We're All Ready Fascist.

Are you dense? He was satirizing Marxism.

exactly, only capitalists would make fun of communism. what's your point???

Where should I go that is not similarly falling to tyranny? No free country exists in the world anymore. I stay here because this is my HOME, this is where my loved ones live, and this is the only country in the world that was EVER built on the ideal of freedom. I will not flee like some coward, but nor will I foolishly lash out like some brainless idiot. As I mentioned in my last post, once I edited it to elaborate, lashing out only makes a moral point. It changes nothing...my aim is, together with other like-minded people, to affect real change. The only way to succeed is with a sound strategy based on logic, rather than by throwing an emotional temper tantrum like you suggest.

we don't need to flee. we need to stand up to fix this world and create a one world without borders and countries and governments that actually hate people, and a world in which money has no power over people and is not idolized like God. people must unite in one world to eliminate all wars and need for weapons of mass destruction.

...you're making no sense. The whole point of this revolution is to show people that they do not NEED to fear terrorists if our country merely treats the rest of the world with respect. The whole point is to change the hearts and minds of people so that they will no longer tolerate a leviathan government that finds excuses to tax and spend and subjugate the people.

our country has risen above all countries in the world because it is the most rich country in the world. when rich become paranoid, they start to think of ways how they can protect themselves from the poor (third world countries). "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism'. I'm afraid, based on my own long experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security." - Sen. Huey Long

You must understand that USA can not afford to be a FREE country anymore. USA must become a Fascist nation to prevent being conquered by purchase after the collapse of our economy!
If USA will stay free, it will be exploited by foreign capitalists and American people will never have a future, because all businesses will be benefiting foreign nations with monthly residual fortunes.
 
and how did we get those riches?

wait, i know how you will answer, because to you riches are not important.

You must understand that USA can not afford to be a FREE country anymore. USA must become a Fascist nation to prevent being conquered by purchase after the collapse of our economy!
If USA will stay free, it will be exploited by foreign capitalists and American people will never have a future, because all businesses will be benefiting foreign nations with monthly residual fortunes.
 
On the contrary, we must reestablish our freedom if we are to avoid this.

yeah, and we now have 2 freaking major problems - we want freedom but can't afford to be free, do you get it???

warren buffett explained that countries can be conquered by conquest and purchase.
 
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if all the kings banded together to rule as governors...whose authority is derived from the power of the currency they control... no one could stop them.
 
On that same site he calls the federal reserve a private corporation. that is not correct. the federal reserve is a banking cartel made up of top banking institutes divided by regions.

and what is that? a church organization? it is a corporation that's owned by men. all american banks are members of Federal Reserve System. It is not just few banks that are part of the cartel.
 
well, he said it wasn't a private organization - it is a cartel.

a cartel is made of private organizations which are made of individuals for those who can't think abstractly. its used as an anti-competition model and achieves the same affect as a monopoly if all the major players are in the cartel.
 
exactly, only capitalists would make fun of communism. what's your point???

...yes, and only non-men are not men. What's your point? Rather than using logic and reason to debate whether or not his satirical picture of Communism was accurate, you merely lashed out with an ad hominem attack by calling him a "capitalist" - as if that somehow negates his logic without having to give a counterargument.

we don't need to flee. we need to stand up to fix this world and create a one world without borders and countries and governments that actually hate people, and a world in which money has no power over people and is not idolized like God. people must unite in one world to eliminate all wars and need for weapons of mass destruction.

People do not worship money. Immoral (or rather, shallow) people worship material wealth, but this is present in all societies, with or without money. Money is merely a symbol of exchange for wealth and production. It is just a convenient way for people to voluntarily trade goods with each other. It's merely a mutually agreed medium of exchange for all goods. Let's say you catch fish, Jimmy mines salt, and Freddy makes clothes. You want some salt for your fish, but Jimmy has plenty of fish. What he really needs is some underwear, because he crapped his pants when he read your ridiculous posts. Since you're bartering directly, you guys have to wait for Freddy to come around. He needs some fish to eat, but he has more pairs of underwear than the underpants gnomes from South Park. Once he comes around, he can trade some underwear for some of your fish, and only then can you trade some underwear for Jimmy's salt. In other words, the direct bartering system is completely moral, but it's a bit of a mess. Money fixes that, because when everyone mutually agrees on a common medium of exchange, you and Jimmy don't have to wait for Freddy to come around. You can give Jimmy a dollar, and he'll give you a sack of salt, and then he can give Freddy a dollar for a pair of clean underwear, and then Freddy can come by your place when he gets hungry to buy some fish for a buck. This is not "worship of money" - when money is honest, it's merely a tool to help facilitate the fair and voluntary exchange of goods and services.

People do not worship money, but immoral people DO worship wealth, and this occurs regardless of the existence of money. Under a Communist system, most people are tricked into worshipping the state above all else, but the rulers still worship wealth (and power), because power corrupts. They become quite comfortable being the first in line for all goods and services, and when those run out due to their piss-poor centralized planning, they don't pay the price - it's only the unlucky quarter of the population that dies of starvation. Who cares about those people though, right? After all, the rulers just LOVE the people...and after all, some people are just naturally gifted with the right and God-given moral authority to rule over everyone else and make their decisions for them. :rolleyes:

our country has risen above all countries in the world because it is the most rich country in the world. when rich become paranoid, they start to think of ways how they can protect themselves from the poor (third world countries). "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism'. I'm afraid, based on my own long experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security." - Sen. Huey Long

You must understand that USA can not afford to be a FREE country anymore. USA must become a Fascist nation to prevent being conquered by purchase after the collapse of our economy!
If USA will stay free, it will be exploited by foreign capitalists and American people will never have a future, because all businesses will be benefiting foreign nations with monthly residual fortunes.

I must understand? Free "anymore?" We're not free now, and that's the whole point! The decline of freedom is exactly what has led America to this state. Those in power will try more and more overt fascism to retain their power, of this you are correct, but if we regained our freedom instead, we would also regain our wealth. You say we cannot afford to be free anymore, but on the contrary, we can no longer afford to continue losing our freedom. I painstakingly explained in great detail, in a 3000+ word post, exactly what has been destroying our country. You ignored that post, presumably because cold logic is toxic to your way of thinking. When I explained in great detail on page 2 why Communism is doomed to fail, you responded with a one-line platitude with no substantive basis. Why must I "understand" any of your emotional ravings? You always seem to start from solid ground, but then you totally jump to the wrong conclusion with no evidence whatsoever, at which point your argument performs a metaphorical face-first dive from the top of a cliff. That's not exactly indicative of a sound worldview.
 
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God, this isn't even a debate

I know...it's impossible to engage in a debate with someone who blatantly represses rational thought. The only thing you can do is try to educate them and "crack the code" of their programming to make the light come back on. The guy frustrates me, but I really do pity him.
 
I must understand? Free "anymore?" We're not free now, and that's the whole point! The decline of freedom is exactly what has led America to this state. Those in power will try more and more overt fascism to retain their power, of this you are correct, but if we regained our freedom instead, we would also regain our wealth. You say we cannot afford to be free anymore, but on the contrary, we can no longer afford to continue losing our freedom.

no, what i said was that after this coming economic collapse we are going to have to make a decision:

1. stay free, but let foreigners conquer our country by purchasing every single dollar-dependent market for pennies and basically taking our future away from us, and then possibly directing our future for us.

2. we can chose to let the rich rule the country like they do now, but it will become a fascist state in full swing just like in germany.

3. we can chose communism to prevent conquering of USA and to prevent Fascists fucking up our future. This is exactly what Russia did in their revolution after they saw how Alaska was sold, and how the country was being taken away piece by piece by foreigners.

Germans chose Fascism after their economic meltdown. What will USA chose?
 
no, what i said was that after this coming economic collapse we are going to have to make a decision:

1. stay free, but let foreigners conquer our country by purchasing every single dollar-dependent market for pennies and basically taking our future away from us, and then possibly directing our future for us.

2. we can chose to let the rich rule the country like they do now, but it will become a fascist state in full swing just like in germany.

3. we can chose communism to prevent conquering of USA and to prevent Fascists fucking up our future. This is exactly what Russia did in their revolution after they saw how Alaska was sold, and how the country was being taken away piece by piece by foreigners.

Germans chose Fascism after their economic meltdown. What will USA chose?

You're once again posing a false dilemma. You say "stay free," but we're not free right now. Our fall into fascism is exactly what has given us this debt and caused the coming economic collapse. This is the fault of government...had society been vigilant and kept government tied down by the chains of the Constitution, this never would have happened. Unfortunately, people are lazy, and most want to be ruled and told what to do. History repeats itself, and freedom turned into tyranny, destroying the free market we once had, the wealth we once had, and the liberties we once had. Restoring freedom in our country is the only solution - it will not be easy, and we will still have to "pay the piper" - but it's far better than the alternative, which is life under a one-world fascist or Communist government.

Communism is the same exact thing as fascism, except with more feel-good rhetoric. Communists are merely better at brainwashing people with propaganda. If our rulers do not want Communism (which I assure you they ultimately do, except with cosmetic differences), then "choosing Communism" would be just as difficult as choosing our movement of restoring freedom anyway. We'd still have to overthrow the same system. Of course, the difference between freedom and Communism is that the end result of Communism is almost the exact same as that of fascism. The differences between the two are merely semantic. Obviously you disagree here, but that's because you have a sickeningly naive and distorted fairy-tale view of statist Communism. Your trust in a state with absolute power is tragically misplaced. The only kind of Communism that does not lead to totalitarian tyranny is voluntary Communism, where people freely choose to associate and form such a society by pooling together all of their wealth and talents - without forcing everyone else to do the same through an overpowering coercive government. That is only possible under a society where freedom is legalized and the government's role is minimal.
 
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The only kind of Communism that does not lead to totalitarian tyranny is voluntary Communism, where people freely choose to associate and form such a society by pooling together all of their wealth and talents - without forcing everyone else to do the same through an overpowering coercive government. That is only possible under a society where freedom is legalized and the government's role is minimal.

that's what i am talking about if people all over the world would unite and understand the beauty. but, for that to happen there will have to be a WWIII and billions will have to die. After that, people will finally evolve.

This is inevitable though. The Russian oligarchs have been working hard to bring down our economy. The collapse is coming. We got Russia into Afghanistan and Chechnya wars - they got us into Afghanistan and Iraq wars. They have collapsed economically after Afghanistan - we will collapse economically too soon. American people will have to make a choice. The choice they will make will be Fascism. There will be a war. Then people will unite under one world government in true communism where money is not God and will have peace for 1000 years.
 
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