What Duncan Delegate said about Ron Paul Supporters at Nevada Convention...Thoughts?

[wgadget]

While I agree with you, Pauline Disciple, in some states we RPers don't have the majority, or aren't sure if we have the majority if it's close. A vote saying to throw out the chairman might not bode well in these cases for the rest of the convention...It's a little more tricky than you say.

 

[jasonhlasvegas2008]

This is why the first thing we did at the district convention was to vote in a new chairman. I am suprised that voting in a new chairman wasn't the first thing our delegates did at the NV state convention??? What were they thinking???

State Senator Bob Beers is a very popular politician. He is even popular among the ranks of the Ron Paul supporters. At the beginning of the convention it would have been impossible to vote him out. Also, one of the people sitting at the front row noticed that it seemed he was being pressured to end the meeting for about 30 minutes leading up to the illegal recess.

 

[mczerone]

State Senator Bob Beers is a very popular politician. He is even popular among the ranks of the Ron Paul supporters.

I think you mean "was" popular among Ron Paul supporters.

 

[Cinderella]

so when will u all meet again to decide the delegates??

 

[PaulineDisciple]

While I agree with you, Pauline Disciple, in some states we RPers don't have the majority, or aren't sure if we have the majority if it's close. A vote saying to throw out the chairman might not bode well in these cases for the rest of the convention...It's a little more tricky than you say.

I would still put it high on the agenda list, maybe you can test the water with the platform amendment on the war to see how much support you have, this amendment seems to be the one that draws the line between Ron Paul supporters and the rest of the Republicans. If it passes, assume you have the numbers and go for it.

Another motion that can act as a test of your numbers is the rule change to unbind delegates but this would only work in states that currently have them bound.

One of the reason why we were successful at our caucus was the fact that we studies the rules, practiced and brainstormed for weeks before the caucus. Although you could always get a real jerk that ignores the rules but you would think that if you make it obvious to the rank and file party members what their leadership is doing that there would be future blow-back expected for their actions.

 

[deadserious]

maybe you can test the water with the platform amendment on the war to see how much support you have, this amendment seems to be the one that draws the line between Ron Paul supporters and the rest of the Republicans. If it passes, assume you have the numbers and go for it.

We already passed that in our platform IIRC. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.

Our platform was very paul-oriented. For example, it included repeal of the patriot act and the federal reserve.

 

[Kade]

I was there and also have plenty of video tape of the events. You can read my accounts of the events on my blog http://jasonsouthwell.com. No videos posted yet, but written accounts are there.



I was sitting on the floor and had a McCain sticker on my lapel. About a half hour before the convention recessed, we saw people starting to leave and recognized most if not all were McCain people. One in particular sitting right in front of me came up to his buddy and said, "We're leaving so they don't have a quorum".

About 5 minutes later a woman came up to me and said, you are a McCain supporter right?

I said, why do you ask? She said, nevermind you must be for Ron Paul. I said, wait a minute... I just want to know why you are asking. She saw my lapel and said "ok... listen... These Ron Paul Bastards are taking over the convention. If we let this go on they are going to win all of the delegates. We can't let that happen. We need to leave now." I asked if that was really fair and she replied, "fair? The bastards are going to win... We have to leave so they don't get a quorum." She then left and we sat there in disbelief. A non Ron Paul guy was sitting next to us and couldn't believe that just happened. A little later she came back and said... "Look we have to leave now. Right now." We didn't of course, but it was just a minute or two later Mr. Beers announced a recess and ran from the room.

When recess was announced, people across the convention floor stood up and started booing. Not one threat was yelled that I could hear... just boos. It was the Ron Paul clark county organizer who later announced that Bob Beers was threatened and had to leave with security. It was not stated that it was a Ron Paul guy that threatened him, but apparently people who heard that assumed it was since Brian made the announcement.

I can say for certain that there were plenty of McCain people left in the crowd that thought what was happening was BS as I was sitting next to several.

Incredible story.

To the rest of RPF:

Wow. You guys are awesome.

I may be the contrarian here, but I like what you guys did in Nevada, that is my kind of style.

 

[wowabunga]

There will be no more Nevada votes... according to the "word on the street". McCain had a rep at the Nevada convention and the convention ended as per the top wished. And yes the word on the street is that all states must send McCain Delegates or send NO Delegates.

How can they do that... well it's their sandbox... well it's their rules. I can hear the main GOP excuse being that "too many delegates just can't afford to travel and attend.... cry cry cry." Recognize how they will easily use our arguments and twist and contort them. With the media harping endlessly over the "raccous" Ron Paul supporters ( reguardless of our videos showing the real deal ) and as McZerone posted here we don't control the media so don't expect much in that department.

How will we prevail ? We the people, are the RIGHTFUL OWNERS of the land under that sandbox... this is our country as well. As Jefferson said our best insurance is to wake up the people... educate them. As McZerone posted we must win minds and hearts and earn popular sympathy.

"To advertise when trade is dull
Is useless, don't you see?
I advertise each day,
and trade Is never dull with me."
- Printers' Ink, (January 9, 1895), vol. 12, p. 44.​

Yesterday I handed out lit at the State Capitol in Missouri: 10am was the gun rights group, and at noon was the bikers rights crowd. Today I'm handing out literature to the pro peace crew who stands along the main intersection here in town at rush hour. Become the media.... word of mouth rocks.

 

[angelatc]

I have to agree and after attending our Nevada State Convention this weekend and NOT electing ANY DELEGATES to the National Convention, I have even more reason to agree! The Ron Paul supporters tried to overrun our convention and take control.

What's with this "our" convention stuff? Somehow, I don't think she's including you in that! ANd politics is all about winning control. If she isn't ready for that, then she's delusional.

 

[pepperpete1]

While I agree with your sentiment, and wish it to be fair, it is the sad truth that the Party Loyalists have the power to make and change the rules, and then form public opinion that they were just acting 'to defend the party from nut-jobs'. They can make and change the rules at will, and we are screwed until we have the power

Party Rules
The Rules Of The Republican Party As adopted by the 2004 Republican National Convention August 30, 2004

BE IT RESOLVED, That the Republican Party is the party of the open door. Ours is the party of liberty, the party of equality of opportunity for all and favoritism for none.

It is the intent and purpose of these rules to encourage and allow the broadest possible participation of all voters in Republican Party activities at all levels and to assure that the Republican Party is open and accessible to all Americans.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the following be and hereby are adopted as the Rules of the Republican Party, comprised of the rules for the election and government of the Republican National Committee until the next national convention, the rules under which delegates and alternate delegates shall be allotted to the respective states in the next national convention and the rules under which such delegates and alternate delegates shall be elected and under which contests shall be considered, and the rules of business of this national convention.

Rules 1-5
Rules 6-10
Rules 11-20
Rules 21-30
Rules 31-41

Correct me if I am wrong, but I read the above to mean that the rules will not be changed until they are voted on at the following national election.

I say hurrah to Louisiana (and the campaign) for challenging the rules and laws there.
Hurrah to the Texans who are contesting county meetings being closed to the public.
Hurrah to Debbie Hopper for all of her work in challenging the Missouri State Executive GOP Director, and filing her challenges.

What happened to your thoughts, (paraphrasing here), The GOP must be held to the strictest standards in regulation and oversight by the people. And no matter the internal structure, there must be record keeping, fair promoting practices. Also, hearings and meetings must be open to the public.

Ok, so say we challenge the breaking of the rules, and the higher powers (RNC) do not rule in our favor, what do we lose? Nothing less than what we would have,if we had said or done nothing.

By challenging them, we are getting it on the record, that they have done this or done that. It was not just allowed!

After doing all we can to keep them on the straight and narrow we can lick our wounds if needs be, but not until then.