What causes conflict between Christian Conservative Republicans and libertarians?

ghemminger said:
Always wondered about this. We are for the abolishment of the income tax and constitutional principles. I wonder where such DEEP hate come from???
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My $0.02. The title of this thread (WHy do Christian Conservative Republicans Hate US so MUCH?!?) is group think times two-- ie: why does one group hate another group? It attempts to lump a bunch of people with some characteristic into a group that is bound to some trait-- in this case, hate, against other people that happen to have some characteristic. I would consider this thread title as anti-intellectual and divisive and thus should likely not have a place here- so I will rename it.



Truth Warrior said:
Maybe it's only because some of us don't buy into their lame and pathetic bullshit. ;)
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Could you clarify what you mean here?
 
Bryan said:
Could you clarify what you mean here?
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A clarification: How many Christian Conservative Republicans voted for McCain and NOT for Ron? The Republicans tend to view us as ANARCHISTS, since Ron and we want much LESS government, NOT more.<IMHO> ;)

Thanks! :)
 
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The new title does not really fit the OP very well.

I would suggest "What causes conflict between Christian Conservative Republicans and Libertarians"
 
TonySutton said:
The new title does not really fit the OP very well.

I would suggest "What causes conflict between Christian Conservative Republicans and Libertarians"
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Well, that title implies that all of us here are Libertarians, and that is not the case.
 
I will go ahead and address the question in the new title.

The biggest issue I have found is the gay marraige and abortion should be illegal (even though I am saying I want smaller government) argument. It causes the biggest issue with me and some Christian conservatives.

I am personally 100% against abortion, and I am not homosexual, lol...so....

I just don't see why the law should have anything to do with morals. Since when is the government an authority in this area (morals)?
 
asimplegirl said:
I will go ahead and address the question in the new title.

The biggest issue I have found is the gay marraige and abortion should be illegal (even though I am saying I want smaller government) argument. It causes the biggest issue with me and some Christian conservatives.

I am personally 100% against abortion, and I am not homosexual, lol...so....

I just don't see why the law should have anything to do with morals. Since when is the government an authority in this area (morals)?
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Isn't the government allowing gay marriage and allowing abortions also making the government an authority on morals? It simply makes the government an authority on morals in a different direction.

Personally, if you want to help Ron Paul you should try to be nice to Christians not treat them like idiots. Isn't Ron Paul himself a Christian?
 
Well there are Christians and then there are "Christians" ( so called ). Many more of the latter than the former. :(

"By their fruits, ye shall know them."​
 
asimplegirl said:
I just don't see why the law should have anything to do with morals. Since when is the government an authority in this area (morals)?
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Actually, Abortion is not a morals issue. Its a murder issue, which is unethical as well as being against both of the founding documents of this country: The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. An embryonic human is still a member of the genus Homo and species Sapiens Sapiens and therefore granted The Right to Life which is entirely pre-political. An entirely different kettle of fish than morals, technically.

The State should not be involved in the issue of Marriage at all. Its a religious issue and therefore violates the Separation of Church and State. There are churches that will perform Gay Marriages and therefore its a non-issue when you get right down to it. The involvement of the State is what has caused this problem.
 
I think you have the title wrong. Most of the christians, or the few that have stayed, are constantly insulted by libertairians. Most of us that are religious don't agree with each other on doctrine or interpretation, but we don't insult each other. I and many other's have said all along that for this movement to work, we need to apeal to all types of people including christian but it hasn't worked out & most of the religious people have gone. I've learned a lot here & will continue to support Paul, but I won't support the war on religion or work with with anyone with that atitude.
 
worl said:
Most of us that are religious don't agree with each other on doctrine or interpretation, but we don't insult each other.
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I beg to differ. I've been on this website a relatively short time and its been repeatedly inferred by certain members who claim to be Christian that I am an Atheist. I've asked them, repeatedly, not to do so as I'm a Deist and NOT an Atheist. There has also been ill treatment of other non-Christians by these same people who use left-handed attacks as a way of preventing outright ad hominems. Its not nice when you're told you're a corrupt and immoral because you don't accept the Divinity of Yeshua bin Yosef.
 
worl said:
I think you have the title wrong. Most of the christians, or the few that have stayed, are constantly insulted by libertairians. Most of us that are religious don't agree with each other on doctrine or interpretation, but we don't insult each other. I and many other's have said all along that for this movement to work, we need to apeal to all types of people including christian but it hasn't worked out & most of the religious people have gone. I've learned a lot here & will continue to support Paul, but I won't support the war on religion or work with with anyone with that atitude.
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Do you see and acknowledge ANY conflicts or make ANY distinctions between those who are Christians and those who are "Christians" ( in name only )?

Most of the criticisms have been aimed at that latter group.<IMHO> [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Libertarian From Nazareth?[/FONT]





"By their fruits, ye shall know them"​
 
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Truth Warrior said:
Do you see and acknowledge ANY conflicts or make ANY distinctions between those who are Christians and those who are "Christians" ( in name only )?

Most of the criticisms have been aimed at that latter group.<IMHO>




"By their fruits, ye shall know them"​
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I think everyone here knows that a lot of people claim to be christian & may not be. To be elected to office here, you first join a church. As for those that don't believe exactly as I do, I will respect their belief & not insult them. As for the latter group, I voted for bush, I believed in the war on drugs, I watched fox news. I was one of the people I now oppose. I first read Ron Paul's writing but if I had came here first, I would have rejected it all.
 
worl said:
I think everyone here knows that a lot of people claim to be christian & may not be. To be elected to office here, you first join a church. As for those that don't believe exactly as I do, I will respect their belief & not insult them. As for the latter group, I voted for bush, I believed in the war on drugs, I watched fox news. I was one of the people I now oppose. I first read Ron Paul's writing but if I had came here first, I would have rejected it all.
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I'll take that answer to my question as a "Yes". :)

Thanks!

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' but not do what I command?" -- Jesus ( Luke 6:46 )
 
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Brooklyn Red Leg said:
I beg to differ. I've been on this website a relatively short time and its been repeatedly inferred by certain members who claim to be Christian that I am an Atheist. I've asked them, repeatedly, not to do so as I'm a Deist and NOT an Atheist. There has also been ill treatment of other non-Christians by these same people who use left-handed attacks as a way of preventing outright ad hominems. Its not nice when you're told you're a corrupt and immoral because you don't accept the Divinity of Yeshua bin Yosef.
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It's not up to me or anyone else to judge you or insult you because of your belief or non belief & I don't hate people. I do take offense when someone says there is no GOD as if they knew it to be fact. It may be their belief, but that does't make it true. We all should have a common goal that Ron Paul started & if we discuss our religious or non-religious belief, we should not be insulting each other to the point of making people leave.
 
worl said:
It's not up to me or anyone else to judge you or insult you because of your belief or non belief & I don't hate people. I do take offense when someone says there is no GOD as if they knew it to be fact. It may be their belief, but that does't make it true. We all should have a common goal that Ron Paul started & if we discuss our religious or non-religious belief, we should not be insulting each other to the point of making people leave.
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If I may ask, what do you think of J.S. Mill's critique of religion in his book "On Liberty"? :confused: (This is a text that can be discussed civilly, IMHO)
 
If abortion is murder then shouldn't you put the women who get abortions on death row or at least give them a lifetime sentence?
 
AutoDas said:
If abortion is murder then shouldn't you put the women who get abortions on death row or at least give them a lifetime sentence?
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Every sperm is sacred, death to any man who jerks off.
 
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