We need our own state.

[SteveMartin]

6.56 square miles off the coast of Brazil for only $10.35 million.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/boipeba-island.htm

This is the right size. If everyone gets 2 acres we have room for 2100 families--a population of 8-10,000! If we get 2100 people commited, that would be just $4,928 a piece. Then buidling costs...Not bad!

 

[SteveMartin]

McZerone,

Hmmm...lots of good logic to taking over the UP. What's the current population though. I know Marquette and Sault St. Marie are big towns....

 

[jpwilhelm]

I 2nd MI, The trail systems for dirt biking are great there. It is beautiful outside of SE MI. We just need to get rid of the neocons pro-Israel people in Oakland county. They would not let anything happen unless Israel gets something out of it, like money and weapons to kill Arabs.
We would have to burn Detroit / Flint area. and start over because it is just a cancer on the earths surface.

The UP sound great to me.

 

[Antonius Stone]

either Michigan or Montana.

 

[SteveMartin]

Larger but and much more expensive than Boipeba Island.

8.17 square miles for $95 million. Using 2 acres per person that is $36,437 each. It seems to have far fewer protective covenants than Boipeba though.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/macapule-island-mx.htm

 

[amy31416]

I've read through the entire thread (because this is something I'm very interested in) and I'm still leaning towards Montana, as I always have. Reasons?

1. Lots of space.
2. On the border.
3. Results for RP were pretty good there.
4. I've looked at all the stats on the weather, crime rate, etc--pretty good!
5. Several politicians in place that are freedom-oriented.
6. Mineral deposits/coal/natural gas.
7. Many ranches/farming.

The downsides? Periodic drought, extremes in weather. Water supply is very important, so I'm still a bit torn.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

No way on MIch people, I need outta here. I'm going to NH because they have a major and growing activist base. The state also has one of the lowest ratios of people on government services. It borders the Atlantic, which would help facilitate trade abroad. It has alot of libertarian media such as Free Talk Live, Gardner Goldsmith on Manchester's 12p-3p major talk slot m-f, as well as the Keene Free Press, Free Minds TV and others that are starting up right now. Thousands are pledged to move in the coming years as well as myself. Open carry, no income or sales tax, anti-real id, are on the verge of de-crimming MJ, and the only state constitution that allows specifically for the right to revolution. People can make good points about other states or moan about NH whether, but in the end it is obvious that this is the way to go. VT appears to have their own secession movement, but I'm not gonna live in the peoples republic of VT. They'd be good neighbors to have. Either state is beautiful though. Since there's already a free state movement in progress, I'll pass on the rest. SC and TX are for sure 'no-goes.' Though SC does have this thing called the Christian Exodus. But, it should be clear that there's too much military presence in most southern states...

 

[MusoSpuso]

I've read through the entire thread (because this is something I'm very interested in) and I'm still leaning towards Montana, as I always have. Reasons?

1. Lots of space.
2. On the border.
3. Results for RP were pretty good there.
4. I've looked at all the stats on the weather, crime rate, etc--pretty good!
5. Several politicians in place that are freedom-oriented.
6. Mineral deposits/coal/natural gas.
7. Many ranches/farming.

The downsides? Periodic drought, extremes in weather. Water supply is very important, so I'm still a bit torn.

Montana does have appeal and the reasons quoted are good. However, the fact that there is no access to international trade and is surrounded by other countries (Canada and the Communist States of America) is a deal breaker for me. Also, the population while relatively low is still high enough to make the prospect of "taking over" the state more difficult than some of the other less populated states.

 

[SteveMartin]

Here is an even larger Brazilian Island for sale. 11.6 square miles for just $4.25 million.

At 2 acres per settler that works out to only $1146 each for 3707 families.

http://islands.glo-con.com/property.php?property_no=AD29_8574

 

[SteveMartin]

Another slightly bigger Brazilian island with no price quoted:

http://islands.glo-con.com/property.php?property_no=AD17_8574

 

[FrankRep]

I'd rather not start from scratch on a small island. I'd rather take over a state.

 

[MusoSpuso]

I'd rather not start from scratch on a small island. I'd rather take over a state.

I agree.

I have heard no compelling argument for buying an island other than the novelty of it.

 

[acptulsa]

I've read through the entire thread (because this is something I'm very interested in) and I'm still leaning towards Montana, as I always have.

As long as it's seceding anyway, why not? With the Lakotas next door, Alberta above and Wyoming below, there's plenty of growth potential, and we can tap Old Faithful for geothermal energy. Little to cold for some of you? Just give global warming a few more years and it'll be downright tropical!

 

[cazeringue]

Louisiana.... We could over take it. Texas also have the Bushs, LBJ etc.

 

[acptulsa]

Louisiana.... We could over take it. Texas also have the Bushs, LBJ etc.

Might not need to take it over. No love lost between them and the rest of the U.S. at the moment.

 

[amy31416]

Montana does have appeal and the reasons quoted are good. However, the fact that there is no access to international trade and is surrounded by other countries (Canada and the Communist States of America) is a deal breaker for me. Also, the population while relatively low is still high enough to make the prospect of "taking over" the state more difficult than some of the other less populated states.

The trade thing is a problem, admittedly. I don't think the population is a problem though, what was the percentage that voted for Ron Paul in the primary? 25%? And I may be wrong, but I don't recall a huge push to get votes there, the people of Montana are educated and certainly welcome more freedom. Has any other state had this high of a percentage for RP so far?

So, the population of Montana is about 944,632. . .and while I know this isn't a very valid method of extrapolation...if 25% of them are or are potential RP supporters--that's 236,158 supporters already there. I have to try to find the actual number of voters though...not having much luck with that.

 

[SteveMartin]

The advantage of buying a large island somewhere is there would be little-to-no threat of violence from the monsters in charge of this country. If Montana secedes, I'm there though, but I wouldn't count on it...not by a long shot.

 

[amy31416]

As long as it's seceding anyway, why not? With the Lakotas next door, Alberta above and Wyoming below, there's plenty of growth potential, and we can tap Old Faithful for geothermal energy. Little to cold for some of you? Just give global warming a few more years and it'll be downright tropical!

I'll have to study it more, but I would think that living near the mountains might cut back a bit on some of the weather extremes. I do also like having the Lakotas close by--anyone know how their secession is going?

I've also read that many Montanans are armed...Wyoming would be a good neighbor to have.

Granted, I practically grew up in Canada so the weather is a little less problematic for me, but we humans are adaptable! Apparently there are some ghost towns in MT as well, I bet the land's pretty cheap there!

 

[acptulsa]

As for trade, well there aren't a lot of people in the Northwest Territories. If Alberta joins us, we can roll over enough of it to get a foothold on the Hudson Bay. Again, with global warming, we can have access to both the Atlantic and the Pacific.

 

[Libertytree]

As bad as I hate to say it, anywhere in the continental US you are a willing target. They will steamroll us, propodandize us well beyond what the Davidians incurred. Make no mistake folks, WE are the ENEMY and they have us tracked, logged and numbered already.