We DID WIN Washington!!

[QCB79]

but take the 21% plus that 12% uncommitted and RP really did win

 

[hellsingfan]

You guys will see it onces we're done with the state convention, their is no point talking to some of the trolls here.

 

[xj.archaeologist]

When is the state convention?

When are ANY of the conventions?
That's the part of this whole system I don't understand...

 

[tpreitzel]

When is the state convention?

When are ANY of the conventions?
That's the part of this whole system I don't understand...

As far as Washington, I don't know. However, many of them are in May.

 

[fortilite]

Where I'm from the winner is the one with the most votes.

 

[bdmarti]

Where I'm from the winner is the one with the most votes.

Then you don't know how to play the game.

You can knock down all ten pins when bowling for 10 straight frames and still score a zero if you fault each time.

1000 voters could vote for McCain in a given precinct and they would get 2 delegates, and 2 Ron Paul voters could vote for themselves in each of a hundred precincts and they would in turn get 200 delegates. Did McCain win with his 1000 votes, or is he a big fat loser because his chances of getting any national delegates at the convention is zero? The answer is self evident.

 

[Avalon]

I am considering going out and canvassing for Huckabee just so McCain doesn't win the nomination, and we win the delegates. I'd probably tell them wrong convention and caucus dates, just so we can get that one extra delegates.

Don't worry I won't do that since I'm full committed to Ron Paul, and Huckabee ain't gonna win WA anyway. I hope either we or Huckabee win on March 4th. I was actually elated that he won Kansas, it shows us the convention might still be brokered.

Yes, please do canvass for Huckster in WA. RP doesn't have a chance at getting 20% of the primary voters so give as many primary delegates as possibly Huckleberry Hound. Get all our RP people to vote for him too.

 

[fortilite]

You can knock down all ten pins when bowling for 10 straight frames and still score a zero if you fault each time.

Yeah, that's relevant to the topic at hand. McCain has more state delegates. He won the majority of precincts. More precincts nominated him than Ron Paul.

 

[literatim]

Every time I read the OP I get more upset.

Winning Washington would have won us more states and more delegates than having everyone hide their RP pride, if this is true

The Ron Paul supporters that got elected as other candidate delegates and as uncommitted would never have gotten elected as Ron Paul delegates to begin with.

Yeah, that's relevant to the topic at hand. McCain has more state delegates. He won the majority of precincts. More precincts nominated him than Ron Paul.

You clearly do not know how the political system works.

 

[Thunderbolt]

I don't know what you are talking about. If this was some master plan, why not give Ron Paul just enough to actually win and then have the rest uncommitted?

Winning is winning and it gets reported as winning. It is better than losing. Coming in third in a three man race is losing.

Winners win. Losers lose. If Ron Paul supporters really didn't vote for Ron Paul for some cute reason, they made a big mistake.

 

[fortilite]

You clearly do not know how the political system works.

Please explain it then. The onus is on you, you are making the claim contradictory to all evidence. McCain has 21% more pledged state delegates. Ron Paul has some guy making unsubstantiated claims on the internet.

 

[kyleAF]

Yes, please do canvass for Huckster in WA. RP doesn't have a chance at getting 20% of the primary voters so give as many primary delegates as possibly Huckleberry Hound. Get all our RP people to vote for him too.

How about canvassing for BOTH? Not just Huckabee... that's shooting ourselves in the foot. Of course, so is a majority of delegates for McCain.

Go out and say to people: "Do you think McCain is too liberal?" ...Yes... "Then your only real choices are Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee!" Who's Ron Paul? "Oh! Well, let me tell you about him..."

Oh, I like him "Well be sure to vote for him on xxx day"

Oh, I don't like him "Well, then I suggest Mike Huckabee"

.........Get the idea?

All RP supporters should continue to do just that. This sort of strategy just might work... we aren't going to get some magic thrown our way. We're gonna have to get our hands dirty.

 

[austin4paul]

Did you look at Alaska? We thought we would win. In Washington we didn't want to take a chance. Its better for us to get the delegates! But like I said, we underestimated RP support in the caucus. So just be happy that we didn't fuck up in the delegate area! You'll see stories where 4 people showed up and 3 were romney, but the 1 selected for delegate was RP, why because he put undecided, and when it was time to give a talk he said something pro-Romney like! Lol!! We did this to win, sorry if you can't look past the beauty contest, but if this wasn't done we would have lost a lot of delegate postitions!

Such BS. My brother went to his caucus in WA. It was him and 3 Romney Supporters. He didn't hide behind "undecided" -- first he converted all 3 of the Romney supporters to sign RP, then he got them to vote him in as delegate. His caucus was in a District setting, and people were getting up giving McCain speeches. After he finished his passionate RP speech - that was the last any McCain supporter had the nerve to stand up and say anything. So don't tell me that you have to hide behind "undecided" to win! In a room full of 100 people, not a single one of them even knew that the Fed wasn't a government agency. All we need to do is educate people with the truth! <rant over>

 

[kyleAF]

I don't know what you are talking about. If this was some master plan, why not give Ron Paul just enough to actually win and then have the rest uncommitted?

Because the other people are getting privy to our caucusing and are working to keep RP supporters out of the delegate slots.

What you suggest is great in hindsight, but they couldn't have known what "just enough to actually win" would be.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Please explain it then. The onus is on you, you are making the claim contradictory to all evidence. McCain has 21% more pledged state delegates. Ron Paul has some guy making unsubstantiated claims on the internet.

Look up the Electoral College and study it, the founders of this country set up elections precisely to avoid what the media has been perpetuating which is the ignorance of the masses. Democracy is the expression of mob rule according to Aristotle, which is why the whole delegate process exists, to protect the few from the many when it is necessary.

 

[fortilite]

Look up the Electoral College and study it, the founders of this country set up elections precisely to avoid what the media has been perpetuating which is the ignorance of the masses. Democracy is the expression of mob rule according to Aristotle, which is why the whole delegate process exists, to protect the few from the many when it is necessary.

So far McCain has the states electoral college - their delegates. He has 20% more than Ron Paul. If you disagree you really should supply some sort of evidence. You are just falling victim to wishful thinking.

P.S. The electoral college is the term used for the general election, they are called delegates during the primaries. Look it up.

 

[naga_warrior]

So far McCain has the states electoral college - their delegates. He has 20% more than Ron Paul. If you disagree you really should supply some sort of evidence. You are just falling victim to wishful thinking.

P.S. The electoral college is the term used for the general election, they are called delegates during the primaries. Look it up.

Are you talking about getting the republican nomination or winning WA?



As far as WA, from the looks of it we MIGHT have won it. Sure we don't know but we shall see who those uncommitted are. The delagetes didn't have to say who they were for, and some Ron Paul supporters were instructed to do this if they thought that they couldn't get the support due to Anti Paul people.

As far as the nomination, yes we are down. But there is still hope. McCain has to get close to 1200 total delagets to become the nomination NO MATTER what. If he doesn't get it before the convention then they have to try to make deals at the convention to get him those votes. But we are HOPING we have a lot of our own people that are going even if they have to vote for him on the first few ballots.

 

[Soccrmastr]

We won, but uncommited didnt help us at all, because unless media reports a win, its not a win. but still, GREAT JOB GUYS!!!!!! WOOT WOOT FIRST STATE WON MUAHAH!

 

[bdmarti]

So far McCain has the states electoral college - their delegates. He has 20% more than Ron Paul. If you disagree you really should supply some sort of evidence. You are just falling victim to wishful thinking.

Hey, maybe YOU should supply some evidence that McCain has 20% more DELEGATES than Ron Paul.

There are two obvious ways the media can estimate the number of delegates each candidate has and both involve using the sign in lists that asked for presidential preference.

In one case, you could check to see who was elected delegate and cross reference that with who they claimed to support.

In another case one could simply assume that the sign in list would be reflected accurately in the proportion of delegates elected that favor each candidate.

Neither of those methods accounts for who the hell the 30% of Romney, other, and Undeclared voters at the caucus elected for delegates.

It's not even remotely safe to say that McCain has 20% more delegates than Paul based upon what the media can tell you.

So...why don't you run along and fetch your evidence to prove that McCain has 20% more state level delegates. Go on...we'll wait.

or....admit you can't know that right now and STFU

 

[fortilite]

As far as WA, from the looks of it we MIGHT have won it. Sure we don't know but we shall see who those uncommitted are. The delagetes didn't have to say who they were for, and some Ron Paul supporters were instructed to do this if they thought that they couldn't get the support due to Anti Paul people.

So he might have gotten 22% instead of 21%. Wooo.

Face it, McCain won until it is proven otherwise. Ron Paul got 3rd. He still did great. But let's not make up victories just because it makes us feel better.