We need our own island

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

This is a foolish proposition to leave one's own country. How would you have food, water, electricity, internet... etc. Eventually you will be told join or die by the NWO. Its only a matter of time. Fight now we can surely slow down or totally destroy the NWO's plans. Maybe 200-400 years from now. You never know until you stop running away from your problems. As one we will be successful. As many small groups we can get nothing done. Keep that in mind. Unification is the key to success. The corporations and elites are organized beyond our imagination. But have stupid leaders. Imagine the people who are smart but unorganized. When we organize with one goal... we will be victorious. Ron only opened the door for us.. we have to walk through it.

In Liberty,
-Chris

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

How about creating a shadow government? Replace the current US government with one that we approve of, then run it.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

How's our military?

Touchet.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

How about creating a shadow government? Replace the current US government with one that we approve of, then run it.

You think that will work??? Sorry man no way.

 

[notcarljung]

Will there be regulation of commerce? Personally, I'd love to see none at all, but consider this:

If trade is unregulated, someone will get the bright idea of exporting illicit drugs. Then the DEA's probably going to start violating some micronational sovereignty.

A reasonable interpretation of the commerce clause could avoid this issue. (regulation of trade with foreign nations).

 

[LibertiORDeth]

This is a foolish proposition to leave one's own country. How would you have food, water, electricity, internet... etc. Eventually you will be told join or die by the NWO. Its only a matter of time. Fight now we can surely slow down or totally destroy the NWO's plans. Maybe 200-400 years from now. You never know until you stop running away from your problems. As one we will be successful. As many small groups we can get nothing done. Keep that in mind. Unification is the key to success. The corporations and elites are organized beyond our imagination. But have stupid leaders. Imagine the people who are smart but unorganized. When we organize with one goal... we will be victorious. Ron only opened the door for us.. we have to walk through it.

In Liberty,
-Chris

If we create a successful country, (which is entirely feasible) people will flock into it, and America will be forced to change its ways, or lose its entire population.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

We don't need our own island. One book you all need to read is blowback, by chalmers johnson. Any nation that opposes the American empire's will to dominate will eventually be overthrown.. the people that do this could even be called terrorists... We need to stay here and fight together. This talk about giving up is ridicules. Our fight is here we have the Constitution and our Bill Of Rights still. As long as we have that and our guns to protect our family's, neighbors and our rights and property we will stay here. We can win this by educating people. We can win this as long as we don't run away with our tails between our legs. Lets say a chunk of you leave... What then? 25k active supporters gone. Lets say you do this and you leave... 25k people gone.. when you can easily move to new hampshire or another place to start a free state project. You can easily take control of local government with that many people.

Imagine this.. you get your 'island' and populate it with 25k folks.... Lets say the NAU forms in 2019 then American empire building will be even worse... unlimited solders from Mexico.. who will eventually knock on your door saying.. hey you need to join us.. or else. You will surely refuse... and hell you know what could happen to you? Yep... termination or 're-education'. Think about that for a moment before you try to leave.

Organize groups make newsletters... Educate people, that is how we will win.. not by running and hiding only to be safe for a few extra years.

Leaving will only make it easier for the media to control the rest of us. You leave you abandon us all. We are all patriots, therefore we must act like it. Stay together and we stay free. Education is the key. Do not be afraid to talk to people about things like foreign policy or how our money is not backed by gold. Hell I do that whenever I can.

Do not give up... The small vigilant and persistent groups is what made this nation free in the first place...

In Liberty,
Chris

If America dared to touch us, the rest of the world wouldn't let it happen, since they don't like our foreign policy as it is. However, if they harmed a country with a few thousand or so people, the world would be up in arms about it, and we might even receive protection from the nearby countries, especially if we have goods and services to trade with them.

 

[LibertyIn08]

If we create a successful country, (which is entirely feasible) people will flock into it, and America will be forced to change its ways, or lose its entire population.

 

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

If America dared to touch us, the rest of the world wouldn't let it happen, since they don't like our foreign policy as it is. However, if they harmed a country with a few thousand or so people, the world would be up in arms about it, and we might even receive protection from the nearby countries, especially if we have goods and services to trade with them.

It wouldn't be America anymore... You don't see that. And the world wouldn't give two chits about a measly country of 2k people. America has covered up worse events. Guatemala in 1954 200,000 mynas slaughtered. Directly because of how American CIA involvement of training their police/soldiers. (UN independent study or something) Trust me a mere 2k-25k people wouldn't even be on the radar of the rest of the world. Best bet is to stay here fight for what we got and not to run.

In liberty,
Chris

 

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

If we create a successful country, (which is entirely feasible) people will flock into it, and America will be forced to change its ways, or lose its entire population.

Lets say your idea works... You get a good chunk of the freedom lovers in America to go there... What do you do with the rest of us? Hmm? Let us die or be converted? There is sadly no room for a new country for the whole of us. We have plenty of freedom lovers in the United States. Gun Owners, anti-nau, anti-tax, Pro- Habeas corpus, Pro Free speech, pro- Constitution, Pro- bill of rights, the list goes on and on... What we have to do is unite everyone to one common cause. To restore our constitution. Once we achieve that goal we will be en route to a free nation. Running will make it easier to convert (people to the NWO) we stay here among the rest of the civilians we stand a chance against the NWO. We move to a separate nation we will be either ignored or converted or killed. Especially when the NAU takes full force and joins with the EU and whichever other Unions form in the future.

Our fight is here.. where the constitution reigns supreme still. We fight until we get our country back.

Why not just move to one state and take that back? You set an example by one state or even a small group of states you can move mountains.

Leaving the country means you give up on all the people that still believe this nation is free or has the ability to be free.. And possibly millions of future freedom fighters. It is wrong to abandon. Our fight is here.

In Liberty,
Chris

 

[beachmaster]

Lets say your idea works... You get a good chunk of the freedom lovers in America to go there... What do you do with the rest of us? Hmm? Let us die or be converted? There is sadly no room for a new country for the whole of us. We have plenty of freedom lovers in the United States. Gun Owners, anti-nau, anti-tax, Pro- Habeas corpus, Pro Free speech, pro- Constitution, Pro- bill of rights, the list goes on and on... What we have to do is unite everyone to one common cause. To restore our constitution. Once we achieve that goal we will be en route to a free nation. Running will make it easier to convert (people to the NWO) we stay here among the rest of the civilians we stand a chance against the NWO. We move to a separate nation we will be either ignored or converted or killed. Especially when the NAU takes full force and joins with the EU and whichever other Unions form in the future.

Our fight is here.. where the constitution reigns supreme still. We fight until we get our country back.

Why not just move to one state and take that back? You set an example by one state or even a small group of states you can move mountains.

Leaving the country means you give up on all the people that still believe this nation is free or has the ability to be free.. And possibly millions of future freedom fighters. It is wrong to abandon. Our fight is here.

In Liberty,
Chris

And many of the ones left behind are the elderly, invalid, or poor, who either just physically can't up and leave, or can't afford to. That might include a lot of our very own family members. If you can't take your whole family and your friends too... would you really want to leave them behind to face the horrors that are coming to this country alone? Makes me think of those books "Left Behind", lol (not that I believe that crap).

 

[LibertiORDeth]

And many of the ones left behind are the elderly, invalid, or poor, who either just physically can't up and leave, or can't afford to. That might include a lot of our very own family members. If you can't take your whole family and your friends too... would you really want to leave them behind to face the horrors that are coming to this country alone? Makes me think of those books "Left Behind", lol (not that I believe that crap).

There will be funds to help those who can't afford it. And most of the elderly can join also, and the few who can't will most likely be gone before this is started.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

It wouldn't be America anymore... You don't see that. And the world wouldn't give two chits about a measly country of 2k people. America has covered up worse events. Guatemala in 1954 200,000 mynas slaughtered. Directly because of how American CIA involvement of training their police/soldiers. (UN independent study or something) Trust me a mere 2k-25k people wouldn't even be on the radar of the rest of the world. Best bet is to stay here fight for what we got and not to run.

In liberty,
Chris

I disagree, and think forming a new country would do the most good.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

Lets say your idea works... You get a good chunk of the freedom lovers in America to go there... What do you do with the rest of us? Hmm? Let us die or be converted? There is sadly no room for a new country for the whole of us. We have plenty of freedom lovers in the United States. Gun Owners, anti-nau, anti-tax, Pro- Habeas corpus, Pro Free speech, pro- Constitution, Pro- bill of rights, the list goes on and on... What we have to do is unite everyone to one common cause. To restore our constitution. Once we achieve that goal we will be en route to a free nation. Running will make it easier to convert (people to the NWO) we stay here among the rest of the civilians we stand a chance against the NWO. We move to a separate nation we will be either ignored or converted or killed. Especially when the NAU takes full force and joins with the EU and whichever other Unions form in the future.

Our fight is here.. where the constitution reigns supreme still. We fight until we get our country back.

Why not just move to one state and take that back? You set an example by one state or even a small group of states you can move mountains.

Leaving the country means you give up on all the people that still believe this nation is free or has the ability to be free.. And possibly millions of future freedom fighters. It is wrong to abandon. Our fight is here.

In Liberty,
Chris

So if there are so many freedom lovers here how will the NWO happen?

 

[beachmaster]

There will be funds to help those who can't afford it. And most of the elderly can join also, and the few who can't will most likely be gone before this is started.

There are people with health considerations, people who may be on probation/parole who can't get a passport (or are you thinking of leaving without a passport?), people like myself who has a wife who won't leave her elderly mom behind, etc. Believe me, I think there's hardly any hope of saving this nation and being a refugee in another land may be preferable to enduring what seems to be about to happen here. Fighting the NWO might be really hard to do if a plague is put on the land that kills multi millions of people and the survivors are puking blood out all day, while starving to death in the streets.

 

[tribar]

The whole idea is unfeasible. How many people moved to new hampshire for the free state project in the end? Not enough. And not enough would move to this island. Maybe like a dozen people.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

The whole idea is unfeasible. How many people moved to new hampshire for the free state project in the end? Not enough. And not enough would move to this island. Maybe like a dozen people.

So far about half of the people from here who know about it have expressed interest.

 

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

I disagree, and think forming a new country would do the most good.

Your a fool. That is just one event the CIA, and our government in one way or another covered up killing. Guatemala 1954 200k myans, Turkey 22,000ish kurds slain due to our training 1980's, South Korea Cheju slaughter 30k - 80k people slain the rest fled to japan (300,000 total)... Indonesia slaughter... and then theres IRAQ we had a blockade from 1993-98 (not sure if the years is right) Guess how many people we indirectly killed... and add that to the total we killed during the invasion.... If you are not a US citizen you are trash in the eyes of our government (and your country has something they want or can profit from). If not for our constitution we would have no rights at all. Anyone who questions any of these facts look them up. Or simply read Blowback By Chalmers Johnson.

JCET

Joint Combined Exchange Training
Look that up.

It is pure insanity to leave this nation. Free state project is the way to go if you want to do something. I said enough.

 

[GoApe4RonPaul2008]

There will be funds to help those who can't afford it. And most of the elderly can join also, and the few who can't will most likely be gone before this is started.

What about the millions of people who know and believe in their hearts that the constitution still reigns supreme in this land? What about those people? The ones who don't care because they don't know about this movement? What about our soldiers who swore an oath to uphold the constitution, would you be willing to tell them I left because I gave up? Tell me could you walk up to each person and say.. I abandoned you because I felt running away would solve the problem. People in this country still believe in the constitution.. its just that nobody knows exactly what it does except us. The well educated people... Our job is to educate everyone by talking (word of mouth) or newsletters. Or something to show them that there IS life left.

When I was telling people about ron paul... the majority of the people had a high interest in him. The main problem is that he doesn't have enough exposure. We need to keep up his message not his name. HIS message NOT his NAME!

The message of freedom is popular, it always has been.

 

[Misesean]

What about the millions of people who know and believe in their hearts that the constitution still reigns supreme in this land?

I think there's a word for people who "know in their hearts" things that are contrary to observable reality. (Well, two words: the polite one is "religious")