What Do Women Want?

[torchbearer]

It's not that bad, I do jest.
Wouldn't trade her for nothin'.

I love my woman to death- but if she doesn't get her way- she is worse than a child.
I point it out to her. She reforms her action, then the next time- goes right back to it.
Almost to the point that if you want peace in the house- you have to bow to every command.
It really is ridiculous

 

[Dieseler]

I love my woman to death- but if she doesn't get her way- she is worse than a child.
I point it out to her. She reforms her action, then the next time- goes right back to it.
Almost to the point that if you want peace in the house- you have to bow to every command.
It really is ridiculous

I don't know your or the Misses age but I will say this.
Things get much better with time.
All of the little things seem to iron themselves out now where years ago they would cause huge problems.

 

[Dieseler]

Oh, I do remember years back, when I asked my Wife what women wanted,
She said "Security."
She also explained in a way that I can not, that security means more than just the definition of security.
I understand it better now than I did then.

 

[torchbearer]

I don't know your or the Misses age but I will say this.
Things get much better with time.
All of the little things seem to iron themselves out now where years ago they would cause huge problems.

i'm 30. She is 23.
So there is an age gap.
I've been through a lot more than she has- I've seen every act of manipulation a woman can throw at you- and I calmly point it out when she does them.
We've been together for 3 years and she is better now than she was in the beginning- but I believe that is only because I've lived enough to have the wisdom not to be a doormat.
My education makes me an expert on human interactions- and my wild life has given me much wisdom.

 

[Sandman33]

Pray tell, have you a statistic handy for the number of divorces initiated by women pursuant to the infidelity of their men -- or do you only store ammo for use against women?





Not typical, but a lot, about half, maybe not typical, not an exception, quite prevalent.

Sounds to me less like you know what you're talking about, and more like you have strong FEELINGS.




May 2006, either Time or Newsweek reported -- with all kinds of statistics, like you like -- that women are paid less than men FOR THE SAME JOB AND WITH THE SAME TRAINING in every single state of this nation.

In 2007, our Roman Senate voted NO! NOT YET, EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN.

As for who chooses the easy, perky, cushy jobs, get a load of how men dominate Politics.





Oh, I recognized you at once as a man of pride. The question is whether Ron Paul is proud to have the likes of YOU as a supporter. That's what I mean to find out.

Are you a one-trick pony when it comes to supporting candidates -- Ron Paul, that's IT? Certainly THIS inquiring mind is interested to know which other quote-unquote Liberty candidates enjoy your proud support.





Not only are men today not being taught fidelity, they patronize hookers. Check out one of your compatriots who admires the dude with 21 kids by 10 different women.

Hypocrisy is bipartisan and unisex.

So you're blaming MEN for having sex with the whores? Like they have a CHOICE. It's fuck whores or don't have sex at all. And men are NOT going to stop having sex just because of that. Niether are the women for that matter.

It's like telling a man to stop eating rotten bread when thats ALL he has to eat.

And I'm not saying that ALL men are saints...in fact I mentioned that some women swear off men alltogether after dating a real dickhead. You ask about prostitution...I don't approve of prostitution and I've never used one. Do I think the men shouldnt be using them...sure. But don't blame the men for buying when THEY are selling.


I'm not bashing ALL women like you seem to think I am. I have mentioned good women several times and I definitely appreciate them. I treat them the way a lady should be treated. But finding LADIES can be difficult. And I'm not a PIG like you wish to call me. Quite the opposite. And GiveMeLiberty you seem like a great girl from what you have said about not putting out so fast and looking for intelligent conversation rather than immediate lust. Thats cool and I wish more were like you.

Am I a one trick pony when supporting Candidates? Well I consider politics like that dating game.....Lots of bullshit with little quality. And Ron Paul is the only one speaking the TRUTH. Kucinich has his moments but he's not Ron. After seeing Kokesh here on this site I very much agree with him as well. But Ron is really the only one in higher politics that's not full of shit.

About equal pay. You aren't going to like this ONE bit, but I really don't give a shit because its the TRUTH.

I wan't equal pay for equal work. Thats fair. And I am ALL about fairness and EQUALITY. I want you women to take equality as it is...not as you make it or wish it to be.

What you aren't taking into context is that MANY salaries and many hourly wages are NEGOTIATED. In fact the VAST majority of jobs, pay is negotiated between the employee and the employer. If women aren't being paid the same when they NEGOTIATE thier pay that screams ONE thing.

"WOMEN AREN'T AS GOOD AS MEN AT NEGOTIATION"

Jobs where salaries and hourly wages are SET like government or city positions the salaries ARE the same between men and women.

Women are FAR more likely to show up late, and leave early from work. Don't like that? Well neither do I but it's the truth. Women leave their employers to "take Johnny to soccer" or claim they are having menstrual problems, and women also get a LONG time of paid maternity leave as well. Not to mention bullshit sexual harrassment lawsuits that put employers at RISK. Meaning that as an employer that simply wants PRODUCTIVITY out of his employees...hiring women is a LIABILITY and hiring men is an asset.

And before you start screeching about sexual harassment, NO I don't endorse it but you know damn well that women have taken advantage of it.

You claim that men dominate politics and you're right. Because take a good hard look at what happens when women get into politics....PELOSI, HILLARY, and even PALIN. If they aren't completely left wing zealots that are consistantly pushing MORE laws and MORE restrictions they are idiots. You expect men to vote for that?

It's not MENS fault that women aren't in more political positions. It's womens fault because even women won't vote for a woman. Sure a few will purely out of "girl power" while ignoring the issues completely. But people in the real world don't vote for women because women think with their EMOTIONS rather than logic and push more legislation rather than freedom.

I love how women like you claim that SO many positions are held by men like doctors, lawyers, politicians, engineers, scientists, etc.....like women are being held back....THEY ARENT. The truth is that women just plain don't SEEK those jobs. Because it's too easy to take an air condidtioned office job while waiting for prince charming to enter your life and pay for everything. THATS whats really going on in their heads. The women that really do bust their ass through college and seek those jobs GET THEM!

And if women REALLY want to be a part of the work force instead of being a wife and taking care of a family....WHY don't they go for the construction jobs, or plumbing, or Electricians or any thing with actualy LABOR? If women make up 52%of the population why must all the MEN take the jobs where you sweat and bust your ass? How is that equality?

Here's some sense, from a woman:
YouTube - The Case Against Feminism

 

[acptulsa]

The women that really do bust their ass through college and seek those jobs GET THEM!

Glad to find one spot in your rant where you're not trying to stuff all the world's women into one little tiny box.

I've had just enough clinkers come through my life that the one thing I love most about women is that they're all different. Every single one.

 

[Dieseler]

i'm 30. She is 23.
So there is an age gap.
I've been through a lot more than she has- I've seen every act of manipulation a woman can throw at you- and I calmly point it out when she does them.
We've been together for 3 years and she is better now than she was in the beginning- but I believe that is only because I've lived enough to have the wisdom not to be a doormat.
My education makes me an expert on human interactions- and my wild life has given me much wisdom.

You could be Albert Einstein with the charisma of Adam Kokesh (Hope I spelled dudes name right) and it would make no difference. The first 15 years of marriage are a test of compatibility and serve toward building trust.
If you make it 20 years the next 5 will be a breeze.
I can tell just from the forums here that you like to win arguments.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you can graciously admit defeat when you are wrong and accept that no one is right all the time, even when they think they are.
Hint, hint.
I'm not going to argue with you about this either, so don't even try.

 

[torchbearer]

When you earn the nick-name "before-thought" from all the people you know because you are right- all the time.
And people come to you for advice because they know it will be the right advice.
You too will understand that you don't have to be Albert Einstein to know what will happen, you just have to understand Sociology to its core and have done enough in your life and made more mistakes than anyone ever could in one life time to be able to sit back and know with confidence- that are you correct.
On this forum- I have been wrong many times- it involved factual data that didn't remove the underlying principle of what I said- only the quantitative differences I listed.

Seeing the future isn't divination.

 

[Dieseler]

When you earn the nick-name "before-thought" from all the people you know because you are right- all the time.
And people come to you for advice because they know it will be the right advice.
You too will understand that you don't have to be Albert Einstein to know what will happen, you just have to understand Sociology to its core and have done enough in your life and made more mistakes than anyone ever could in one life time to be able to sit back and know with confidence- that are you correct.
On this forum- I have been wrong many times- it involved factual data that didn't remove the underlying principle of what I said- only the quantitative differences I listed.

Seeing the future isn't divination.

Maybe your blessed with a curse if you see it that way.
Shouldn't be hard to ditch the curse part of that just by listening more and talking less.
I'm not poking you with a stick so don't go all hostile on me.

 

[torchbearer]

Maybe your blessed with a curse if you see it that way.
Shouldn't be hard to ditch the curse part of that just by listening more and talking less.
I'm not poking you with a stick so don't go all hostile on me.

I spent 27 years of my life listening. So your supposition is incorrect.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sandman,

I've been watching this thread for awhile and the thing that strikes me about your comments/rants is that you are very bitter. As a woman, I can't say as I disagree with you that there are women like you have described in existence. I didn't believe it for the longest time, as the people in my circle are very much NOT like that. But, in a couple of positions I held at work, I certainly did run into women that were like this. You need to understand something, Sandman, women like you describe disgust the rest of us, just as much as they do you. But, let me suggest to you that if you don't get the chip off your shoulder, you will drive away all the good women.

Stop putting half the population into your self-arranged little box and try treating everyone as an individual. Isn't that what we clamor for in this movement; or is this just another example of do what I say, not what I do?

 

[Dieseler]

I spent 27 years of my life listening. So your supposition is incorrect.

Wouldn't be the first time.
Ask my Wife.

 

[torchbearer]

Wouldn't be the first time.
Ask my Wife.

I was described as someone who didn't talk a lot. The quiet guy.
This is how I learned. I am hyper-vigilant. I studied people without talking.
How did I know I was started to grasp everything I had learned?
When someone would initiate a conversation a certain way- in my mind- I would play out how the rest of the conversation would go.
Over time I noticed I could always peg it.
Then I move on to other things- after awhile I realize that my years of observations and study had indeed given me insight.
So then, a few years ago- I begin to speak. I would tell people how things would happen if they pursued them a certain way.
Some would listen- most would not. But I was always correct in my prediction.
Human interactions was my focus in sociology, but it wasn't those classes that gave me the understanding.

 

[Dieseler]

I was described as someone who didn't talk a lot. The quiet guy.
This is how I learned. I am hyper-vigilant. I studied people without talking.
How did I know I was started to grasp everything I had learned?
When someone would initiate a conversation a certain way- in my mind- I would play out how the rest of the conversation would go.
Over time I noticed I could always peg it.
Then I move on to other things- after awhile I realize that my years of observations and study had indeed given me insight.
So then, a few years ago- I begin to speak. I would tell people how things would happen if they pursued them a certain way.
Some would listen- most would not. But I was always correct in my prediction.
Human interactions was my focus in sociology, but it wasn't those classes that gave me the understanding.

You could be suffering from Illusions of Grandeur.

 

[Sandman33]

Sandman,

I've been watching this thread for awhile and the thing that strikes me about your comments/rants is that you are very bitter. As a woman, I can't say as I disagree with you that there are women like you have described in existence. I didn't believe it for the longest time, as the people in my circle are very much NOT like that. But, in a couple of positions I held at work, I certainly did run into women that were like this. You need to understand something, Sandman, women like you describe disgust the rest of us, just as much as they do you. But, let me suggest to you that if you don't get the chip off your shoulder, you will drive away all the good women.

Stop putting half the population into your self-arranged little box and try treating everyone as an individual. Isn't that what we clamor for in this movement; or is this just another example of do what I say, not what I do?

I appreciate your concern and my first few posts were meant to be comedic with some facts involved as well. I'm not nearly as bitter as it may seem.

I've said before that there ARE very good women out there and God bless them. So I'm not putting ALL women in one box. There are several boxes and I have labeled them accordingly. But I for one am TIRED to death of hearing how "oppressed" women are today...because they arent. Not only are they not oppressed but they have many advantages that men don't have.

It's honestly to the point now where womens right's lobbyists are a joke and just need to go AWAY. But once you've created a for profit organization that gets that huge it just becomes another beurocracy. Women HAVE the same rights as men and unjust laws to prop them up as well. All thats left for women's rights advocates to do is seek unjust benefits for women now. Thats all they have left.

It's like Joe Biden with his plastic smile screaming to all the women's rights advocates about how PROUD he is of his Violence Against Women Act. Which is completely unconstitutional. You as a man are now guilty untill proven innocent! All your wife or girlfriend has to do is pick up the phone, dial 911, say you hit her, and YOU GO TO JAIL. Combine that with how you're wife has your BALLS if she wants a divorce and it's no wonder why men today aren't getting married....its fn DANGEROUS! And common law is complete bullshit that you have to give up HALF of your stuff to your girlfriend if you break up...and can be forced to pay her alimony.

Women wonder why many men won't commit today and wonder why society has apparently gone to hell. I will tell you the truth but it's not FUN. Its UGLY. But don't blame ME for speaking it. No one wants to realize that the federal reserve isn't federal, and sure as hell isn't a reserve, but don't blame Ron Paul for showing you.

 

[torchbearer]

You could be suffering from Illusions of Grandeur.

I could be- but since I have to interact with people- they would all have to be "in on it".

 

[dannno]

Honestly, I have met so many bad men in my life (thankfully I have gotten away from them all) that there were times in my life I thought about using men as they have used me. But I know, for a long while, I was letting men in my past use me and I didn't do a damn thing about it - so in the end it was no more his fault than it was mine. It won't happen again.

Hmm, curious, what were men using you for, if not for sex

Money? Fake relationship?

I was always confused when girls would say that they were "taken advantage of" during consenting encounters as well and I think these may be related

 

[torchbearer]

You could be suffering from Illusions of Grandeur.

After mowing my yard- I empathized from your position.
I remember studying in college a school of sociologist known as Behaviorist.
They claimed to be able to scientifically predict people's behaviors.
I believed them to be full of shit- The same as you see my claims now.
But they weren't full of shit. It took me about 7 years to get to that admission. I wasn't even looking to prove them right, but in my heart, I wanted them to be wrong.
TruthWarrior was a fascinating study. He was so predictable, that people thought he could be a bot.
I even bet, that you have a good idea of what I will say in a response. If you follow my every response since the beginning of this forum, you could easily write out my next.
Same with Ron. You could almost say what he would say next- and so on.
It isn't divination or mysticism. It is science.
In order for us to land a craft on mars, we have to know where it will be in the future. We don't use a crystal ball for that prediction.
Same goes with human behavior. All people are different, yet somehow- we have threads that are the same.
Social Statistics- I had written off in college as phony stats.
How could you mix nominal level variables with numeric variables and get anything of meaning?
How could you find strengths of relationships using numbers?
How could you take someones open ended answer and turn it into a closed ended result?
All these questions plaqued me- and I rebelled against such ideas for many years.
Though I did learn to use them. I refused to believe I was predictable.

Unfortunately, we aren't unique beautiful snowflakes.

 

[Sandman33]

Hmm, curious, what were men using you for, if not for sex

Money? Fake relationship?

I was always confused when girls would say that they were "taken advantage of" during consenting encounters as well and I think these may be related

Thats the TRUTH as well and that DOES infuriate me. And that DOES make me bitter at women. I have no problem admitting that.

*THIS ISN'T ALL WOMEN BUT IT'S THE MAJORITY IN THIS AGE GROUP*

Women hit about 27-30 years old and realize that working SUCKS, one night stands are EMPTY, and that at this point in their lives they probably will not get married or have children....and they WANT BABIES. And now that they realized how much grinding for the system blows they want to get married because in thier mind THATS the escape route from reality. Find a man to latch onto like a PARASITE.

But they won't tell you that. They will date you, hang out with you, (all while expecting YOU to pay for everything) then have completely consentual sex with you, often initiating it themselves.

They enjoy sex too although it seems taboo for them to admit that because it sounds too whorish.....even though they've been screwing different men for 15 years now. LOL and god forbid if they adit that they enjoy it, it removes some of the "value" of their vagina. As if they are prividing YOU some amazing service out of the "goodness of their hearts" and it's a job for them.....even though YOU as a man usually do ALL the work during sex.

They enjoy and often initiate sex with men....and then afterwards something in their head tells them that they have been "taken advantage of" It's complete BULLSHIT. I can't think of any more bullshit than that. POLITICIANS couldnt lie to themselves like women do.

Yes ladies, you were taken advantage of after consentual sex....and tower 7 fell because of a few fires too

So women tell themselves that they were taken advantage of...and men are asshloles....this they think justifies LYING to men about being on the pill or lying to men about their goals of nabbing a husband.

It's twisted, batshit crazy, and should be criminal.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Hmm, curious, what were men using you for, if not for sex

Money? Fake relationship?

I was always confused when girls would say that they were "taken advantage of" during consenting encounters as well and I think these may be related

Pretty much everything but sex. If you think men can't use women for other uses besides sex, then you are seriously mistaken.

I was a guidance counselor, a mother, a guide, a mentor, the person who dropped everything to help him, gave money to help him... eventually he definitely took advantage of that, to the point where it was interfering with my life. In the meanwhile, when I was starting to see the light and he knew this too, I was told I was a nothing and that he was the best I could get, that no one would put up with me, etc, etc.

I am a very giving person, always usually to the point I get taken advantage of. I am not really a strong emotional person, and I take people's words to heart. I let people in very easily, and it just so happens that a lot of my deep issues stem from the fact I let a lot of guys in that I really shouldn't have, and I admit I gave them a bit too much of a mental hold over me.

No regrets though, everything happens for a reason, and it certainly pointed me into the right direction (Shem has treated me with the most respect any man ever has in my life).