What Do Women Want?

I've wondered about this ever since a girl I knew confessed this to her friend, who in turn told me. Her fantasy was being raped by a burglar in the middle of the night.

Needless to say I was like WTF:eek: that chick is whack. However she seemed perfectly normal in all other respects.

My best-friend-turned-girlfriend-now-best-friend used to tell me that one of her hottest fantasies was about getting raped. :eek:

And just the other night my gf told me to effe her like I was raping her :eek:

What's up with this?
 
I'll give you my two cents, bought through hard experience.

No woman worth having wants a man she can push around. Simple as that. That means women are attracted to men that are confident, a little indifferent to the woman (especially at the seduction phase), even a bit scary physically, intellectually, and emotionally. They are not attracted to a man they think they have in the bag. They should never doubt they can lose you if they don't treat you right.

Want to turn a woman off instantly? Let her think she has you wrapped around her finger. Want to turn her on? Let her know in no uncertain terms that you will not stand for the slightest disrespect from her. Insist on holding your own reigns and let her know she can take a hike if she doesn't like it.

The real essence of it is this, a man must prefer to be alone the rest of his life than spend one minute with a woman who wants to be his boss or treats him disrespectfully. And why would you want to be with such a woman anyway? Once you really have that attitude and LIVE it, you will have all the women you want. It is one of those paradoxes in life - the second you realize you can be happy without a woman, you don't have to be.

This doesn't mean you need to be a dick, although every guy knows that the guys who got most of the girls in high school WERE dicks. It DOES mean that you have to be ready to say "fuck off" to ANY woman who does not treat you properly and the second you can't, you are hosed.

The rape fantasy is simply an expression of a woman's erotic attraction to men who take control. So take control. Not with a knife, fool, with your attitude. Don't be a selfish asshole or an abusive jerk. But take control. Be decisive. And then look out for her interests.

Most women will be turned on by a guy who takes control and then uses his power in the relationship to take care of her. You are doing her a favor by being a confident, dominant man.

I have got to say, I COMPLETELY agree with this.

It's one of the reasons me hubby gets me going so often. Ever heard of a taken in hand relationship? Yep. MMhmm. Google it if not.

I love that he takes no crap from me, that he holds me to a higher standard.

Another thing I love that he does, but some people don't get is that when we sleep side by side he puts his hand flat on my back and it sort of holds me there. It has to do with his telling me to sleep, don't move. I LOVE that.
 
Here's one answer to you guys about the rape thing, from a great refernce site for taken in hand relationships:

http://www.takeninhand.com/node/216
When rape is a gift

I know, I know, it's a dangerous title, and I'll get hatemail. So let me say straight away that on no account do I advocate or in any way condone rape or abuse of any kind. Indeed, I urge all women (and men!) to use whatever force is necessary to defend themselves against would-be rapists, muggers and murderers. The last stranger in the street to be so misguided as to think that I would make a good rape victim probably didn't end up in hospital, but judging from his screams as I incapacitated him, and the way he staggered as he made his escape, he probably regretted having picked me to mess with.

The sort of ‘rape’ that is a gift is the sort given by a man to the woman he loves because she wants it. Many women do.

Many men reading this will be feeling very uneasy. Nothing is guaranteed to bring a man out in a cold sweat faster than raising the subject of rape – except actually asking him to rape you, of course. “Oh, I could never do that!”, a man will say in a tone of alarm. No decent man wants to be a rapist.

But it's not rape and it's not immoral if the woman wants it. Is it?

It's a gift.

I have talked to a number of women about this over the years, and several have spoken of the deep gratitude they feel to the man who trusts and loves them enough to do this. These are dangerous waters, legally, so the man must trust the woman not to run to the police and cry “rape!” He must have the strength to risk making himself vulnerable in this way. He must have faith that she knows what she wants and is willing to take the risk. He must believe in his ability not to misjudge the situation, and in the woman's ability to deal with it well if he does. He must be willing to be profoundly and intensely intimate with the other person. And for some men, contemplating such action forces them to face their own dark and troubling desires – desires they fear make them a monster. All this takes courage, strength, trust, and nerves of steel. Not for the faint-hearted!

And not something to do cavalierly. Extreme caution is advised. If you are not careful, your gift could be the psychological equivalent of a lethal letter bomb. Do not proceed in haste. Be sure to discuss it thoroughly first, to ensure that, as one woman put it, you are on the same page. If she wants more of a set scene at an agreed time but you think she wants you to take her completely by surprise – such as by creeping up on her in the dead of night when she thinks you are on a business trip two continents away – things might not go quite as well as you'd hoped. When in doubt, discuss it explicitly and in great detail first. And assume that the two of you might be mistaken about it all, and be ready to backtrack, make changes, and (if you both desire it) try again.

But enough of all that. How can it possibly be a gift? What might be going through a woman's mind before, during and afterwards? How does she feel?

How she feels beforehand depends upon the individual circumstances, but she may well feel fear – and she may well want to feel fear. Her heart may be thumping, her adrenalin pumping, her mouth dry, her palms sweaty: an exhilarating sort of fear, not the fear of a victim. She may be experiencing the most intense desire to be taken she has ever felt: a desire made only more intense the more strongly she resists and fights.

She may feel the need to fight as hard as she can, while willing you to prevail. When you do, the physical shock may be indescribably exquisitely pleasurable. She may feel as though she has billions of nerve-endings she had never had before. She may have the most intense climax she has ever had. She may scream as you have never heard her scream before. You may notice that her whole body suddenly relaxes, submitting, welcoming, worshipping. The whole experience may leave her feeling absolutely ecstatic, utterly peaceful, deeply submissive, totally yours. Connected. You may see in her eyes deep love, reverence, awe, soft submissiveness, deep gratitude, adoration, and belonging. She may well be moved to tears.

Hold her. Stroke her hair. Kiss her softly. You have taken her. She is yours.
 
There's a proper spooning technique? I always just kinda wrapped my arm underneath their arm and kinda locked it across their boobs. Wow, I guess I was n00b. I mean that always seemed to be where they placed my arm anyway.
 
Well seriously your hubby sounds like a pro on the cuddle. I'd never think to slap a hand on the back.
 
Yeah, it's like a possessive, defensive type thing. I LOVE it. He is a pro at it.

It's not just slapping the hand on me. It's like a possessive, she's mine, don't touch her type move.
 
Yeah, it's like a possessive, defensive type thing. I LOVE it. He is a pro at it.

It's not just slapping the hand on me. It's like a possessive, she's mine, don't touch her type move.

I confess, I am surprised that a hubby of your description is okay with you discussing your intimate life so freely with so many people who are so far removed from the quite insular home life that you have also described. Uber privacy kinda seemed like it would be the order of the day. I appreciate that he trusts your discretion and that you would never overstep the line of propriety but, even so, the intimate life of a couple seems like EXACTLY the place to have a sort of sanctity. Just the two of you. I'm guessing, I still don't have a handle on this shit.
 
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Try and turn that around.

If you are approaching a girl you don't know, the last thing you want is a look on your face that says "gee, I sure would like to talk to you, if you don't mind". Instead you want a look on your face like, "hey fool, did you take my beer?" The more attractive the girl is, the less interest you should show. In fact, you should insult her shoes. An attractive girl has a continuous line of dorks complimenting her and fawning over her every day of her life. If you want to be ignored, just be another dork complimenting her. If you want to get her attention and not trigger her "get lost dork" reflex, DON'T ACT LIKE JUST ANOTHER DESPERATE DORK!. Ask her how far she had to chase the clown before she got his shoes. She might tell you to fuck off, but she might not. You put HER on the defensive and knock her off balance. If she doesn't tell you to fuck off, ask her to buy you a drink. She will refuse, but then you can say "fine, I'll buy the drinks, but then you have to sleep with me tonight". If she has a sense of humor, she will be laughing by now and you will be way past the "get lost dork" point. She will have to evaluate you outside her preconceived notions. If she doesn't have a sense of humor, then what would you want with her anyway?

The point is, you need to impress her with how little you care if she likes you or not.

But DON'T insult anything she can't change. Don't say "wow, nice shnoz, Sea Biscuit!".

Ladies, whaddya think? Anyone gettin' that cozy hop-to feelin'?

For that matter, are there any MEN who would like to be approached by ANYONE who has a "hey fool, did you take my beer" look on their face?
 
About 'taken-in hand relationships':

What is it when the woman is the 'alpha-male' and the male is submissive?
 
With respect, I will suggest that both Acala's and asimplegirl's personal ideals for relationships are somewhat Extreme to be passed along with assumed superiority or to be accepted unquestioningly as superior. As guides to forming relationships, we all start out with only whatever we learned -- what we witnessed, what we experienced. There's LOTS of stuff to figger out, 'specially if ya come from a Dysfunctional Family. Which is almost everyone I ever met.

If a relationship is The One, I should think that all this defining and fine tuning IS the process of growing old together.
 
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About 'taken-in hand relationships':

What is it when the woman is the 'alpha-male' and the male is submissive?

Screwed up? My mom and dad? Puss whipped?

I confess, I am surprised that a hubby of your description is okay with you discussing your intimate life so freely with so many people who are so far removed from the quite insular home life that you have also described. Uber privacy kinda seemed like it would be the order of the day. I appreciate that he trusts your discretion and that you would never overstep the line of propriety but, even so, the intimate life of a couple seems like EXACTLY the place to have a sort of sanctity. Just the two of you. I'm guessing, I still don't have a handle on this shit.

Am I supposed to be ashamed? I didn't tell anyone our sexual life or anything. This is a lifestyle..not our bedroom life.
 
Uber privacy kinda seemed like it would be the order of the day. I appreciate that he trusts your discretion and that you would never overstep the line of propriety but, even so, the intimate life of a couple seems like EXACTLY the place to have a sort of sanctity. Just the two of you. I'm guessing, I still don't have a handle on this shit.

Am I supposed to be ashamed? I didn't tell anyone our sexual life or anything. This is a lifestyle..not our bedroom life.

Please. First, we know perfectly well that there is NO ONE in your world who could or would shame you, likewise that there is nothing about your life of which you are ashamed.

But your set-up is uncommon and so are some of your views. You know that, too, and yet you SEEM to be presenting them as Preferred.

Lotta these guys are Twenty Something. As an oldster, I feel duty-bound to point out that yours is but ONE model of relationship.

As well, when I say that I'm surprised, I AM surprised. My surprise does NOT connote insult. Me, I wouldn't like it if my sleeping habits were discussed without me. Boundaries are DEFINITELY among things that couples need to sort out.
 
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Please. First, we know perfectly well that there is NO ONE in your world who could or would shame you, likewise that there is nothing about your life of which you are ashamed.

::Nods::

But your set-up is uncommon and so are some of your views. You know that, too, and yet you SEEM to be presenting them as Preferred.

I just know that lots of women, most in fact, prefer a confident man that is strong willed, whether they admit it or not. We are shown how to play games from the time of birth. I don't like those games...I wouldn't suggest doing anything else unless you are in a relationship with a women who likes the type of relationship I have. LOL.

Lotta these guys are Twenty Something. As an oldster, I feel duty-bound to point out that yours is but ONE model of relationship.

If I seemed to be telling people to do things my hubby does, I wasn't and I am glad for you correcting that. Just talking about acting more confident with girls..the other stuff were other questions I was answering, sorry.

As well, when I say that I'm surprised, I AM surprised. My surprise does NOT connote insult. Me, I wouldn't like it if my sleeping habits were discussed without me. Boundaries are DEFINITELY among things that couples need to sort out.


Well, thanks for explaining. I told hubby as I was typing. But, I mean, its *sleeping* habits, not anything crazy. You know?
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Um wow well the rape stuff was kinda weird, but cuddling is not such a sensitive issue. My experience is if you place a hand where they don't want it, they'll let you know.
 
yes, m, that's exactly the point. Don't overstep your bounds, and only go that far with a girl you know for sure understands what she is getting into, and can handle that, and WANTS it.

I don't.. though I do like hubby's way of being in control with everything.

Every women is different. You just be honest and up front and confident, and generally you will receive that same courtesy.
 
yes, m, that's exactly the point. Don't overstep your bounds, and only go that far with a girl you know for sure understands what she is getting into, and can handle that, and WANTS it.

I don't.. though I do like hubby's way of being in control with everything.

Every women is different. You just be honest and up front and confident, and generally you will receive that same courtesy.

Um....yeah, well sometimes not gonna kill anyone's optimism :p
 
LOL. I am serious. Most all women like a man who takes charge. That much is true. Just trust it.

Follow that and everything else will fall in place.
 
I'm pretty sure it's alittle more complicated than that. I mean you don't like just anyone pulling that crap.
 
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