primary. Thanks guys.

Haven't we all heard this before though? The same "McCain's supporters won't bother voting so we can take Mississippi" argument? Hate to bring the reality back again, but it just doesn't work like that. Again...how many of you are even old enough to remember juts ONE other primary season? EVERY YEAR the guy who clinches the nomination pretty much sweeps the rest of hte primaries. Becuase the voters in the other state DON'T stay home as much you are are hoping for. They still want their votes heard.

Agai...you will NEVER get people to listen to what you have to say if you make it cler that you refuse to accept reality. Tell me..why should anyone take you seriously when you are still saying that there is a "good" chance of winning the nomination?

And...when McCain easily sails past 1191, think about how THAT will hurt your credibility for hte future. IS this just a one year thing for you? Are you just in it to make a tiny splash in 2008, or are you in it for the long term? Because whenever you try to talk about politics from November on...all people have to do to take you down a few nothces is to point to now when you were saying how "John McCain is in for the surprise of his life when all these delegates vote against him."

Sorry guys, but you do FAR more harm than good to the movement. May be harsh way toi put it, but it is true. You are not helping. you are hurting.

 

[Working Poor]

It is a very conservative, older state with traditional values ... full of people who support the Bush Foreign Policy.

Then Ron ought to do very well in PA being that he is a conservative....

 

[Banana]

Sorry guys, but you do FAR more harm than good to the movement. May be harsh way toi put it, but it is true. You are not helping. you are hurting.

How is busting our ass all the way to get our people elected/selected as delegate hurting the movement?


You're basically telling us that if it's 42-0 and fourth quarter with five minutes and counting, we should just quit? Funny that, because I can't think of such football game where they did just that. Not one. Not in any leagues or professional.



You're also forgetting that winning isn't binary- there are other way to win; a strong showing at convention could influence the party to re-discover its conservative roots and pave the way for RPRs to claim more victories in next cycles. Quitting right now only mean that they will have to work even harder, and that's kind of sucky, don't you think?

 

[Midnight77]

Then Ron ought to do very well in PA being that he is a conservative....

In theory, yes. But the problem is when there is a breakdown in communication, as I am willing to bet you that very few people in Pennsylvania actually know what Paul stands for. And even worse, those folks are Neocons who approve of the Bush Foreign Policy.

The Republican Party has been hijacked by Neocons and that is who makes up the Voter base, because they are just too stupid to realize when they are being lied to.

So, expecting a win in Pennsylvania is not realistic, whatsoever.

 

[brandon]

Haven't we all heard this before though? The same "McCain's supporters won't bother voting so we can take Mississippi" argument? Hate to bring the reality back again, but it just doesn't work like that. Again...how many of you are even old enough to remember juts ONE other primary season? EVERY YEAR the guy who clinches the nomination pretty much sweeps the rest of hte primaries. Becuase the voters in the other state DON'T stay home as much you are are hoping for. They still want their votes heard.

Agai...you will NEVER get people to listen to what you have to say if you make it cler that you refuse to accept reality. Tell me..why should anyone take you seriously when you are still saying that there is a "good" chance of winning the nomination?

And...when McCain easily sails past 1191, think about how THAT will hurt your credibility for hte future. IS this just a one year thing for you? Are you just in it to make a tiny splash in 2008, or are you in it for the long term? Because whenever you try to talk about politics from November on...all people have to do to take you down a few nothces is to point to now when you were saying how "John McCain is in for the surprise of his life when all these delegates vote against him."

Sorry guys, but you do FAR more harm than good to the movement. May be harsh way toi put it, but it is true. You are not helping. you are hurting.

wow asshole, way to completely not understand what is going on. First of all, us winning the delegates in pa does not rely on the mccain supporters staying home. If you took 5 minutes to look into our delegate process or read any of my other posts regarding pa you would realize this.

2nd, how dare you tell me I am hurting the movement by spending huge amounts of time gathering signatures, filing nomination petitions, and canvasing? If everyone who supported Ron Paul put as much work into this campaign as I have we would be winning the nomination right now.

3rd, when did I ever say Paul had a "good" chance of winning? Usually when you quote someone, they actually said what you are quoting.

and finally, OF COURSE THIS IS MORE THEN A ONE YEAR THING. Thats why we are trying to get the delegates dumbass. They do more then just vote for Ron Paul.

gtfo troll

 

[brandon]

So, expecting a win in Pennsylvania is not realistic, whatsoever.

I'm glad you can give such a clear analysis of the probablity of winning PA from 3000 miles away. I'm sure everyone here will trust your opinion over mine seeing as how you are so much more intimately involved with the situation in pa then I am. Please continue to post updates about where we stand in pa so I can stay informed.



/sarcasm

 

[polexi]

Sorry but we're full of McCain war mongers. I think he'll have a good showing (there is also a fair amount of RP support) but the majority won't vote for Ron.

 

[Midnight77]

I'm glad you can give such a clear analysis of the probablity of winning PA from 3000 miles away. I'm sure everyone here will trust your opinion over mine seeing as how you are so much more intimately involved with the situation in pa then I am. Please continue to post updates about where we stand in pa so I can stay informed.



/sarcasm

I think I told you that I lived in Maryland for 30 years and worked in Pennsylvania quite frequently interacting with the people up there. And I stand by my comments. No, we will not come anywhere close to winning Pennsylvania. I dare say we can expect perhaps 5% of the vote ... if that.

And as far as you being involved in PA, my young friend ... you are involved in your own world of Make Believe and False Reality. You are surrounded by a few, and you are actually arrogant enough to think the few people you have discourse with represents the majority of the state.

You are in denial. I don't know what else to tell you. Paul is not viewed as being electable, and that is why he hasn't won a single state. And the rest of the states have simply followed suit. And you seem to think for some strange reason that Pennsylvania is going to be the "turning point" of the Campaign.

No, I can clearly see why so many people laugh at some of Dr. Paul's supporters. Because clearly they live in their own little universe in the Land of Make Believe. And you are only embarrassing yourself by continuing this False Hope Brigade for everyone.

Reality bites. It bites some quicker than it does others. So, we'll wait and see what happens after Pennsylvania. Somehow I don't think you are confident enough to bet money on a Dr. Paul victory there.

 

[brandon]

I think I told you that I lived in Maryland for 30 years and worked in Pennsylvania quite frequently interacting with the people up there. And I stand by my comments. No, we will not come anywhere close to winning Pennsylvania. I dare say we can expect perhaps 5% of the vote ... if that.

And as far as you being involved in PA, my young friend ... you are involved in your own world of Make Believe and False Reality. You are surrounded by a few, and you are actually arrogant enough to think the few people you have discourse with represents the majority of the state.

You are in denial. I don't know what else to tell you. Paul is not viewed as being electable, and that is why he hasn't won a single state. And the rest of the states have simply followed suit. And you seem to think for some strange reason that Pennsylvania is going to be the "turning point" of the Campaign.

No, I can clearly see why so many people laugh at some of Dr. Paul's supporters. Because clearly they live in their own little universe in the Land of Make Believe. And you are only embarrassing yourself by continuing this False Hope Brigade for everyone.

Reality bites. It bites some quicker than it does others. So, we'll wait and see what happens after Pennsylvania. Somehow I don't think you are confident enough to bet money on a Dr. Paul victory there.

Did you see my post a couple pages back where I said McCain will win the popular vote in a landslide? Did you see where I said this doesnt matter?

Getting 5% of the popular vote is completely irrelevant.

Since you seem to know so much about pa, care to tell me how the delegates are elected?

I never said anything like PA is going to be a "turning point." You and that other guy sure love to put words into my mouth. Both of you need to take some remedial english classes to learn the proper use of quotations. All I ever said was we have a good chance of winning the majority of delegates in PA. Do you think that is a worthy thing to pursue?

Also, my young friend, could you try to be just a little bit less condescending in your replies?