What does "Intelligent Design" even mean?

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Is this not evidence of intelligent design?

It was after all, designed was it not?
Was there any intelligence involved in the design of this monument?

If the answer to both of these questions is yes, then it is in fact the product of intelligent design.

It is not proof of intelligence because of it's complexity, it is proof of intelligence because the physical evidence conforms to human creation rather than geological creation. The physical design is consistent with the work of man, not the work of nature. Complexity is irrelevant.
 
Show me evidence that the design of a cell is inconsistent with creation by natural biological, chemical, and physical process.




If God designed eyeballs, why do so many people have to wear glasses?
 
Mr. Rushmore is indeed designed. This is shown through physical evidence, as well as documented historical evidence.

Good, then we have gotten this far in our evaluation of what constitutes Intelligent Design. What other points may be observed from things we know are the product of Intelligent Design?
 
Subjective, But Funny

Teddy Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore. I maintain that it is the product of unintelligent design.

Maybe putting Teddy Roosevelt on Mount Rushmore was a result of an unwise choice by the sculptor, not unintelligence in design.
 
Good, then we have gotten this far in our evaluation of what constitutes Intelligent Design. What other points may be observed from things we know are the product of Intelligent Design?

Gotten this far? The fact that I conceded that Mt. Rushmore was designed?


I also concede the fact that bottled water was put in the bottle by a creator. That does not further the debate on the existence of Poseidon.
 
Gotten this far? The fact that I conceded that Mt. Rushmore was designed?


I also concede the fact that bottled water was put in the bottle by a creator. That does not further the debate on the existence of Poseidon.

Oops... you violated the rules.... we don't include myth when working with science.

We are trying to scientifically determine what constitutes Intelligent Design.

So far we have found there needs to be physical evidence of a designer.
We have also discussed the need for there to be historical evidence.

What else are we going to be able to find out about the subject?

Once we have a good list, then we can begin to break it down to determine what items on the list may or may not be necessary to define Intelligent Design.
 
But how do you know the stone archway was not designed?
I didn't claim that it wasn't, now did I? I'm, however, open to the possibility, that maybe it was. Let's check the evidence, shall we? :D

Thanks, for finally "kinda" acknowledging one of my questions? Though answering a question with a question, could hardly be considered an adequate or acceptable answer. :p
 
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Let's take another item.....

Would you say this is a naturally occurring item or was it designed?

What are the attributes you used to determine your answer?
 
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Let's take another item.....

Would you say this is a naturally occurring item or was it designed?

What are the attributes you used to determine your answer?

I would have to look at the physical evidence.


First I would have to gain some knowledge on geological rock structures. Figure out what type of rock this is, what are its natural characteristics, natural environmental mechanisms that effect its structure (was it in a river, at the top of a mountain, at the base of a mountain, on a beach), chemical makeup.

I would then compare this rock to the knowledge I have on the science of rocks.


If the rock is consistent with known natural geological mechanisms, It is possible the rock is the result of natural process.

If the rock is inconsistent with known natural geological mechanisms, one of two things can be true. 1. The rock is not the result of natural geological mechanisms. 2. The rock is the result of natural geological mechanisms that I have not yet gained knowledge of.


if I have determined that the rock is not the result of known geological mechanism, I can explore the possibility that it is the result of unnatural process. I would then look for evidence to support unnatural process. In this example of what appears to be an arrow head, I can look for evidence of wearing that is consistent with the act of sharpening. If the rock was sharpened with a second rock of a different material, I can look for markings along the sharp edge consistent with what occurs when two rocks are banged against each other in such a fashion. I can also look for residue of the second rock that was used in the sharpening process. if the markings are uneven, that may suggest another rock was hit against it. If the markings are even and consistently sized, it may suggest a more precise tool was used.



As for this rock, in limited knowledge of geology, i can say it is likely not the result of natural process. I know of no natural geological mechanism that would cause the rock to form into this shape. The rock is inconsistent with natural geology

In my limited knowledge of human made tools, i can say it is likely that this was crafted intentionally by a human. The shape and markings are consistent with what I know to be an arrow head.


It is always possible that I could be wrong. I have only studied basic college level geology. And there are things that occur in nature that are often mistaken for being man-made. For instance, certain types of rock erodes in such a way that it appears to be a paved stone walkway. But its completely naturally occurring. Our knowledge of geology can explain the process by which it happens. In these cases, we must look at the physical evidence. We must rely on our scientific understanding. We must rely on research, the collection of data, the collection of evidence.

Science doesnt work by looking at something for 2 seconds and going with whatever your intuition tells you.

SCIENCE DOES NOT WORK BY INTUITION
 
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