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‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant
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IMHO the SHTF scenario isn't going to happen. It will be a slow, step by step slide into a German pattern of National Socialism. I think Mises had it entirely right. It won't matter if you are armed to the teeth for Armageddon; the media will simply report your arrest or execution as a domestic terrorist in need of removal. Done so in such a way to motivate the remainder of the naive public not to resist.
When they say they are preparing for civil war, what they really mean is war by the non government privileged against the government privileged. They will use lethal force to maintain slave master status in the same way a Warden squashes a prison revolt.
When they say they are preparing for civil war, what they really mean is war by the non government privileged against the government privileged. They will use lethal force to maintain slave master status in the same way a Warden squashes a prison revolt.
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Nah. The active ones will be reduced to loose groups of raiders. They won't be shaking people down for drug money, etc. If they keep wearing uniforms, it will only be to fool stupid people and easy targets. After 4-5 months, there will be no more easy targets.
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Maybe you are right. Maybe there is no way to identify ourselves...
I just remember the saying "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Ben Franklin
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...or a good military grade NBC suit.
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It's easy to get caught up in the doom and gloom, especially when one immerses oneself in learning and waking up for a while, but part of the reason it's easy is because at least one faction of the power players wants you to be fearful of the future because fear is a great dis-motivator for actually going out and trying to change things for the better.
I think the OP is part truth and part speculation. I do think one group, possibly the one currently behind our current WH occupant, is preparing for civil war. But who is this group? One way to look at them, whomever they may actually be as individuals, is as being in three levels; leaders, enablers, and implementers. The leaders are the actual psychopaths, they lack empathy and they actually believe they have the right to rule the world according to their whims and to hell with the rest of us. The enablers may or may not be psychopaths that lack empathy but they don't necessarily want to rule the world, they just want whatever desires they have fulfilled and are willing to sell out the rest of us to get them. The implementers are not psychopaths (at least not more than the 'average' population, they are largely like us, have empathy and just want to be able to raise their families and live a decent life.
The current leaders have enough control to do things logistically and undoubtedly plant agent provocateurs in place to instigate events so that some of these logistical preparations can be implemented. But that does not mean that once they actually commit that their plan will succeed.
The leaders are not only merely human and therefore able to fail as easy as the rest of us, they have their own weaknesses. One is their extreme narcissism, they cannot take into account very well actual human nature. The enablers are able to help with that perhaps but they are only out for themselves really, and if confronted with a situation where it is more beneficial to them to betray their leaders they are likely to do so. The implementers are 'just following orders' and may readily abandon the plan were they fully aware of it. While it may be possible for the leaders to hide their true agenda through lying and compartmentalization for now once the leaders fully commit it will become crystal clear to many if not most of the enablers and implementers. When this happens the implementers and even some of the enablers will be starting to re-examine their role and since they are not psychopaths and most of them probably don't want civil war. Thus the plan will start to unravel even as it is implemented, as all complex plans do. What actually ends up happening cannot be predicted with any certainty since War is the father of chaos. Of course the leaders will want to 'control' or 'manage' the chaos to their own ends but that is not possible.
On the other side I have little doubt that there are groups who are aware of these plans and are actively working to oppose them. This group also can be thought of as leaders, enablers and implementers. But now the leaders are not psychopaths, they have feelings and the general human desire to live in peace so they can raise families and pursue their own happiness. They have been and will be working to infiltrate the ranks of the enablers of the psychopath group and also to have key people in place among the implementers. When and if the 'civil war plan' is committed to by the psychopaths then immediately this group will reveal itself and counter attack, not the population or citizens but the actual psychopaths and their core enablers, who after all are not some huge all consuming group of millions or even 10's of thousands, more likely the number of truly evil psychopaths and enablers are in the low thousands or even less. I mean think about it, if there were 10's of thousands of evil psychopaths and enablers running things we would have been enslaved long ago. No, the number of individuals who are the real threat are not that large, and I have no doubt that all of them are know to the 'good guys'.
To think so much evil is in the USA and no one is actively fighting against it is as naive as to think that there is no evil at all. If it were as bad as 'they' want us to think then we would already have lost. Obviously we have not.
So that leaves the question, what should the rest of us do? Those who are not leaders, enablers, or implementers but just citizens? Well we should do what we should always do, be vigilant, prepared, but also optimistic and open to the possibility that things can get better just as rapidly as they can get worse given the right circumstances. Because if you honestly doubt this then what's the point? You might as well become a doomsday prepper and go hide from the world since you were defeated when you gave up your hope of a better tomorrow.
I don't know what will happen, neither do any of us, even those making plans. That's the ultimate truth in this Universe, the future is always undetermined until we arrive there in our present. So for now I'm just trying to do what Ron Paul is doing, which isn't freaking out, isn't bugging out, isn't running away, isn't giving up, and isn't even losing hope. Ron Paul is optimistic, he is hopeful, he knows we will have hard times ahead but he also believes without the psychopaths in the way we can get through them in a couple of years and get back on track to a better future. At least that's how he comes across to me.
So I'm more hopeful of the alternate scenario, summarized below. I don't know that it is going to happen but somehow it actually makes a lot more sense to me than thinking we're doomed to civil war, despotism and worse. Your mileage may vary.
http://freedomreigns.us/ALERTS.html
URGENT: ARRESTS IMMINENT
What to know
Bankers/Illuminati/Cabal/Government have been running the world and doing bad things.
White hats including old money, military, veterans, federal marshals, and local law officials are going to arrest them.
Media may say it’s martial law and try to spread panic, but the actions are lawful and benefit humanity.
International travel will be stopped for 3 days. Some facilities wired to explode will be off limits for safety.
You are going to find out that the cabal have done terrible things to you, your family, and humanity.
Don’t believe that every one of them is as guilty as the leaders. Some were forced to act and were threatened with torture.
What to do
The goal is to transition peacefully and safely. There will likely be disruptions in local travel, food supply, water supply, and electricity.
Make sure you have necessities for 72 hours and ideally 30 days.
Remain calm. Support the troops and law officers that are arresting thousands of criminals guilty of heinous crimes against us all.
Research stories on the internet to assure yourself that the arresters are good and the arrestees are bad.
Please just try to be calm and work together to meet the needs of your community.
What not to do.
Don’t panic.
Don’t turn on each other.
Don’t riot.
Don’t run into a bank and start shooting people.
I think the OP is part truth and part speculation. I do think one group, possibly the one currently behind our current WH occupant, is preparing for civil war. But who is this group? One way to look at them, whomever they may actually be as individuals, is as being in three levels; leaders, enablers, and implementers. The leaders are the actual psychopaths, they lack empathy and they actually believe they have the right to rule the world according to their whims and to hell with the rest of us. The enablers may or may not be psychopaths that lack empathy but they don't necessarily want to rule the world, they just want whatever desires they have fulfilled and are willing to sell out the rest of us to get them. The implementers are not psychopaths (at least not more than the 'average' population, they are largely like us, have empathy and just want to be able to raise their families and live a decent life.
The current leaders have enough control to do things logistically and undoubtedly plant agent provocateurs in place to instigate events so that some of these logistical preparations can be implemented. But that does not mean that once they actually commit that their plan will succeed.
The leaders are not only merely human and therefore able to fail as easy as the rest of us, they have their own weaknesses. One is their extreme narcissism, they cannot take into account very well actual human nature. The enablers are able to help with that perhaps but they are only out for themselves really, and if confronted with a situation where it is more beneficial to them to betray their leaders they are likely to do so. The implementers are 'just following orders' and may readily abandon the plan were they fully aware of it. While it may be possible for the leaders to hide their true agenda through lying and compartmentalization for now once the leaders fully commit it will become crystal clear to many if not most of the enablers and implementers. When this happens the implementers and even some of the enablers will be starting to re-examine their role and since they are not psychopaths and most of them probably don't want civil war. Thus the plan will start to unravel even as it is implemented, as all complex plans do. What actually ends up happening cannot be predicted with any certainty since War is the father of chaos. Of course the leaders will want to 'control' or 'manage' the chaos to their own ends but that is not possible.
On the other side I have little doubt that there are groups who are aware of these plans and are actively working to oppose them. This group also can be thought of as leaders, enablers and implementers. But now the leaders are not psychopaths, they have feelings and the general human desire to live in peace so they can raise families and pursue their own happiness. They have been and will be working to infiltrate the ranks of the enablers of the psychopath group and also to have key people in place among the implementers. When and if the 'civil war plan' is committed to by the psychopaths then immediately this group will reveal itself and counter attack, not the population or citizens but the actual psychopaths and their core enablers, who after all are not some huge all consuming group of millions or even 10's of thousands, more likely the number of truly evil psychopaths and enablers are in the low thousands or even less. I mean think about it, if there were 10's of thousands of evil psychopaths and enablers running things we would have been enslaved long ago. No, the number of individuals who are the real threat are not that large, and I have no doubt that all of them are know to the 'good guys'.
To think so much evil is in the USA and no one is actively fighting against it is as naive as to think that there is no evil at all. If it were as bad as 'they' want us to think then we would already have lost. Obviously we have not.
So that leaves the question, what should the rest of us do? Those who are not leaders, enablers, or implementers but just citizens? Well we should do what we should always do, be vigilant, prepared, but also optimistic and open to the possibility that things can get better just as rapidly as they can get worse given the right circumstances. Because if you honestly doubt this then what's the point? You might as well become a doomsday prepper and go hide from the world since you were defeated when you gave up your hope of a better tomorrow.
I don't know what will happen, neither do any of us, even those making plans. That's the ultimate truth in this Universe, the future is always undetermined until we arrive there in our present. So for now I'm just trying to do what Ron Paul is doing, which isn't freaking out, isn't bugging out, isn't running away, isn't giving up, and isn't even losing hope. Ron Paul is optimistic, he is hopeful, he knows we will have hard times ahead but he also believes without the psychopaths in the way we can get through them in a couple of years and get back on track to a better future. At least that's how he comes across to me.
So I'm more hopeful of the alternate scenario, summarized below. I don't know that it is going to happen but somehow it actually makes a lot more sense to me than thinking we're doomed to civil war, despotism and worse. Your mileage may vary.
http://freedomreigns.us/ALERTS.html
URGENT: ARRESTS IMMINENT
What to know
Bankers/Illuminati/Cabal/Government have been running the world and doing bad things.
White hats including old money, military, veterans, federal marshals, and local law officials are going to arrest them.
Media may say it’s martial law and try to spread panic, but the actions are lawful and benefit humanity.
International travel will be stopped for 3 days. Some facilities wired to explode will be off limits for safety.
You are going to find out that the cabal have done terrible things to you, your family, and humanity.
Don’t believe that every one of them is as guilty as the leaders. Some were forced to act and were threatened with torture.
What to do
The goal is to transition peacefully and safely. There will likely be disruptions in local travel, food supply, water supply, and electricity.
Make sure you have necessities for 72 hours and ideally 30 days.
Remain calm. Support the troops and law officers that are arresting thousands of criminals guilty of heinous crimes against us all.
Research stories on the internet to assure yourself that the arresters are good and the arrestees are bad.
Please just try to be calm and work together to meet the needs of your community.
What not to do.
Don’t panic.
Don’t turn on each other.
Don’t riot.
Don’t run into a bank and start shooting people.
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I went through the stage of oh crap, time to build a bunker lol I'm not trying to say there isn't anything wrong with preparing, because you should. Instead of completely bunkering down and isolating yourselves, you should be going out and doing everything you can to change things. There are many ways to accomplish our ends, just find the one that's right for you, network, and give it your all!
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Being involved in the conception or execution of these plans is treason by the strictest definition.
They aren't planning for a "civil war". They are planning to suppress resistance to a totalitarian state which seeks to dispense with the inconvenience of its mask.
They aren't planning for a "civil war". They are planning to suppress resistance to a totalitarian state which seeks to dispense with the inconvenience of its mask.
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the good news is .... we're all going to camp! yay!
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*shrug*
I know our government does a lot of shit, but why admit it?
It's pretty stupid to expect a civil uprising, as if there is a meaning to fight for. Mostly because we CAN do something about this economic mess, and the fact that most of this problem is the government's fault. You're telling me they would rather have a civil war just to cling to power instead of quitting while ahead...?
Yeah, well, although shit like that sounds like our government, they wouldn't admit it.
I know our government does a lot of shit, but why admit it?
It's pretty stupid to expect a civil uprising, as if there is a meaning to fight for. Mostly because we CAN do something about this economic mess, and the fact that most of this problem is the government's fault. You're telling me they would rather have a civil war just to cling to power instead of quitting while ahead...?
Yeah, well, although shit like that sounds like our government, they wouldn't admit it.
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Lol I'll bring the marshmallows.
What, you have no tunnels in the yard Jayhawk
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They would be scared of the socialists ? I cannot see that....
I already have ammo and a hard copy
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