What does "Intelligent Design" even mean?

[yongrel]

What in the world makes people automatically connect God with Intelligent Design?

Because the leading ID textbooks cite Creationist textbooks for the majority of their sources.

The designer could have been an alien for all we know.

As has been said often by evolutionists, their is definitely the possibility that life came to this planet from an alien source. Whether it be by bacteria on an asteroid or E.T.s on a spaceship, it's possible. However, panspermia is ultimately not an answer to the question "How did life come to be?" nor "How has life changed since." Panspermia doesn't solve the origin of life or disprove evolution, it just places these occurences offworld.

Say, for instance, we were designed by an alien intelligence. This alien came to our planet and introduced life, and proceeded to manipulate it. He would then be the designer.

But where did this alien come from? *cough*he evolved*cough*

People need to stop and think before they make an association between things.

And once they're done thinking, they'll be even more aware of how connected ID and Creationism are.

 

[Dr.3D]

Because by its very nature, an intelligent designer could only have been a super-natural designer.


Who designed your hypothetical alien? The alien must have been a sentient life form. Where did it come from?

You really have to stop and think before making such illogical statements.

So it is illogical to say a pocket watch has an intelligent designer?
More likely it would be illogical to assume the watchmaker would be some sort of super-natural designer.

If we don't know who the designer was then we can only make an assumption as to his super-natural nature. Maybe the designer is able to make all sorts of living things and that does not mean he or they is necessarily some kind of god.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

People need to stop and think

I already did. I came to the conclusion that superstition an mythology are no match for observable reality, rationality, and scientific discovery.

 

[Dr.3D]

I suppose a pocket watch would think the one who made it was some kind of god. (if it had a brain to think)

 

[Truth Warrior]

I already did. I came to the conclusion that superstition an mythology are no match for observable reality, rationality, and scientific discovery.

Like Anthropogenic Global Warming?

 

[Theocrat]

Intelligent Creator

 

[Truth Warrior]

I already did. I came to the conclusion that superstition an mythology are no match for observable reality, rationality, and scientific discovery.

What about thread post #16?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I suppose a pocket watch would think the one who made it was some kind of god. (if it had a brain to think)

Ahhh, the watchmaker falacy.

I have a better one.




Who designed this stone archway? Is it evidence of a designer? An ancient civilization?

Why cant I look at this stone archway and know that it must have been designed? It looks complicated. It MUST have been designed.


The reality is, we do know how that stone archway came into existence. We know the natural process by which it was formed, designer free.

Just as we know the geological process by which this stone archway was formed, we know the biological processes by which evolution occurs

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

What about thread post #16?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Ahhh, the watchmaker falacy.

I have a better one.




Who designed this stone archway? Is it evidence of a designer? An ancient civilization?

Why cant I look at this stone archway and know that it must have been designed? It looks complicated. It MUST have been designed.


The reality is, we do know how that stone archway came into existence. We know the natural process by which it was formed, designer free.

Just as we know the geological process by which this stone archway was formed, we know the biological processes by which evolution occurs

Much simpler than a pocket watch. Now about those natural selection processes and random chance mutations creating RNA, not even to mention DNA?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Much simpler than a pocket watch. Now about those natural selection processes and random chance mutations creating RNA, not even to mention DNA?

But how do you know the stone archway was not designed?

 

[amy31416]

Quantum physics fills in the holes of Relativity. Relativity fills in the holes of Newtonian Physics.

Too bad all that "science" is a waste of time. There is no need to go to college and study physics. No need to waste money on fancy book learn'n. Just open up your bible. Says right there God created everything. Gravity works because God says so. Doesnt get much more simple than that.

Yes, but who will fill the holes in my dark, doubting heart?

Jesus, that's who!

(sorry, sometimes I can't resist.)

P.S. I won't waste any more time on that blaspheming science crap. Thanks!

 

[Dr.3D]

Ahhh, the watchmaker falacy.

I have a better one.




Who designed this stone archway? Is it evidence of a designer? An ancient civilization?

Why cant I look at this stone archway and know that it must have been designed? It looks complicated. It MUST have been designed.


The reality is, we do know how that stone archway came into existence. We know the natural process by which it was formed, designer free.

Just as we know the geological process by which this stone archway was formed, we know the biological processes by which evolution occurs

What purpose does the arch fill?
A work of art perhaps?
It does not serve the purpose as a bridge as I see no road going to it or from it.
It would not be necessary to have a bridge there in the first place as it would be easier to cross that area without going to the trouble of going over the top of it.

If we for once leave God out of this discussion, what constitutes intelligent design?

Now, I don't want to hear about any myth or supposition, but only about what constitutes intelligent design.

Let's stick to things that are not living for the time being too. As it may be too complicated for us if we start going into living things.

Anything that is not living and serves a purpose, please tell me what would make it the product of intelligent design?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Other than pointing out "holes" in scientific theory, what would an intelligent design course consist of?

Ok, you win the court battle. Evolutionary biology is supplemented with a semester long course on Intelligent Design.

What is the lesson plan? What is the scientific data and evidence?


What on earth would go on in an ID classroom?

 

[Theocrat]

Evolution on Rocky Ground?

Ahhh, the watchmaker falacy.

I have a better one.




Who designed this stone archway? Is it evidence of a designer? An ancient civilization?

Why cant I look at this stone archway and know that it must have been designed? It looks complicated. It MUST have been designed.


The reality is, we do know how that stone archway came into existence. We know the natural process by which it was formed, designer free.

Just as we know the geological process by which this stone archway was formed, we know the biological processes by which evolution occurs

Ultimately, I would say that God did create that stone archway. You have to understand that God, as sovereign Creator of the universe, designed all living organisms and natural materials (such as rocks, atoms, and molecules) that we see upon the earth. Rocks do not form themselves in nature, but how wonderful it is to see that each one has its own distinct shape which is different and unlike any other rock! To conclude that rocks are just formed by blind, impersonal forces in nature without any superintendence by God is just silly, to me. I mean, would you conclude from this photo that Mount Rushmore was formed just by random processes, unaided by an intelligent agent?

Absolutely not! Its complexity and structure is evidence enough that someone more complex and intelligent than the rock created it. As a theologian once put it, "You don't need faith to know there was a designer, just eyes that can see and a brain that works."

If we don't assume that there was a designer of the stone archway, then what natural process created it, and who observed the process in action? Evolution cannot answer this question of how rocks evolved because evolution only deals with living organisms in nature, which rocks are not.

 

[yongrel]

What on earth would go on in an ID classroom?

...God?

 

[Dr.3D]

Is this not evidence of intelligent design?

It was after all, designed was it not?
Was there any intelligence involved in the design of this monument?

If the answer to both of these questions is yes, then it is in fact the product of intelligent design.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

What purpose does the arch fill?
A work of art perhaps?
It does not serve the purpose as a bridge as I see no road going to it or from it.
It would not be necessary to have a bridge there in the first place as it would be easier to cross that area without going to the trouble of going over the top of it.

maybe it is the remainder of an ancient bridge that once crossed a body of water that has apparently dried up and become a desert.


Of course that is bullshit. i just made it up. The entire argument stems from ignorance. I havnt done one bit of research, have not collected one shred of evidence to support my claim. I just looked at it and made shit up, ignoring scientific data to the contrary.

Which is exactly what you are doing.


you see, here is what you are doing. You are looking at the arch and saying, "There is no natural mechanism to create such a thing. It must be intelligently designed by a creator." The thing is, there IS a natural mechanism to create the arch. Its a completely natural occurrence. Just because you lack the scientific literacy to understand it, does not mean you have a solid argument.


Intelligent Design comes down to this:

"I dont understand science, therefore science must be wrong."

 

[Theocrat]

Uh, Excuse Me

Intelligent Design comes down to this:

"I dont understand science, therefore science must be wrong."

You've just committed a strawman fallacy here. That is not what intelligent design is about. Brush those sideburns from your eyes, and see the truth.

 

[Dr.3D]

You are looking at the arch and saying, "There is no natural mechanism to create such a thing.

I'm sure there is a natural mechanism to create such a thing.
I never said there wasn't.

You are trying to put words in my mouth.

Answer the questions in my Mount Rushmore post if you know so much about science.