What does "Intelligent Design" even mean?

A careful rereading for comprehension of what I actually wrote will "maybe" clearly show that I am/was speaking of the starting point of the process of science.

I think that you really owe me answers to the accumulation of my thread questions directed to you, before I will even begin to consider answering your new ones here. :D

We'll go from there, OK?

Oh, you may too want to add a response to thread post #16 also. Hmm, I seem to have already asked you that. :D

The starting point of sceince? Ill take you through the whole process.

1. Define the question
2. Gather information and resources (observe)
3. Form hypothesis
4. Perform experiment and collect data
5. Analyze data
6. Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)


Here is how Intelligent Design proposes we do things

1. Define the question
2.
3. Form hypothesis
4.
5.
6.
7. Publish results
8.



Do you see the problem?



And again with post #16, what is the relevance? What difference would it make if Darwin believed in a creator? (He didnt)

Why are the creationists so hung up on Darwin? You certainly dont hear evolutionary biologists bring up Darwin every other sentence. No more than you would hear an aeronautical engineer bring up the Wright brothers every 5 words.
 
Post #16 says nothing of merit to your argument.

"No lover, if he be of good faith, and sincere, will deny he would prefer to see his mistress dead than unfaithful."
-Marquis de Sade

See, I can post quotations too. It doesn't help my argument. It just makes me feel important.
Yes, and you do it very nicely. :D

Thank you for your opinion. However, Darwin's views do seem to have some significant relevance in this thread context, at hand.
 
Thank you for your opinion. However, Darwin's views do seem to have some significant relevance in this thread context, at hand.

Not so much. Darwin's personal opinions are about as relevant to scientific discussion as Terry Schiavo's are. Personal opinion is irrelevant if data is absent.
 
The starting point of sceince? Ill take you through the whole process.

1. Define the question
2. Gather information and resources (observe)
3. Form hypothesis
4. Perform experiment and collect data
5. Analyze data
6. Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)


Here is how Intelligent Design proposes we do things

1. Define the question
2.
3. Form hypothesis
4.
5.
6.
7. Publish results
8.



Do you see the problem?



And again with post #16, what is the relevance? What difference would it make if Darwin believed in a creator? (He didnt)

Why are the creationists so hung up on Darwin? You certainly dont hear evolutionary biologists bring up Darwin every other sentence. No more than you would hear an aeronautical engineer bring up the Wright brothers every 5 words.
Answers!!!
 
Not so much. Darwin's personal opinions are about as relevant to scientific discussion as Terry Schiavo's are. Personal opinion is irrelevant if data is absent.
And what was Darwin's view on his theory, in the absence of adequate definitive, confirming and conclusive data and evidence?
 
And what was Darwin's view on his theory, in the absence of adequate definitive, confirming and conclusive data and evidence?

Ok, Ill bite.

That quote is talking about the origin of life. Evolution does not discuss the origin of life, it discusses the diversity of life and its change over time.



Theories are not philosophical views. Once a truth has been discovered, it makes no difference if the discoverer stops believing it later on.
 
How would you possibly know?

ID was in court in Dover for 6 weeks. In that 6 weeks, the very people who came up with the idea of intelligent design produced no evidence of intelligent design, and in fact conceded that there was no scientifically peer reviewed data to support Intelligent Design.

A final indicator of how ID has failed to demonstrate scientific warrant is the
complete absence of peer-reviewed publications supporting the theory. Expert
testimony revealed that the peer review process is “exquisitely important” in the
scientific process. It is a way for scientists to write up their empirical research and
to share the work with fellow experts in the field, opening up the hypotheses to
study, testing, and criticism. (1:66-69 (Miller)). In fact, defense expert Professor
Behe recognizes the importance of the peer review process and has written that
science must “publish or perish.” (22:19-25 (Behe)). Peer review helps to ensure
that research papers are scientifically accurately, meet the standards of the
scientific method, and are relevant to other scientists in the field. (1:39-40
(Miller)). Moreover, peer review involves scientists submitting a manuscript to a
scientific journal in the field, journal editors soliciting critical reviews from other
experts in the field and deciding whether the scientist has followed proper research
procedures, employed up-to-date methods, considered and cited relevant literature
and generally, whether the researcher has employed sound science.
The evidence presented in this case demonstrates that ID is not supported by
any peer-reviewed research, data or publications. Both Drs. Padian and Forrest
testified that recent literature reviews of scientific and medical-electronic databases
Case 4:04-cv-02688-JEJ Document 342 Filed 12/20/2005 Page 87 of 139

17 The one article referenced by both Professors Behe and Minnich as supporting ID is an
article written by Behe and Snoke entitled “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein
features that require multiple amino acid residues.” (P-721). A review of the article indicates
that it does not mention either irreducible complexity or ID. In fact, Professor Behe admitted
that the study which forms the basis for the article did not rule out many known evolutionary
mechanisms and that the research actually might support evolutionary pathways if a biologically
realistic population size were used. (22:41-45 (Behe); P-756).
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disclosed no studies supporting a biological concept of ID. (17:42-43 (Padian);
11:32-33 (Forrest)). On cross-examination, Professor Behe admitted that: “There
are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported
by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts
of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred.” (22:22-23 (Behe)).
Additionally, Professor Behe conceded that there are no peer-reviewed papers
supporting his claims that complex molecular systems, like the bacterial flagellum,
the blood-clotting cascade, and the immune system, were intelligently designed.
(21:61-62 (complex molecular systems), 23:4-5 (immune system), and 22:124-25
(blood-clotting cascade) (Behe)). In that regard, there are no peer-reviewed
articles supporting Professor Behe’s argument that certain complex molecular
structures are “irreducibly complex.”17 (21:62, 22:124-25 (Behe)).
In addition to
failing to produce papers in peer-reviewed journals, ID also features no scientific
research or testing. (28:114-15 (Fuller); 18:22-23, 105-06 (Behe)).

Michael Behe is a leading voice in intelligent design, and coined the idea of "irreducible complexity"
 
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