jrkotrla
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Wineman77: I hope that thing was a friggin joke....
Freedom 4 All: even though BeFranklin is on my "ignore" list [[because I have not seen him post a SINGLE comment about ANY subject in which he did not attempt to turn the discussion towards anti-gay something-or-other]] , I still listen to Sandman and Theocrat and they have very good points on many issues. While I don't agree with them on certain things, they have brought up a lot of valid points that I had not previously considered and I appreciate their input. They are nothing like the WBC.
There is a huge difference though between even BeFranklin and the Phelps clan. BeFranklin has bought into, whole heartedly from the many posts of his I did read, the notion that homosexuality is a conscious and willfull choice of those who are discpicable enough to have sexual relations with their own gender for the sole purpose of pissing off BeFranklin's god. The Phelps clan is just being annoying in the hopes that someone hits them or violates their rights so they can sue for money.
Look at what they do, if they were truly interested in saving souls for Christ, they would witness in a manner that attracted members of the "damned" to their holy, healthy lifestyle. instead, the only new members they get are those who are born to their incestuous and abusive clan.
Mark the change from the "God of Wrath" to the "God of Love" over the last few centuries. Is this because God has changed? no. It is only because the catholic church, no longer in control of life from cradle to grave, has lost the power of fear over the population and they now realize they must show people why they must willingly follow GOD instead of scaring them into submission.
The church , from the beginning of time (which is NOT ~6,000 years ago), to the Pharisees of Israel, to the Early Church in Rome, to the Dark Ages (why do we call them that again?) to the Inquisition, to the "salvation" of the Aztecs and Mayans, to the modern day Fred Phelps, has sought, not to lead people to God, but to control the population through fear and intimidation.
I'll leave you the opportunity to google Fred Phelps and learn of the abuse he inflicts upon his family/congregation. Keep in mind, that even those who accept that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true ( I am one of those ), I must acknowledge that the testaments included in the Holy Bible, including those later letters of Paul, were not written by God, but were selected from MANY by a politically inclined council of early church leaders hundreds of years AFTER the death and resurection of the Christ.
The Orthodox Church (more common today in Russia and Eastern Europe) split from the Catholic after the second Ecumenical Council due to, really, nitpicking. Read the history, it is full of people killing each other over the sequece of words in a particular phrase.
However, if anyone of this forum seeks to say that their religion is the "true" religion of God based on the Holy Bible, ask them why we celebrate the birth of the Christ on December 25th (winter solstice, the celebration of the death and rebirth of the sun-god for millenia before Christianity) instead of in early autumn which is the time that historical records point to? Ask them for the origin of Mary Worship, the Saints, Easter, All Hallow's Eve, and the selection of most of the canon. Ask them why King James (of the KJV mis-interpretation) had the Bible written in poetry form.
I believe in the Brethren motto (think back to 13th century Czechoslovakia),. In Essential Unity, in non-essential Liberty, in all things love.
The Essentials are three-fold:
As a Christian, I would encourage you to read the word of God. If I can help you to understand something about God better, I will certainly try to assist you. If I don't know the answer, perhaps we can discover it together, or we will find someone who can show is why "such and such" is true.
God gave us a rational mind. If we don't use it, we are insulting his gift.
Freedom 4 All: even though BeFranklin is on my "ignore" list [[because I have not seen him post a SINGLE comment about ANY subject in which he did not attempt to turn the discussion towards anti-gay something-or-other]] , I still listen to Sandman and Theocrat and they have very good points on many issues. While I don't agree with them on certain things, they have brought up a lot of valid points that I had not previously considered and I appreciate their input. They are nothing like the WBC.
There is a huge difference though between even BeFranklin and the Phelps clan. BeFranklin has bought into, whole heartedly from the many posts of his I did read, the notion that homosexuality is a conscious and willfull choice of those who are discpicable enough to have sexual relations with their own gender for the sole purpose of pissing off BeFranklin's god. The Phelps clan is just being annoying in the hopes that someone hits them or violates their rights so they can sue for money.
Look at what they do, if they were truly interested in saving souls for Christ, they would witness in a manner that attracted members of the "damned" to their holy, healthy lifestyle. instead, the only new members they get are those who are born to their incestuous and abusive clan.
Mark the change from the "God of Wrath" to the "God of Love" over the last few centuries. Is this because God has changed? no. It is only because the catholic church, no longer in control of life from cradle to grave, has lost the power of fear over the population and they now realize they must show people why they must willingly follow GOD instead of scaring them into submission.
The church , from the beginning of time (which is NOT ~6,000 years ago), to the Pharisees of Israel, to the Early Church in Rome, to the Dark Ages (why do we call them that again?) to the Inquisition, to the "salvation" of the Aztecs and Mayans, to the modern day Fred Phelps, has sought, not to lead people to God, but to control the population through fear and intimidation.
I'll leave you the opportunity to google Fred Phelps and learn of the abuse he inflicts upon his family/congregation. Keep in mind, that even those who accept that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true ( I am one of those ), I must acknowledge that the testaments included in the Holy Bible, including those later letters of Paul, were not written by God, but were selected from MANY by a politically inclined council of early church leaders hundreds of years AFTER the death and resurection of the Christ.
The Orthodox Church (more common today in Russia and Eastern Europe) split from the Catholic after the second Ecumenical Council due to, really, nitpicking. Read the history, it is full of people killing each other over the sequece of words in a particular phrase.
However, if anyone of this forum seeks to say that their religion is the "true" religion of God based on the Holy Bible, ask them why we celebrate the birth of the Christ on December 25th (winter solstice, the celebration of the death and rebirth of the sun-god for millenia before Christianity) instead of in early autumn which is the time that historical records point to? Ask them for the origin of Mary Worship, the Saints, Easter, All Hallow's Eve, and the selection of most of the canon. Ask them why King James (of the KJV mis-interpretation) had the Bible written in poetry form.
I believe in the Brethren motto (think back to 13th century Czechoslovakia),. In Essential Unity, in non-essential Liberty, in all things love.
The Essentials are three-fold:
- God is God, creator and ultimate master of the Universe
- Jesus is the Son of God, who died for our sins and rose again, representing out everlasting life with God [see 1]
- The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God. Unfortunately, God's penmanship was worse even than mine and we must rely on an interpreter who is human and therefore fallible
As a Christian, I would encourage you to read the word of God. If I can help you to understand something about God better, I will certainly try to assist you. If I don't know the answer, perhaps we can discover it together, or we will find someone who can show is why "such and such" is true.
God gave us a rational mind. If we don't use it, we are insulting his gift.
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