We're All Ready Fascist.

USSR was not a fascist state. You are poorly educated.

USSR was the biggest peace advocate and US kept waging wars from another side of the world just like we do right now.

And don't forget that it is Russia that saved the world from Hitler who was supported by USA and UK.

So Stalin was better than hitler? USSR's version of collectivism was better than hitler's version of collectivism.
funny how both forms of collectivism was the cause of millions of innocent people slaughters... add in Pol Pot to that mix too and you have a super-sized butcher's paradise of the good ol' collectivist communism/socialism/facism. It sickens me to see people cheer on their own demise...
 
So Stalin was better than hitler? USSR's version of collectivism was better than hitler's version of collectivism.
funny how both forms of collectivism was the cause of millions of innocent people slaughters... add in Pol Pot to that mix too and you have a super-sized butcher's paradise of the good ol' collectivist communism/socialism/facism. It sickens me to see people cheer on their own demise...

you still did not address whether or not it was ethical or moral or noble for USA to destroy Afghanistan for having a 60 year old relation with USSR and dragging Russians into a very costly war in Afghanistan.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
 
China's poor life is because they refuse to be immoral and fall for lies of capitalists.

so... before the capitalist were even around... back in dynasty china... the impoverished condititions was because of the capitalist and not the totalitarian family rule of oppression over people?
 
And if I choose to be moral instead of immoral? morality is rational. When you reject morality you accept murder, you accept that man is merely animal and has no choice to his own destiny. You ssurrender society to an unthinking monster that would kill, steal, and destroy in the name of the common good.
 
you still did not address whether or not it was ethical or moral or noble for USA to destroy Afghanistan for having a 60 year old relation with USSR and dragging Russians into a very costly war in Afghanistan.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

The man you are quoting has more in common with you than with our beliefs. I do not see how you think this condemns capitalism or glorifies the ussr.
 
And if I choose to be moral instead of immoral? morality is rational. When you reject morality you accept murder, you accept that man is merely animal and has no choice to his own destiny. You ssurrender society to an unthinking monster that would kill, steal, and destroy in the name of the common good.

and when you pay your taxes - you state that it is ok to spread democracy so that we can exploit cheap nations, it is OK to ruin other nations with covert operations that destroy nations, it is ok to bomb innocent civilians, etc, etc.

don't start proving your morality to me.
 
so... before the capitalist were even around... back in dynasty china... the impoverished condititions was because of the capitalist and not the totalitarian family rule of oppression over people?

chinese actually love their people. they changed from despotism to communism.

if a country changes from despotism to capitalism with democracy, then it will eventually transform into fascism. Fascism is really a despotism. In Fascism, a goup of individuals (corporations) become despots and dictate lives of the people future.

so, the chinese actually did a noble thing by giving the wealth to the country and the people instead of creating another capitalist regime that's set to become a fascist state.
 
well, i recently had an enlightenment. i now believe in a one world government, but not under a despot or a puppet of despot, but in communism where everything belongs to the people.

Your choice, but I think you need to educate yourself a bit more on Communism and its implementation. Communism does not result in the people owning everything. It is total government control. Don't be fooled.

May I ask you why you are in Ron Paul Forums, if you advocate Communism? Because you are advocating something that is totally opposite of individual liberty.
 
chinese actually love their people. they changed from despotism to communism.

if a country changes from despotism to capitalism with democracy, then it will eventually transform into fascism. Fascism is really a despotism. In Fascism, a goup of individuals (corporations) become despots and dictate lives of the people future.

so, the chinese actually did a noble thing by giving the wealth to the country and the people instead of creating another capitalist regime that's set to become a fascist state.

the people were still impoverished. china still has peasants.. millions of them. there was no division of wealth equally to the people.
the nobles, stayed noble... only now elected nobility with a welfare system that passes for charity.
But what you don't understand... charity is not taking from one person to give to another... charity is the giving of your own money/value to someone else by choice.
Your system requires people participate by force.. because anyone who refuses to obey.. they get gunned down.
Tiananmen Square style... they LOVE their people.. let me tell you.
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you still did not address whether or not it was ethical or moral or noble for USA to destroy Afghanistan for having a 60 year old relation with USSR and dragging Russians into a very costly war in Afghanistan.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

NO, it was not ethical or moral. Brzezinski is one of the most evil men on the face of the earth! Do you seriously think any of us here are cheerleaders of US warfare? It was atrocious, JUST like it was atrocious for the Soviets to enslave all of their people and kill millions, and BOTH types of GOVERNMENT ABUSE are what we are fighting. You're viewing the world through the rose-tinted glasses of an "us vs. them" false dilemma between the US and the USSR, and because the US did evil things as well, you're falling to the side of "them" by default.

The problem is government.
 
NO, it was not ethical or moral. Brzezinski is one of the most evil men on the face of the earth! Do you seriously think any of us here are cheerleaders of US warfare? It was atrocious, JUST like it was atrocious for the Soviets to enslave all of their people and kill millions, and BOTH types of GOVERNMENT ABUSE are what we are fighting. You're viewing the world through the rose-tinted glasses of an "us vs. them" false dilemma between the US and the USSR, and because the US did evil things as well, you're falling to the side of "them" by default.

The problem is government.

You're lumping people in with government.

by paying your taxes, you support the government in whatever it does.
 
One of the main problem's I have found is people's desire to equate society with government. This is how they justify high taxes, i believe.
 
by paying your taxes, you support the government in whatever it does.

if taxes were voluntary, you'd have a really good point, but guess what... you don't pay your taxes.. they will storm your bunkered house to drag your ass to prison. so, your point is moot.
 
by paying your taxes, you support the government in whatever it does.

If I paid someone to guard my house, but instead they attacked the neighbouring house, would I be supporting that action?

edit: also good point, torchbearer
 
if taxes were voluntary, you'd have a really good point, but guess what... you don't pay your taxes.. they will storm your bunkered house to drag your ass to prison. so, your point is moot.

that just proves that you are not free - you are a slave of the big brother - you do whatever he wants you to do - he does whatever he wants to do.
 
You proved that our government is too big and has too much control. You failed to mention how complete control and a complete tax would be a better option.
 
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