What Do Women Want?

[Nirvikalpa]

Thats the TRUTH as well and that DOES infuriate me. And that DOES make me bitter at women. I have no problem admitting that.

*THIS ISN'T ALL WOMEN BUT IT'S THE MAJORITY IN THIS AGE GROUP*

Women hit about 27-30 years old and realize that working SUCKS, one night stands are EMPTY, and that at this point in their lives they probably will not get married or have children....and they WANT BABIES. And now that they realized how much grinding for the system blows they want to get married because in thier mind THATS the escape route from reality. Find a man to latch onto like a PARASITE.

But they won't tell you that. They will date you, hang out with you, (all while expecting YOU to pay for everything) then have completely consentual sex with you, often initiating it themselves.

They enjoy sex too although it seems taboo for them to admit that because it sounds too whorish.....even though they've been screwing different men for 15 years now. LOL and god forbid if they adit that they enjoy it, it removes some of the "value" of their vagina. As if they are prividing YOU some amazing service out of the "goodness of their hearts" and it's a job for them.....even though YOU as a man usually do ALL the work during sex.

They enjoy and often initiate sex with men....and then afterwards something in their head tells them that they have been "taken advantage of" It's complete BULLSHIT. I can't think of any more bullshit than that. POLITICIANS couldnt lie to themselves like women do.

Yes ladies, you were taken advantage of after consentual sex....and tower 7 fell because of a few fires too

So women tell themselves that they were taken advantage of...and men are asshloles....this they think justifies LYING to men about being on the pill or lying to men about their goals of nabbing a husband.

It's twisted, batshit crazy, and should be criminal.

While I think there are women like that, I think they are in the minority. I think you have a serious vendetta against women.

No woman in her right mind that wants a relationship based on trust (aka a true relationship) would lie about being on the pill or would just 'nab a husband' for the hell of it. Politicians can't lie as much as women do? Jesus Christ. Batshit crazy.

And I am also disliking the fact you quoted a question that was being directed at me. If you want to cast judgement, you have the freedom to do so, but please do not expect you know everything about my life.

 

[Sandman33]

Pretty much everything but sex. If you think men can't use women for other uses besides sex, then you are seriously mistaken.

I was a guidance counselor, a mother, a guide, a mentor, the person who dropped everything to help him, gave money to help him... eventually he definitely took advantage of that, to the point where it was interfering with my life. In the meanwhile, when I was starting to see the light and he knew this too, I was told I was a nothing and that he was the best I could get, that no one would put up with me, etc, etc.

I am a very giving person, always usually to the point I get taken advantage of. I am not really a strong emotional person, and I take people's words to heart. I let people in very easily, and it just so happens that a lot of my deep issues stem from the fact I let a lot of guys in that I really shouldn't have, and I admit I gave them a bit too much of a mental hold over me.

No regrets though, everything happens for a reason, and it certainly pointed me into the right direction (Shem has treated me with the most respect any man ever has in my life).

Always the victim

I'm sorry if you were used for money. But it sounds like you know exactly what your weak points are. Focus on them and don't be so "giving".

The "trick" to giving is to never think about it again and try to hold it over someone as if they OWE you. Do that and you will never feel as if you were taken advantage of.

If you are being caring and LOVING and not recieving that in return then you need to assess the situation and do what's best for you. On the same token, if someone is being caring and loving towards you and you don't feel the same in return you need to tell them and leave as well. Thats maturity I suppose.

 

[Sandman33]

While I think there are women like that, I think they are in the minority. I think you have a serious vendetta against women.

And I am also disliking the fact you quoted a question that was being directed at me. If you want to cast judgement, you have the freedom to do so, but please do not expect you know everything about my life.

My reply was not directed at you personally so please don't take it as such.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Always the victim

I'm sorry if you were used for money. But it sounds like you know exactly what your weak points are. Focus on them and don't be so "giving".

The "trick" to giving is to never think about it again and try to hold it over someone as if they OWE you. Do that and you will never feel as if you were taken advantage of.

If you are being caring and LOVING and not recieving that in return then you need to assess the situation and do what's best for you. On the same token, if someone is being caring and loving towards you and you don't feel the same in return you need to tell them and leave as well. Thats maturity I suppose.

I'm not going deep into my personal life so that you can judge me, so don't assume I was a victim, and certaintly don't assume I wasn't (simply, in my opinion, because I am a woman and only a man can be a victim, right?). And I live by everything you stated.

I'll let you go back to your one-sided bullshit.

 

[Kraig]

While I think there are women like that, I think they are in the minority. I think you have a serious vendetta against women.

Well I disagree, I think the majority of women in America are like that, but I think the majority of men are like that too, it is certainly unfair and incorrect to single the women out. In short I think the majority of the nation is a bunch of shallow, pleasure seeking morons.

 

[dannno]

Pretty much everything but sex. If you think men can't use women for other uses besides sex, then you are seriously mistaken.

I was a guidance counselor, a mother, a guide, a mentor, the person who dropped everything to help him, gave money to help him... eventually he definitely took advantage of that, to the point where it was interfering with my life. In the meanwhile, when I was starting to see the light and he knew this too, I was told I was a nothing and that he was the best I could get, that no one would put up with me, etc, etc.

I am a very giving person, always usually to the point I get taken advantage of. I am not really a strong emotional person, and I take people's words to heart. I let people in very easily, and it just so happens that a lot of my deep issues stem from the fact I let a lot of guys in that I really shouldn't have, and I admit I gave them a bit too much of a mental hold over me.

No regrets though, everything happens for a reason, and it certainly pointed me into the right direction (Shem has treated me with the most respect any man ever has in my life).

Wait a minute, I mentioned money right below so that's not fair.. I was actually really curious if that was what you meant, or if you meant more of an emotional thing or what.

I kinda have some of the same frustrations as sandman above when he addressed my post. I understand some girls want to save it for someone special, and that's cool... but if you want to know why guys leave right then and there I have been put in a similar situation. Though I was ready to wait for her it did not end up working out.. but I did have to put a lot of consideration into it.

So, the thing is that sex is really important to most guys. It isn't that the guys that are leaving you on dates right away are incapable of making that kind of commitment, it's more like they are buying a Ferrari (yes, you are the Ferrari ) and they can't take it out for a test drive.. but what does a guy care about taking a Ferrari out on a test drive so much? I mean, we already know it's a great car, right? There's more.. The car has a special computer that only lets the driver take it out once in a while, and he doesn't know how often that computer is going to let him take it out... some cars let their owners take them out pretty much whenever they want, and other cars BEG their owners to take them out as much as possible.. yet other owners can only take out their car once a week.. other car owners can only take out their car once a month, and still others even less than that

So, that is really what the test drive is all about. Guys want to be with a girl who WANTS to be with them, cause no guy wants to be put in the other situation.. But it sounds like everything worked out for the better for you anyway.

 

[MRoCkEd]

This conversation made me think of American Pie Presents: The Naked Mile.

Erik Stifler (John White) has a difficult time living up to his family name. He is perhaps the only Stifler about to graduate from high school as a virgin. The film opens with Erik feigning illness so that he can stay home and masturbate. Unfortunately, just as he is about to ejaculate, his parents and grandmother unexpectedly walk into the door and are hit with Erik's semen, after which his grandmother dies of a heart attack. Erik's dad later surmises that, as a Stifler, his son should be out having sex instead of masturbating. Erik's girlfriend of two years, Tracy (Jessy Schram), loves him, but is not ready for intercourse. Tracy decides to have sex, their first attempt goes horribly wrong, and she backs out of trying again.

Erik's friends Cooze (Jake Siegel) and Ryan (Ross Thomas) plan a road trip to visit Erik's cousin Dwight Stifler (Steve Talley) in Michigan during an event known as the Naked Mile. Tracy sees this as an opportunity to give Erik a "guilt free weekend pass," hoping that he can quench his lust and get sex out of his system since she is not ready.
Erik and his friends arrive on campus and witness an over-the-top drinking contest where Dwight is crowned a campus champion, lose a rough game of football against a bitter rival fraternity composed almost entirely of midgets, and end up in a brawl with those same midgets on several occasions. This rivalry comes to a head when the midget fraternity attacks Dwight, landing him in the hospital. Dwight is back in full form later that evening when it is time for the Naked Mile run.

Erik meets a college girl with a fetish for virgin boys and as they steal a kiss, a news crew captures the moment. Watching the news report about the Naked Mile back at home, Tracy is upset and feels guilty that she allowed Erik the free pass. Her friends convince her to also lose her virginity before he gets back. Later that evening Erik realizes that he loves Tracy and rushes back to see his girlfriend. When he gets to her house, Tracy's dad says she is at a party and Erik arrives at the party just as Tracy has headed upstairs, presumably to lose her virginity to her ex-boyfriend. Erik loudly pounds on the closed bedroom door, proclaiming his love for her. However, Tracy was not in the room because she had decided that she couldn't go through with her plans.

Later that evening, Tracy and Erik decide that they should be each others' first. They make love that night. When Erik returns to the college to pick up his friends the next morning, each boy shares stories of his experiences from the night before. The three friends drive back to East Great Falls.

I think we can all learn something from this heartwarming tale of young love.

 

[Sandman33]

While I think there are women like that, I think they are in the minority. I think you have a serious vendetta against women.

No woman in her right mind that wants a relationship based on trust (aka a true relationship) would lie about being on the pill or would just 'nab a husband' for the hell of it. Politicians can't lie as much as women do? Jesus Christ. Batshit crazy.

And I am also disliking the fact you quoted a question that was being directed at me. If you want to cast judgement, you have the freedom to do so, but please do not expect you know everything about my life.

I think that you feel I have a vendetta against women because you don't like hearing the truth about women. I have no vendetta against women. I LOVE women. But I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and ignore what's going on around me just to save anyones "feelings" on the subject.

Shaming tactics don't work on me. I won't be talked into a corner by being called a hater for speaking the truth.

You say that "No woman in her right mind that wants a relationship based on trust would lie about being on the pill or just trying to nab a husband"

Thats my point exactly, NO WOMAN IN HER RIGHT MIND THAT WANTS A RELATIONSHIP BASED ON TRUST. I clearly was not speaking about women in their right mind. And EVERYONE wants a relationship based on trust yet women hide their goals from men very often.

And how could one ever think that a woman believing that she was taken advantage of after consentual sex is in her right mind? Thats the point.

And do you SERIOUSLY think that women in that age group of 27-30 AREN'T looking for a husband and babies to fufill thier childhood desires and get a break from the monotany of working for the system?

What makes you think they won't get desperate enough to hide their goals of marriage from a man they are dating? After all that biological clock is TICKING and time is runing OUT. And if they are hiding that they are lying throughout the whole dating process....and if they are already doing that and they want babies they will lie about birth controll.

This happens all the time and men have to be aware of it. And I say the majority of women in that age group want marriage and babies because thats what I have personally found. It truly is the majority of women near that age.

 

[Dieseler]

Pretty much everything but sex. If you think men can't use women for other uses besides sex, then you are seriously mistaken.

I was a guidance counselor, a mother, a guide, a mentor, the person who dropped everything to help him, gave money to help him... eventually he definitely took advantage of that, to the point where it was interfering with my life. In the meanwhile, when I was starting to see the light and he knew this too, I was told I was a nothing and that he was the best I could get, that no one would put up with me, etc, etc.

I am a very giving person, always usually to the point I get taken advantage of. I am not really a strong emotional person, and I take people's words to heart. I let people in very easily, and it just so happens that a lot of my deep issues stem from the fact I let a lot of guys in that I really shouldn't have, and I admit I gave them a bit too much of a mental hold over me.

No regrets though, everything happens for a reason, and it certainly pointed me into the right direction (Shem has treated me with the most respect any man ever has in my life).

You two kids make a great looking couple.
I wish you much happiness and prosperity in the future.

I've wanted to say that for awhile and now I have.

 

[dannno]

And how could one ever think that a woman believing that she was taken advantage of after consentual sex is in her right mind? Thats the point.

Touche, I think MAYBE Give.Me.Liberty might even agree with the bulk of your post there..

 

[Sandman33]

So, the thing is that sex is really important to most guys. It isn't that the guys that are leaving you on dates right away are incapable of making that kind of commitment, it's more like they are buying a Ferrari (yes, you are the Ferrari ) and they can't take it out for a test drive.. but what does a guy care about taking a Ferrari out on a test drive so much? I mean, we already know it's a great car, right? There's more.. The car has a special computer that only lets the driver take it out once in a while, and he doesn't know how often that computer is going to let him take it out... some cars let their owners take them out pretty much whenever they want, and other cars BEG their owners to take them out as much as possible.. yet other owners can only take out their car once a week.. other car owners can only take out their car once a month, and still others even less than that

So, that is really what the test drive is all about. Guys want to be with a girl who WANTS to be with them, cause no guy wants to be put in the other situation.. But it sounds like everything worked out for the better for you anyway.

Yes I agree Danno. Now add this to the perspective.

Every man wants a Ferrari, but more than that the VAST VAST majority of men just want decent transporation thats clean and runs well.

You want to test drive your car to see what the MAINTENACE is going to be via how much shit is she going to fuck up and whine at you about or even blame YOU for? Is this car breaking every 100 miles? If so what's the cost of replacement parts and maintenance parts?

And what's the gas mileage? Is this car hogging up gas like a credit card bill or the need for a new pair of shoes every week?

But what it really boils down to is that once we find a car we like we have no problem "pampering" it with wax jobs and new tires/shoes. We just want to be appreciated for it.

Like you said, we want a woman that wants to be with us. Because she really likes being with us...not because in the back of her head she thinks that you will marry her and giver her babies....or because you make decent money and she wants you to support her.

Thats what men really want.

 

[Sandman33]

I'm not going deep into my personal life so that you can judge me, so don't assume I was a victim, and certaintly don't assume I wasn't (simply, in my opinion, because I am a woman and only a man can be a victim, right?). And I live by everything you stated.

I'll let you go back to your one-sided bullshit.

I'm not trying to attack or judge you so please don't think that I am. I understand that you aren't a part of the women I mention. I even said that you seem to be a great woman....don't know if you forgot that or not.

And I don't think it's really one sided bullshit. I've stated that there are dickheads out there. And that I was sorry if you truly were USED.

Only men can be victims? Nope, I've seen plenty of asswipes with great women go and cheat on them....It infuriates me just as much trust me.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I think that you feel I have a vendetta against women because you don't like hearing the truth about women. I have no vendetta against women. I LOVE women. But I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and ignore what's going on around me just to save anyones "feelings" on the subject.

Shaming tactics don't work on me. I won't be talked into a corner by being called a hater for speaking the truth.

You say that "No woman in her right mind that wants a relationship based on trust would lie about being on the pill or just trying to nab a husband"

Thats my point exactly, NO WOMAN IN HER RIGHT MIND THAT WANTS A RELATIONSHIP BASED ON TRUST. I clearly was not speaking about women in their right mind. And EVERYONE wants a relationship based on trust yet women hide their goals from men very often.

And how could one ever think that a woman believing that she was taken advantage of after consentual sex is in her right mind? Thats the point.

And do you SERIOUSLY think that women in that age group of 27-30 AREN'T looking for a husband and babies to fufill thier childhood desires and get a break from the monotany of working for the system?

What makes you think they won't get desperate enough to hide their goals of marriage from a man they are dating? After all that biological clock is TICKING and time is runing OUT. And if they are hiding that they are lying throughout the whole dating process....and if they are already doing that and they want babies they will lie about birth controll.

This happens all the time and men have to be aware of it. And I say the majority of women in that age group want marriage and babies because thats what I have personally found. It truly is the majority of women near that age.

I doubt women here are like that, so why are you on a rampage? You are hurting your own credentials because the women here are not like that, and honestly, I am just as tired of hearing it as you probably are that men are sex-craved assholes who don't respect women.

Fact of the matter is, the exact same can be said of men from women. There comes a time in a man's life where I think he wants to settle down and have a family as well. I think that could also be said of that age group of men, or a short time after, but I do think it happens moreso often than not.

No one should be roped into anything, that's final. Man or woman.

The end. I am done. I am not even trying to argue; just trying to state that good women can say the same of bad men just as easily as good men can say it about bad women. Things can more often than not be easily reciprocated.

You two kids make a great looking couple.
I wish you much happiness and prosperity in the future.

I've wanted to say that for awhile and now I have.

Thank you very much

 

[Sandman33]

No one should be roped into anything, that's final. Man or woman.

I agree!

And yes if that's you and your boyfriend/husband you do make a great looking couple and I wish you the best.

 

[forsmant]

But this thread is about women. Not men.

 

[Sandman33]

i'm 30. She is 23.
So there is an age gap.
I've been through a lot more than she has- I've seen every act of manipulation a woman can throw at you- and I calmly point it out when she does them.
We've been together for 3 years and she is better now than she was in the beginning- but I believe that is only because I've lived enough to have the wisdom not to be a doormat.
My education makes me an expert on human interactions- and my wild life has given me much wisdom.

Best post in the thread. Sorry I mised it earlier Torch..