What does "Intelligent Design" even mean?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

No, you may not ask. Answer the questions!

What questions?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Again, why are you so hung up on Darwin? He really doesnt matter at all.
< ROFLMAO >


Go to college and major in Aerospace Engineering. I guarantee it, you will not hear one mention of the Wright Brothers outside of a History of Flight class.
Trade school? Job training? I assumed that you were getting an education. My bad. Explains a whole lot.

BTW, answer the questions.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

"Origin of Species" is about well, origin of species. ( Tsk, tsk.

origin of species

not origin of life

 

[Truth Warrior]

What questions?

All of the ones you still continue to ignore, for whatever bizarre reasons.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

BTW, answer the questions.

1. I have been out of school for a long time

2. Aerospace Engineering is not something you learn at "trade school". people go to MIT to study that.

3. I do not study Aeropsace Engineering. I was using it as an example.

4. Says the guy who got his doctorate in "Bible Mythology"

Doctorate in in the Bible is about as awesome as getting a degree in French Poetry of the 14th century.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Answer the question. Where is the peer reviewed scientific exploration into Intelligent Design?

 

[Truth Warrior]

origin of species

not origin of life

Abiogenesis is about life origins, a whole other can of worms.

Macro evolution is about species, hence the title of Darwin's book concerning same. I sure hope you're taking notes on all of this.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, answer the questions.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Answer the question. Where is the peer reviewed scientific exploration into Intelligent Design?

Your turn!

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Abiogenesis is about life origins, a whole other can of worms.

Macro evolution is about species, hence the title of Darwin's book concerning same. I sure hope you're taking notes on all of this.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, answer the questions.

Answer the questions.

Where is the scientific peer reviewed research into Intelligent Design?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Where is the scientific peer reviewed research into Intelligent Design?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Where is the scientific peer reviewed research of Intelligent Design?

 

[Truth Warrior]

1. I have been out of school for a long time

2. Aerospace Engineering is not something you learn at "trade school". people go to MIT to study that.

3. I do not study Aeropsace Engineering. I was using it as an example.

4. Says the guy who got his doctorate in "Bible Mythology"

Doctorate in in the Bible is about as awesome as getting a degree in French Poetry of the 14th century.

And your definitive supporting scientific evidence supporting that SWAG hypothesis. Is what exactly?

Answer the questions!

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

How does one scientifically test Intelligent Design? How does one scientifically test the existence of an Intelligent Designer?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

And your definitive supporting scientific evidence supporting that SWAG hypothesis. Is what exactly?

Answer the questions!

Open up a scientific journal.

Im sure there has got to be a library/college/university/community college within driving distance of your house.

Go there, and ask the library receptionist to point you in the direction of scientific journals on the subject of biological evolution.

You should now be standing in front of a giant case of scientific peer reviewed research into Evolution.



Look, I know you have read the Bible and not much more. But you have got to expand your knowledge.

Put down the mythology, and go read learn something that has basis in fact.

 

[Truth Warrior]

How does one scientifically test Intelligent Design? How does one scientifically test the existence of an Intelligent Designer?

Perhaps the same way that macro evolution is tested. That's one of the main ID complaints, or so I've read.

Hint for the apparently navigationally challenged: The questions to be answered start on thread page 4.

 

[amy31416]

How does one scientifically test Intelligent Design? How does one scientifically test the existence of an Intelligent Designer?

One doesn't. This site is about the most reasonable and non-CSC (Center for "science" and culture--a Discovery Institute program) that I could find on so-called peer-reviewed ID research. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI001_4.html

See the responses, read for yourself. It's hardly scientific. And how is it that I'm at least coming up with something, while the person defending ID is not? Hell, I could defend ID better than him and I think it's a bunch of hogwash.

 

[Truth Warrior]

One doesn't. This site is about the most reasonable and non-CSC (Center for "science" and culture--a Discovery Institute program) that I could find on so-called peer-reviewed ID research. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI001_4.html

See the responses, read for yourself. It's hardly scientific. And how is it that I'm at least coming up with something, while the person defending ID is not? Hell, I could defend ID better than him and I think it's a bunch of hogwash.

I'm not defending ID, merely among several attacking the macro evolution fairytale.

Did the gay Buddhists wrap up early today?

 

[Dr.3D]

How science says life began.

Here I will break down intelligent design for you.

Blah Blah Blah Blah
Blah Blah
(Toss in some bullshit)
God did it!

And then there is how science says life began....

Blah blah blah blah
Blah blah
(Toss in some bullshit)
Lightening hit a mud puddle!
A complete living organism was suddenly living in the mud puddle.
--------------------------------------
Where is the scientific proof?
Where is the reproducible data?
Has anybody been able to produce life in a lab by zapping a mud puddle with lightening?
Where is the peer reviewed data?

Science knows no more about how life began than they do about how the universe was started. It is all a guess and a theory.
For all they know, all of the galaxies are just clusters of atoms in a giants table.

 

[Banana]

Has anybody been able to produce life in a lab by zapping a mud puddle with lightening?

Miller-Urey experiment in 1957 did something like that. It was heralded as a proof that life can be created from nonlife, but even Miller himself concluded later on that it only opened more questions than answers, and showed how much more complicated it was. For example, the conditions present in the experiment was not consistent with what was known about the early Earth. Then there was that pesky problem of the same lightning giving the life killing it as well (the experiment used a trap of some kind to save the amino acids, IIRC).

For all they know, all of the galaxies are just clusters of atoms in a giants table.

Funnily enough, it's okay to speculate about several universes behind a black hole but not an intelligent designer?

*shrugs*

Like I said, this debate isn't going to be resolved- people are simply too prejudiced.

 

[sophocles07]

What in the world makes people automatically connect God with Intelligent Design?

The designer could have been an alien for all we know.

People need to stop and think before they make an association between things.

Well, I know who stole my cloak of naivity now.

Is this not evidence of intelligent design?

It was after all, designed was it not?
Was there any intelligence involved in the design of this monument?

If the answer to both of these questions is yes, then it is in fact the product of intelligent design.

So we’re talking about human craftsmanship now? Is there not an END POINT at which a deity-designer must from outside the natural order DESIGN all of this? That’s Intelligent Design; carving rocks by artists is not what they want to teach.


ALSO: can anyone provide us with, as Romney’s sideburns asked, a curriculum/syllabus for a course in ID? I’d really like to know what the hell the class would consist of.

There is none, except for the world around you. Those who believe in intelligent design are content to think that there is a greater power in the universe that we don't understand.

Are we so proud that we can rule out intelligent design as a possibility?

Call me a nut for not following the scientific method, but I like to think there is something bigger than us out there.

...
O Thou transcendent,
Nameless, the fibre and the breath,
Light of the light, shedding forth universes, thou centre of them.
Swiftly I shrivel at the thought of God,
At Nature and its wonders, Time and Space and Death,
But that I, turning, call to thee O soul, thou actual Me,
And lo, thou gently masterest the orbs,
Thou matest Time, smilest content at Death,
And fillest, swellest full the vastnesses of Space.

...
O soul thou pleasest me, I thee,
Sailing these seas or on the hills, or waking in the night,
Thoughts, silent thoughts, of Time and Space and Death, like waters flowing,
Bear me indeed as through the regions infinite,
Whose air I breathe, whose ripples hear, lave me all over,
Bathe me O God in thee, mounting to thee,
I and my soul to range in range of thee.

...
Sail forth -- steer for the deep waters only,
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

O my brave soul!
O farther farther sail!
O daring joy, but safe! are they not all the seas of God?
O farther, farther, farther sail!

-Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass

This is poetry. Teach it as poetry or as philosophy. Not as science. How would you teach this in a science class?

Doctorate in in the Bible is about as awesome as getting a degree in French Poetry of the 14th century.

I don’t know what this means. If you were attempting an insult, you should use different comparison—because France of the 14th century produced many fine poets.

And then there is how science says life began....

Blah blah blah blah
Blah blah
(Toss in some bullshit)
Lightening hit a mud puddle!
A complete living organism was suddenly living in the mud puddle.

Jesus man, you are stupid.