We need to GET BEHIND TREVOR & NOVEMBER 30th - RudysReadingList.com

It seems like theme has already been decided. Just look at the name of the website. I don't like the theme of this money bomb. It seems to have negative energy. I don't know about this one. I will think about it though.

I think it's really a valuable idea, as a second look for many Republicans who may have written Paul off after Rudy slammed him at the debates. Paul was RIGHT, but Rudy had the sound bite that many people may have paid more attention to, and said "Yeah the war is right."

Well... presenting a reading list to Rudy, with enough publicity to get it majorly covered--that would at least give people the chance to open their minds and take a second look.
 
Yeah, I'm not 100% behind anything, usually, and I also supported waiting until the 16th...

But I also realize that we are somewhat factionalized by all this, and we're in desperate need of a rallying point after the email from HQ. This idea of Trevor's seemed to fit the bill, so I jumped on the idea.

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They spent 3.1 million in September. that leaves them close to $11 million. If they double that rate for the next month, then they will still have $4.8 million to get from the 1st of December to the 16th.

If anybody can get a direct quote from the campaign that there is a real chance that they will get anywhere near running out of money by the 16th, I will withdraw my objections and max out for me and my wife on the 30th.
 
giving it a go is when you are doing something that doesnt really matter. Screwing up this drive that has been worked on for weeks, well, that just pisses off the people who have been talking to everyone and promising how huge the event will be. Do you know how hard it is to convert people when all they see from the campaign is disorganization, chicken little reactions and an overall plan that makes less sense. We billed this thing as the mother of all events and now after alot of people have spent time promoting it, we change the forecast of success. Its almost as bad as when we chipped in for an add and then the whole damn thing was changed and most of the people who paid were pissed. This sucks, we should have put it to a vote and let it be debated but no, a few people unitlaterally are going to undermine the event that would have had the media talking and building anticipation for the three weeks before the primaries.

The whole point was to get the media to be asking the question "What will Ron Paul do next"

the answer, "who cares...all he did was repeat twice the same performance."

two five million money bombs does not equal 1 ten million bomb
I can see this going nowhere. I'm going to go grab a six-pack and hopefully everyone will settle down and realize we're on the same team.
 
I can see this going nowhere. I'm going to go grab a six-pack and hopefully everyone will settle down and realize we're on the same team.

Agreed, we would be on the same team.........If we had one direction. :(
 
First, Trevor is looking for ideas on how to improve the web site at www.RudysReadingList.com. He's got a temporary site up now, and is looking for our recommendations for a more permanent site.

Second, he needs our help spreading the word.

Third, he needs us to pledge that we will give $100 on Nov 30th (in addition to giving $100 or more on Dec. 16th).


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I disagree with your third point. He is saying that if we can only give on the 30th or the 16th he releases us from our pledge for the 16th and wants us to give all we can on the 30th.

I hate to do it and I havent really decided yet, but I am leaning toward giving on the 30th.
 
If anybody can get a direct quote from the campaign that there is a real chance that they will get anywhere near running out of money by the 16th, I will withdraw my objections and max out for me and my wife on the 30th.

Your request is granted; direct from my email inbox.... from HQ:

November 20, 2007


During the first few days of October, we announced our fundraising goal for the fourth quarter: $12 million raised by December 31.

But there's more: we need to have spent it by then, too.

If we were to raise the entire $12 million in the last week of December, we would meet our fundraising goal for the quarter. But Ron Paul would stand little chance of winning the Republican nomination, because that money would have come in too late.

Time is of the essence. You see, we need to raise money well before we plan to spend it. That's because most of the expenditures that we make need to be paid for weeks in advance. For example, we need to buy crucial airtime for the end of December right now.

The sooner we raise this money, the sooner that we can spread Dr. Paul's message - our message - in the early primary states. Time truly is money.

Fact is, we only have about two weeks to raise money for the early primaries.

If you wait a month from now to donate, your money will only be spent after Iowa caucus-goers and New Hampshire primary voters have made up their minds.

We are rapidly running out of time. The Iowa caucus is just 44 days away. New Hampshire is in 49 days. With so much ground to make up, we can't afford to waste a single day.

As a result, we are spending faster than the rate at which we are raising money. In October alone, we raised $2.8 million, but our campaign spent over $3.1 million.

We cannot afford to wait for bursts of press activity. What we need is sustained attention in the news. What better way to do this than by continuing to raise money at a rapid pace now? We need to keep our momentum going.

Help us win in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina, and Nevada.

Make your most generous contribution as soon as you can: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate.

Jonathan Bydlak
Fundraising Director
Ron Paul 2008

I'ts really not about "running out of money" - it's about maximizing the advertising efforts in December, prior to the early primaries.

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I disagree with your third point. He is saying that if we can only give on the 30th or the 16th he releases us from our pledge for the 16th and wants us to give all we can on the 30th.

I hate to do it and I havent really decided yet, but I am leaning toward giving on the 30th.

You're right. He did say that. My mistake. :o

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too many moneybombs dilutes the media effect...

better to just give as much as you can in next 3 weeks and unload on 12/16...

id rather have the psycological impact of 10 million on 12-16 as opposed to 9.5...

If you can afford to give twice, please do it.

If not, I would concentrate everything you have on the 16th. We must beat Hillary's total at all costs, and I really would like to see us at $10 Million for that day.
 
Ok - I made the pledge. I'll give exactly $100 on the 30th and then something on the order of $200 or so on the 16th. :)
 
[size=+3]DONE![/size]

On November 30, 2007 I will donate as much as I was going to on December 16, 2007. And I am going to donate even more on December 16, 2007.

NOW IS THE TIME!

[size=+1]YOUR LIVES! YOUR FORTUNE! YOUR SACRED HONOR![/size]

YOUR CHRISTMAS GIFTS!
 
Your request is granted; direct from my email inbox.... from HQ:



I'ts really not about "running out of money" - it's about maximizing the advertising efforts in December, prior to the early primaries.

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No where does it say they are running out. Your next argument will be that I dont know better then the candidates campaign. My question to you is "Since when has the campaign ever done better then the grassroots"

Their whole premise was to raise $12 million in the quarter, its a done deal. We arent going to raise $12 million in the last week. we have already given them $9 million of it and are ahead of their request by a million. We were only to have given $8 mill by this point. So as I said (and please dont repsond with the same crap that I have in my mailbox) find me anybody at the campaign that says there running out or even low.
 
No where does it say they are running out. Your next argument will be that I dont know better then the candidates campaign. My question to you is "Since when has the campaign ever done better then the grassroots"

Their whole premise was to raise $12 million in the quarter, its a done deal. We arent going to raise $12 million in the last week. we have already given them $9 million of it and are ahead of their request by a million. We were only to have given $8 mill by this point. So as I said (and please dont repsond with the same crap that I have in my mailbox) find me anybody at the campaign that says there running out or even low.

I don't see any reason for arguments on this. Donate to either/or or both if you want/can
Nobody is, or should be, forcing people to behave in a specific way. If the campaigns idea is that they need to expand their advertising faster than they expected because we are GROWING faster than they expected, then I will respect that - all in man. I don't trust the campaign implicitly but I do trust them to use our money wisely and hopefully not to frugally (my biggest concern). If they want to spend faster, I am behind that and will do what I can to help but I'm still going to do everything I can to make December 16 a show topper! :)
 
Well; I have been holding off posting about this for a few days; as I needed time to chill out about the email. I didn't visit the forums, or dailypaul.com...anything...just myself and some beers...

You know what; the campaign wouldn't be asking for it if they didn't need it. They know that we just gave everything we could just over two weeks ago. That means they need it; to win New Hampshire; and possibly Iowa. I have 3 paychecks between now and the 16th. I will contribute on both days; because honestly; I don't see another chance like this for another decade at least.

For Freedom; for Liberty. I certainly can't take it to the grave.
 
No where does it say they are running out.

I never said HQ was "running out of money" and the email did not claim that they are "running out of money"... that was your insertion.

As I said before, things have now changed, HQ has more money in the bank now - and as a result, they have new options and new plans and a greater vision, due to our previous money-bomb efforts.

The point was that it is about maximizing the advertising efforts in December, prior to the early primaries.

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Hmmm ... in some ways I find this entire discussion bizarre.

Why is anyone talking about how much is "enough" money? That's not even the right question. We need to get as many supporters as possible to give as much money as they are able to. The more money they get, the better for the campaign.

Rudy ended Q3 with over $16 million in the bank. Romney has basically however much money he wants to loan his campaign. Huckabee seems to have the backing of at least some of the MSM. The only way Ron Paul can counter that is by advertising as much as he can, getting his name out so that his name recognition improves.

I would expect the campaign would spend as much as possible on advertising. There's no such thing as "extra money" for the campaign. Anything they get I have to assume they will spend it. The goal of $12 million for the quarter is not really accurate. The real goal is as much damn money as they can get. They need to get his name out over, and over, and over again so that he "appears to people" to be a top-tier candidate (I know he is, but if people don't see it that way it doesn't matter). The more folks see him on TV, or hear him on the radio, the more it will be cemented in people's minds that his campaign is for real, he is serious, and he can win.

I am going to donate on the 30th, and on the 16th, and if I can afford it one other time as well. I hope yall do the same. If you can't, then that's ok too - I hope you give what you are able to, whenever you are able.

And I really don't think the idea of another money bomb on the 30th takes away anything from the December 16th thing. If he continues to gain support, then any donations "lost" for the 16th by people who donated earlier will be made up by newcomers. And that HAS TO HAPPEN. And I think it will happen.

- Chip
 
I have 3 paychecks between now and the 16th. I will contribute on both days; because honestly; I don't see another chance like this for another decade at least.

For Freedom; for Liberty. I certainly can't take it to the grave.

There you go, folks. Good post. That's the bottom line. We need to pull out all the stops on the 30th and the 16th.

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Hmmm ... in some ways I find this entire discussion bizarre.

Why is anyone talking about how much is "enough" money? That's not even the right question. We need to get as many supporters as possible to give as much money as they are able to. The more money they get, the better for the campaign.

Rudy ended Q3 with over $16 million in the bank. Romney has basically however much money he wants to loan his campaign. Huckabee seems to have the backing of at least some of the MSM. The only way Ron Paul can counter that is by advertising as much as he can, getting his name out so that his name recognition improves.

I would expect the campaign would spend as much as possible on advertising. There's no such thing as "extra money" for the campaign. Anything they get I have to assume they will spend it. The goal of $12 million for the quarter is not really accurate. The real goal is as much damn money as they can get. They need to get his name out over, and over, and over again so that he "appears to people" to be a top-tier candidate (I know he is, but if people don't see it that way it doesn't matter). The more folks see him on TV, or hear him on the radio, the more it will be cemented in people's minds that his campaign is for real, he is serious, and he can win.

I am going to donate on the 30th, and on the 16th, and if I can afford it one other time as well. I hope yall do the same. If you can't, then that's ok too - I hope you give what you are able to, whenever you are able.

And I really don't think the idea of another money bomb on the 30th takes away anything from the December 16th thing. If he continues to gain support, then any donations "lost" for the 16th by people who donated earlier will be made up by newcomers. And that HAS TO HAPPEN. And I think it will happen.

- Chip

That is one of the best arguments I've seen over this issue. +1
 
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