What do I say to a person about Iraq?

[DeadtoSin]

I'm going to be talking to someone tommorow that is very pro Iraq War. What do I say to them about why we should leave? What will I talk about when he says that when we pull out it will cause a lot of turmoil in the nation? He will probably cite the massacre that happened when we pull out of Vietnam, because he is fairly history savvy.

Thanks!

 

[Drknows]

The cost of the war.

let them know how much money is being spent and how it effects the economy. Tell them china is our pawn shop. We borrow billions from them then spend billions buying their exports.

 

[Alabama Supporter]

Talk about social security, no irs, and balanced budgets. The war is a deep seeded belief in most people, and I don't recommend trying to convince them otherwise.

My wife has been brainwashed in regards to Iraq and we just had a knockdown drag out because my church congregation supposedly worships the Prince of Peace, yet they love war.

 

[bbachtung]

If he's "history savvy," then he'll acknowledge that Vietnam is now a trading partner of ours and the people there are enjoying a much better standard of living. Also, who elected the U.S. protector of Iraq and how many American lives is it worth to "stabilize" Iraq?

 

[DeadtoSin]

Well, the man I am talking to is a fellow Christian. Sadly, the war in Iraq is the main thing that Christians have been hoodwinked on. How do I appeal to him here? In Vietnam he will talk about the cost of the lives that happened to people in Vietnam after we left?

Do I merely minimize the fact by saying it got bad for a little short time, and got rapidly better. Then mention that we are now trading partners with them?

Any suggestions on the loss of life issue would be great...

 

[DeadtoSin]

Yeah, just a little bit more input will probably suffice guys. I've almost got the thought flowing coherently in my head..

 

[Indy Vidual]

What do I say to a person about Iraq?

If the surge is really working, why are we still there?

 

[evadmurd]

Quote one of my favorite people:

"Just come home. We just marched in and we should just march out." -- Ron Paul

 

[CzargwaR]

shift the topic to democrat vs republican in primary. Say majority of population is against the war, republicans lost 2006 election because of pro-war stance. If republicans lose now, democrats have full control of gov't.

We don't want a welfare, national health care, more taxes state. Can't let this happen so republicans should nominate someone that is against the war but still has republican positions on domestic issues- Ron Paul- that's the only way republicans will have chance

Basically try to find common ground and work Ron Paul into it.

 

[marsha s]

Tell him we've completed the mission - Saddam is gone. Now we are just fighting against Iraqis who want us out of there. They won't quit fighting us until we leave - never - as long as we're there. How many lives and dollars is it worth just to keep a presence there? Was that the goal he had in mind at the start of the war? A permanent presence there? To what end?

Tell him that a majority of the Iraqi legislature - that we helped create and want to legitimize - wants us gone. Why do we now disregard what they have to say?

 

[reaver]

I'm going to be talking to someone tommorow that is very pro Iraq War. What do I say to them about why we should leave? What will I talk about when he says that when we pull out it will cause a lot of turmoil in the nation? He will probably cite the massacre that happened when we pull out of Vietnam, because he is fairly history savvy.

Thanks!

[from an Iraqi]

Now, I have a story to tell my son Haider about. It is a story that is more interested than Titanic and the Lord of the Rings. Its even deeper in Histroy that the story of the famous Iraqi Myth hero Gelgamish and his firs written epic that we always talked proudly about. It's the STORY OF THE IRAQI FLAG.

Yes we changed the flag and all our problems were solved in a second. Now we shall not care about the electricity problem because our flag will lighten our dark night, it will warm our frozen souls, we will not even think about the thousands of the displaced families because the new flag will be their houses and it will feed their angry hungry stomachs. Now, we will be able to reconstruct our destroyed country because we will build skyscrapers, hospitals and schools made of the Iraqi flags.

I swear I'm still looking for the word that reflects my DEEP DISAPPOINTMENT. Is that what our parliament care about? Shallow issues? Why did they change the flag? To satisfy the Kurds? Well, they will never be satisfied and they will ask for more day after day like fire, it never refuses more fuel. In fact, changing the flag added nothing to the whole political process because it satisfied the Kurds but angered the Sunni who refused to raise the new flag.

I just want to ask our lawmakers "is that all you can do? Do you think that this poor nation went to the election in 2005 when the sectarian violence was everywhere just to give you the chance to change the flag and to approve some other useless laws?

 

[matratzac]

hand them the movie "why we fight" and "iraq for sale"

 

[Redmenace]

Tell him that when the British left southern Iraq Violence dropped 90%

Tell him that they said that when we left Vietnam that country would fall into chaos and would create a domino effect that would cause all of southeast Asia to fall under communist rule. They were dead wrong and now Vietnam is a major trading partner and has a booming economy.

 

[dirka]

Is he already serving in Iraq?? Has he enlisted to help fight.

If he hasn't, tell him that he is a fucking pussy and a coward that would vote to send other brave men and women in his place. I hate these assholes that are pro war but are to pussy to go fight. I am anti war and would never vote to send someone in my place.

 

[DeadtoSin]

He is in his 50's...he can't enlist...

 

[faisal]

tell him that there will be more terrorism if we stay. Also tell him we can't afford it, and if all else fails, call him a **** and leave...

 

[DealzOnWheelz]

Have some enlistment forms there for his children or grandchildren then.

Just ask him if he knew the United States Economy would collapse if we continue this empire what would he think is the best thing to do??


Or

Agree that it's questionable as to whether we stay in IRAQ or not but ask him about the spending on the troops in germany,japan, korea, and all the 129 other countries..

 

[Akus]

I'm going to be talking to someone tommorow that is very pro Iraq War. What do I say to them about why we should leave? What will I talk about when he says that when we pull out it will cause a lot of turmoil in the nation? He will probably cite the massacre that happened when we pull out of Vietnam, because he is fairly history savvy.

Thanks!

We are running bankrupt. Osama bin Laden has stated that he wants to defeat America by bankrupting it, not military overthrowing it. We are fighting a hostile country by borrowing funds from another hostile country (China) and are running into bankruptcy.

Our troops are underequipped and underfunded and are treated like shit at home when trying to get a medical care.

We are telling Iraquis how to protect their borders while no one is watching ours.

Even if Saddam was a threat, we went with no plan and no knowledge of the Iraqui reality, the religious fractures, and the state of mind of the people. We had no plan what to do once Saddam was gone and Dick Cheney himself back in 1994 stated that attacking Iraq would be a major strategic lapse of judgement.

We are screwed if we leave, true, but we are twice as screwed if we stay. We are achieveing nothing and those good news that you do hear are temporary and subtle. The country's problems are centuries old and American presence will not solve them.

 

[bolognium]

read up on the Art of War and tell him how this was the biggest strategic mistake the Nation has ever made.. tell him Ron Paul supported the fight in Afghanistan and he's using his wisdom not idealism in his opposition to the war - that it will only make things worse the longer we stay.

"...to fight and conquer in all your battles
is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists
in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

if we want to defeat islamic fundamentalists then we must make more friends than they do - we can't give them easy propaganda by dropping bombs and invading countries.

read it up - http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

"If you know the enemy
and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a
hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy,
for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will
succumb in every battle."

I don't think the US knows either itself or the enemy.

 

[Magsec]

You know, I used to be for the war as I usually found myself agreeing with Boortz and Rush alot.

Then I stopped listening to them due to scheduling, schooling, etc. Then I heard some commendations about a GOP candidate who was scorned by the others. I took a gander to see what the fuss was about and I listened to his position on Iraq (As I'm a strong proponent of harmony and hearing others out). Then I witnessed Giuliani destroy the very meaning of "debate" and somehow get mass applause for it.

I always thought the whole anti-war thing was just a political position: Party 1 took choice A so Party 2 will have to take choice B and defend that position. I must thank Giuliani, because without that comment I wouldn't have bothered looking into the deeper underpinnings of the war, how it wasn't declared, the "Just War" theory, and the spending. The anti-war position has a lot of support, mostly from the Constitution. The pro-war argument is basically "it's a good thing to do in the long run, (Laws be damned)"