We need our own state.

[SteveMartin]

An island is the safest idea. Second best is the county approach.

We are not going to get enough people to actually move to take over a state. People are all talk and no action, when it comes right down to it.

NH had their shot, IMHO, and blew it...

 

[SteveMartin]

Mandy,

I read all the reasons. They rejected Maine for no good reason, never considered states they should have considered, and have accomplished next to nothing over these past several years.

 

[UziSprayTF]

I feel for you guys but this is never going to happen. I signed on to the Free State Project the day after I turned 18 (minimum age requirement) and over 5 years we couldn't find 20 000 people who were willing to move. If I thought for a second it could work, I would be for a free state, but for now lets just keep organizing for 2012.

 

[SteveMartin]

Let's buy an island!

 

[pinkmandy]

NH blew it? You guys aren't making sense. Have you read the 101 reasons? Why it will be MUCH easier to take over that state? Have you read about NH's Constitution? The districts? The town meetings? The transparency in govt? We still have work to do but we aren't starting from scratch there. The framework is there for us to work within. If your decision about where to go is based on how Paul did there, well, we may as well all sit right where we are and debate each other until we're all safely placed in fema camp where we can debate irl about what we should have done.

And now you're talking about an island? Sure, that's safe. Planes certainly wouldn't want to drop bombs on an island. If I were a neocon it would be my dream to get all of us stuck on an island somewhere. They wouldn't even have to bomb us. They could just drop some bombs off the coast and have a tsumami take care of us.

 

[Russellk30]

I disagree, the freedom virus would surely spread into those military bases.

You mean just like the freedom movement has taken over America?

 

[SteveMartin]

NH is nearly landlocked, and it is surrounded by ME, MA and VT. Unless those states seceded too you would be surrounded. Look, I am in NH a lot. I know how liberal most people there are. The NH RP results proved it, and the Free Staters couldn't even help maintain an open and free election there.

Now, if the Free State folks were even talking about secession (which they aren't) I might give the idea some credence, but they will NEVER take NH back for the Constitution at their current right of influx prior to McCain-Obama-Hitlery starting WWIII.

 

[Jagwarr]

Montana is a huge nuclear target if things ever got that bad. Central Montana would receive hundreds of warheads at the very start of WWIII meaning everything east would receive extreme fallout. Northwestern Montana would be fine however, if the normal wind patterns are present but the strikes on Montanta would continue for the duration of the war.

NH is a good choice for many reasons. It has one of the lowest crime rates in the country, it is always ranked as one of the healthiest states to live in. It has does not have fema camps or nuclear power plants, though there are two nuclear plants in the very southern part of Vermont.

Only the very most south eastern parts of the NH have nuclear targets besides Concord which is south central. It does not have any military bases to speak of. It borders Canada.

They do not have a sales tax or income tax but they do have robust property tax but this differs from county to county.

Some say the cold is a bad thing and it can be but it's nothing a fireplace can't take care of. If your thinking about a SHTF scenerio then the cold will work in your favor as far as keeping UN troops and blackwater security guards moving at a slow pace.

Vermont and Maine which border NH are also low crime states.

NH does have black flies which bite, the reason they have them is because black flies are only found where clean water runs, they are pests but don't transmit diseases, it also means there is lots of clean water around because black flies cannot live in polluted or standing water.

I was also surprised to see some very expensive ski resort areas in NH, it seems some of the so called elite like this state for getaways themselves so it might fare better then some other places.

 

[Russellk30]

I agree.

I have heard no compelling argument for buying an island other than the novelty of it.

Plus we would have to deal with whatever government jurisdiction the island falls under anyway.

 

[FreeStater]

Allow me to make the case for NH:

Low Population

One of the strongest economies for a low population state (makes finding jobs easy)

Lowest Tax burden, after Saudi Alaska

One of only five states to OUTLAW RealID, not just pass a resolution saying "please don't"

Tradition of Local Control.

Border With Canada and Ocean makes seccession feasible, (not landlocked)

Mass, VT, and Maine all have their own seccessionist movements and possibly might join in (maybe not mass)

Some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country

Free State Project already has 500 people there, 500 more coming this year, and another 7000 on their way (why not work with them?)

The Free State Project does NOT plan to seccede, as it has no plans beyond "Reduce government to the maximum role of protecting life liberty and property" however there are a lot of Free Staters who support Seccession.




The Free State project already looked at all of this, They selected NH for a reason.
101 and one reasons actually, http://www.freestateproject.org/files/101-Reasons-to-Move-to-NH.pdf

Live Free or Die



A couple other notes: Texas was not the only state to have been its own country. Hawaii was, as was California, for about 20 minutes.

 

[The Minister]

columbia blue- youre on the right track but we need a state with proximity to Canada in stead of Mexico. (Mexica can and does allow people to be persued across its borders, Canada does not)

You've not heard of the SPP, then?

Unless we get OUR act together up here and repeal NAFTA and SPP... Canada is already done for. There is almost less hope for our political process than yours. Saying that I think you should pick a state that borders Canada. as you would have many sympathizers in the bordering provinces who would sign a regional trade agreement.

BTW, as an outside observer, I seriously think your choices are Montana, Washington and Maine.

I would recommend that if there are enough of you, get Washington, Idaho and Montana.

 

[CurtisLow]

Steve, I'm leaning towards Maine myself and I hate cold. The geographic location of Maine is perfect, though. And if they're right about global warming, hell, it might warm up a bit, lol. I watched this docu on Yellowstone awhile back and it startled me. If it were not for that little fear I'd prefer Montana.

New Hampshire - Small, easy to take over, already libertarian, and already has a movement going on. Is bordered by other states, but New England isn't much of a military threat. DOES have a port in Portsmouth, so trade is possible.

I'm leaning towards Maine/ NH just for the very reasons above. If you want to be self reliant you must have a port. import/export

 

[mczerone]

I 2nd MI, The trail systems for dirt biking are great there. It is beautiful outside of SE MI. We just need to get rid of the neocons pro-Israel people in Oakland county. They would not let anything happen unless Israel gets something out of it, like money and weapons to kill Arabs.
We would have to burn Detroit / Flint area. and start over because it is just a cancer on the earths surface.

The UP sound great to me.

The people in Detroit and Flint have long wanted something better, but get screwed at every step. If you can't live with them, please don't commit to coming here.

 

[Russellk30]

The people in Detroit and Flint have long wanted something better, but get screwed at every step. If you can't live with them, please don't commit to coming here.

The people of Michigan voted for Romney because he promised to bring them federal aid. No thanks.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

Come on People I want to slap you guys, to wake you up. I have not even heard anyone mention about the way the state government is set up, that is one of the most important things. New Hampshire was chosen for a reason as the free state project. The New Hampshire Constitution is damn near perfect..........
~There are 400 state reps, That's one state rep for every 3250 people.
~The state reps make $100 a year, which requires a constitutional amendment to change. ~Many state reps run un opposed, you can get a big chunk of votes by just being on the ballot.
~The 10 article in the bill of rights grants THE RIGHT TO REVOLUTION
~international border, and also a sea border

I could go on and on....do some reseach before you throw up your arms and say "it's too cold"

Go here for 101 reasons to movehttp://www.freestateproject.org/files/101-Reasons-to-Move-to-NH.pdf

~the free staters have a state wide newspaper such as the keene free press
~There are several tv shows such as free minds tv and keene weekly news
~youtube videos such as The ridley report
~Radio stations like Free talk live (FTL)
~The annual pocupine festival is where free staters gather
~there is a network of housing available for new movers
~many web forums around

I highly recommend doing more reseach on the free state project, it's where I learned about Ron Paul from, and I'm planning on moving there from Ohio (BTW the weather is not any worse, people exagerate)

~some good videos to watch http://current.com/items/88792912_rent_free



And for those who say it's not doing any good, it will work in NH before anywhere else. It will work If you get off your butt and get to NH. And quit typing on you computer that "it's too cold", "too far", etc. Nowhere is too cold or too far to create a free society.
I know what I'm doing after the whole Ron Paul thing is done, and the Free State Project is it for me, I've traveled all over this country, looking for a better place, and New Hampshire is as good as it gets, while still being able to have a job.

Only a couple of problems. First of all it is surrounded by several states. Secondly, judging by the elections, it is very pro-war. Thirdly, it has a fairly large population-per-square-mile ratio.

 

[EastWindRain]

I think (temporary) separation is the only solution. I have been interested in this idea for 4.5 years now. We would have to pick a landmass which would be able to be self sufficient. I like Texas, but its large population would be a bit of a challenge. You have to realize that the Zionists would fight us every step of the way. This is there worst cause scenario. They absolutely do not want a completely free European nation. If we were to separate, the Zionists would use their power to try to create a war, where our fellow Western brothers would be brainwashed into trying to kill us for daring to try to free ourselves from our current enslavement. (Just like the war of Northern Aggression)

So we will have to fight an Information war on two fronts:

1. We have to convince the citizens of the landmass or State to separate based on the corruption and loss of standard of living that has plagued the entire system
2. We would have to convince the western world that it is our right to separate if we so desire, and that we are not a threat to the world, for our Media Masters will smear us as such, and will try to convince others to destroy us

 

[pinkmandy]

Only a couple of problems. First of all it is surrounded by several states. Secondly, judging by the elections, it is very pro-war. Thirdly, it has a fairly large population-per-square-mile ratio.

It has the SMALLEST districts in the country. Every 200 or so people have their own rep, every precinct is small enough to walk (think canvas) from one end to another in an hour. The reps are only paid $100/yr and often run unopposed. They have 400 delegates, the best ratio per voter in the country. We can have a HUGE impact on people and they even welcome us! Maine and VT are both liberty minded states, too. Being surrounded by other liberty minded states, having sea access, near the Can border...the FSP people really put a lot of effort into this. I've been studying their site all day. Pretty much any concern that has been brought up here they have already addressed. You just need to look it up.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

You all have fun messing around with the other states. I'm moving to Montana. Paul got near 50% in numerous counties. They passed laws stating they will never participate in REAL ID or National ID card. Now they are talking about succession if the supreme court rules against guns this summer. Plus, the population is small so we could easily take over the whole state if just 10-20k of us moved there. Tons of open space, tons of mountains to hide in Red Dawn style. I hate cold weather but it looks like Missoula is mild. It's 85 in the summer and 28 in the winter.

Soon as my woman and I graduate, we're there.

To all you people who are scared that Yellowstone is going to blow................ seriously. Which is the bigger threat? Yellowstone blowing or our government taking our guns and oppressing us?

Montana does sound good... As does Maine.

 

[pinkmandy]

You guys might want to take every state you're mentioning and find out why the NH FSP folks opted against it. Montana might like RP's gun stance and small govt, but they also like the HUGE federal farm subsidies they receive. And the sheep will not stand for a bunch of "fringe" appearing to take over (whether it's true or not is irrelelvant thanks to msm) a treasured national park.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

Alright, here is my argument for Vermont.

*Population 600,000, second smallest population after Wyoming.
*7% of the population already wants to secede
*Awesome Skiing
*Home of Ben & Jerry
*If we succeed, we can probably convince NH and Maine and the Canadians to join us.

Ben and Jerry???? WOOT! I'm in.