‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant

[LibForestPaul]

I'm really beginning to think that all this doomsday civil war crap is to put all the people who really want change into a state of fear so that they won't do anything but stock up on ammo, get a ham radio, download hard copies of the bill of rights, listen to Alex Jones and sit around in a state of constant panic planning a series of underground tunnels in their back yard.

The r3volution is a peaceful movement. We don't want collapse, we want a gradual waking up of the masses, a real change of public opinion and subsequently real change in the role and scope of government in general.

I'm just tired of all the collapse propaganda, I distrust all these kinds of articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Millions of people were persecuted in the violent factional struggles that ensued across the country, and suffered a wide range of abuses including public humiliation, arbitrary imprisonment, torture, sustained harassment, and seizure of property. A large segment of the population was forcibly displaced, most notably the transfer of urban youth to rural regions during the Down to the Countryside Movement. Historical relics and artifacts were destroyed. Cultural and religious sites were ransacked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of excess deaths.[2] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[3] to 45 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

It involved a large-scale purge of the Communist Party and government officials, repression of peasants, Red Army leadership, and the persecution of unaffiliated persons, characterized by widespread police surveillance, widespread suspicion of "saboteurs", imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/world/europe/15iht-bulgaria.4.16989483.html?pagewanted=all

Politics is played to the death in Bulgaria, where the lives of politicians can be as cheap as spent bullets and murky business groups wage a murderous struggle for their cut of everything from real estate deals to millions in European aid.

During a furious political season last year, the home of the chairwoman of a municipal electoral committee was set on fire and the garages of mayors were firebombed.

In the meantime, government spending continued to be high and corruption was rampant. Argentina's public debt grew enormously during the 1990s and the country showed no true signs of being able to pay it. The IMF, however, kept lending money to Argentina and postponing its payment schedules. Massive tax evasion and money laundering explained a large part of the evaporation of funds toward offshore banks.

In addition to the corralito, the Ministry of Economy dictated the pesificación, by which all bank accounts denominated in dollars would be converted to pesos at official rate. This measure angered most savings holders and appeals were made by many citizens to declare it unconstitutional.

After a few months, the exchange rate was left to float more or less freely. The peso suffered a huge depreciation, which in turn prompted inflation (since Argentina depended heavily on imports, and had no means to replace them locally at the time).

The economic situation became steadily worse with regards to inflation and unemployment during 2002. By that time the original 1-to-1 rate had increased to nearly 4 pesos per dollar, while the accumulated inflation since the devaluation was about 80%

Monthly inflation of 10-20%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monthly_inflation_in_Argentina,_2002.png

 

[LibForestPaul]

Never underestimate the evil of groups of men.

 

[Carson]

It'll be an uprising in favor of socialism.

If there is it will be because of the back-door, stealth socialism that has sucked us all dry.

No matter how much you and your friends can gather together to build the world the way they want, others, inside and outside of our once great nation can fire up the fake money presses and dictate their way with us.

In the olden days it was still possible to save money. Often someone would come up with an idea, draw everyone together on it and build what ever it was.

Now it is impossible to save in any fashion. Saving through a bank can't keep up with inflation, nor stocks, commodities or any other form we used to use. The reason lies in the stealth socialism of fiat. They have counterfeited the money supply at least 26 times over.

That has put a lot of money in the hands of people that shouldn't have had any say with a dollar in the first place. They've been able to over rule the honest dollar and everyone's power with the honest buck. These honest people used to do marvelous work at furthering mankind. They've all be silenced by the back-door stealth socialism.

The way they do it is with the corrupt system of fiat we've allowed for decades.

Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear.

Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him.

You own half of everything and so do I.

I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank.

You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with.

All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world!

That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.

That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.

 

[azxd]

Lol. I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

He's makin a list
Check'n it twice
Gonna find out who's naught or nice

The DICKtators goons are comin to town.

DAMN STRAIGHT IT"S LOADED

They see you when you're creep'n
They know when you're awake

They tell you you've been bad or good

So be bad for goodness sake

 

[NoOneButPaul]

I'm really beginning to think that all this doomsday civil war crap is to put all the people who really want change into a state of fear so that they won't do anything but stock up on ammo, get a ham radio, download hard copies of the bill of rights, listen to Alex Jones and sit around in a state of constant panic planning a series of underground tunnels in their back yard.

The r3volution is a peaceful movement. We don't want collapse, we want a gradual waking up of the masses, a real change of public opinion and subsequently real change in the role and scope of government in general.

I'm just tired of all the collapse propaganda, I distrust all these kinds of articles.

THIS.

But i'm still stocking up on guns and ammo.

 

[Bruno]

Buy gold, silver, and long term food supply

 

[anaconda]

It'll be an uprising in favor of socialism.

This is why the PTB want it to happen.

 

[wizardwatson]

It doesn't matter what you want. The collapse is a mathematical inevitability whether people like you bury their heads in the sand or not

What exactly does "the collapse" entail. If its a "mathematical inevitably" you obviously must have a mathematically sound theory of what it actually entails.

And I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand by not freaking out constantly about a collapse. I actually used to do that to a large degree but that was way before Paul. My point is actually the reverse of what you are saying, I'm saying the collapsaholics are the ones who seem to want to bury their head in the sand by constantly denying any kind of educational strategy and just waiting for doomsday in their couch fort.

 

[wizardwatson]

I don't see what would be wrong with preparing just in case. There's no need to panic or live in fear. You should always strive to be entirely self sufficient, or as much as possible. Even if there isn't a collapse, there will eventually be an asteriod strike or some other major natural disaster. I'm not saying be afraid, just that a natural disaster will happen and if you're alive to see it, this type of preparedness will prepare you for that as well.

I wasn't saying don't prepare. I've prepared myself to some extent, its just the fear mongering about a collapse and the cynicism about doing stuff to try to reach out to others that bothers me. Obviously I'm outgunned in this thread judging on the feedback.

 

[TheTexan]

What exactly does "the collapse" entail. If its a "mathematical inevitably" you obviously must have a mathematically sound theory of what it actually entails.

As debt approaches infinity, the probability of the currency becoming useless becomes 1

 

[azxd]

What exactly does "the collapse" entail. If its a "mathematical inevitably" you obviously must have a mathematically sound theory of what it actually entails.

And I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand by not freaking out constantly about a collapse. I actually used to do that to a large degree but that was way before Paul. My point is actually the reverse of what you are saying, I'm saying the collapsaholics are the ones who seem to want to bury their head in the sand by constantly denying any kind of educational strategy and just waiting for doomsday in their couch fort.

Being prepared for situations is smart ... Even if you want to categorize it as something else.

Ask those who survived the Great Depression, or any natural disaster

 

[azxd]

$hit happens

 

[BlackTerrel]

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

A guy who claims high up people told him... seems very well sourced.

Brought to you by the people who brought you Y2K.

 

[JasonC]

I'm really beginning to think that all this doomsday civil war crap is to put all the people who really want change into a state of fear so that they won't do anything but stock up on ammo, get a ham radio, download hard copies of the bill of rights, listen to Alex Jones and sit around in a state of constant panic planning a series of underground tunnels in their back yard.

The r3volution is a peaceful movement. We don't want collapse, we want a gradual waking up of the masses, a real change of public opinion and subsequently real change in the role and scope of government in general.

I'm just tired of all the collapse propaganda, I distrust all these kinds of articles.

Well said, my friend.

 

[wizardwatson]

The vast majority of those capable of 'waking up' have already woken. Most of the people in this movement took hold of freedom the instant Ron Paul offered it to them. Within 5 minutes of seeing my first Ron Paul video so many years ago, I was hooked. Similar stories can be found across these forums. It was like a flip of a switch.

I hate to break it to you, but the rest of the country isn't wired to want freedom. They just want to be fed & entertained, control other people's liberties at the expense of their own, and have most of their choices made for them. No amount of education can fix this.

The reason why the Republican Party and the MSM have been marginalizing Ron Paul and pulling out every trick in the book to fight him is not because they don't understand his policies. They know his policies inside out, but simply reject them. Ron Paul's policies of freedom, personal responsibility, and limited government are in direct opposition to their desires to control and be controlled.

They won't ever admit to their tyrannical nature, instead their tendencies manifest themselves as façades of one variety or the other. Those façades being the Republican party or the Democratic party. You see, despite their desire for tyranny, they like to believe they are free. They don't participate in either party from any ideological belief, but instead as a utility to pretend they are free and in control of their lives.

Of course they are not in control of their lives. They are not free. They like enslaving and being enslaved, but can never admit that, because it would force them to acknowledge the very dark realities of their inner nature. Instead they operate in a state of denial, which is why very few of their arguments are rational. When you force them to look at the truth, they get very defensive and if you continue to press, you find outright hostility. Which is what we've been seeing this entire campaign.

I'm sure this is not what you wanted to hear. I cannot convince you that this is true. I hope only to expose you to this idea so that you can come to your own conclusion based on your own experiences. Based on my own experiences I can say with absolute certainty that only a minority of this country wants freedom.

By extension, this country is not going to make progress towards liberty. This country is on a one-way street both to tyranny, and economic collapse. If we continue with our current strategy, we may take a few steps towards liberty. But for every step we take forward, the rest of the country will have taken us five steps backward.

It is no longer a matter of if a collapse is going to happen. The only question is when, and whether or not we as a movement are going down with them.

See to me this just sounds like "give up on people". And what else can you do after you've "prepared". You still have to live and work with the same people who's negligence in the field of liberty brought the whole thing down.

I'm not even saying the collapse isn't going to happen. My main original point was that we should act in manner that brings us towards the goal of liberty with or without a doomsday scenario and that is to work with and educate people in the ideas of freedom and non-violence, and I would add charity.

 

[TheTexan]

See to me this just sounds like "give up on people".

We have an obligation to give them freedom? I disagree with that strongly. Freedom cannot be given.

And what else can you do after you've "prepared". You still have to live and work with the same people who's negligence in the field of liberty brought the whole thing down.

No, we don't have to live and work with the same people who brought us to this point. We can choose to continue to live and work with them, or we can choose to separate ourselves from them. The Free State Project is one such practical & realistic example.

I'm not even saying the collapse isn't going to happen. My main original point was that we should act in manner that brings us towards the goal of liberty with or without a doomsday scenario and that is to work with and educate people in the ideas of freedom and non-violence, and I would add charity.

Save the country or go down with it are not the only two options. It warms my heart that you want to give this country freedom, but they don't want it. Peaceful alternatives such as the FSP could realize our freedom in a matter of just a few years, if that.

 

[azxd]

A guy who claims high up people told him... seems very well sourced.

Brought to you by the people who brought you Y2K.

LOL

OK !!!
Are you ready ?

 

[azxd]

See to me this just sounds like "give up on people". And what else can you do after you've "prepared". You still have to live and work with the same people who's negligence in the field of liberty brought the whole thing down.

I'm not even saying the collapse isn't going to happen. My main original point was that we should act in manner that brings us towards the goal of liberty with or without a doomsday scenario and that is to work with and educate people in the ideas of freedom and non-violence, and I would add charity.

Pfft !!

If SHTF, all I see are targets and potential enemies ... Let them find their own Liberty, or not.

I'll not be carrying the water for those who created/supported the mess, but I will defend till my death, those who hold the principles of FREEDOM above the common good.

 

[BlackTerrel]

LOL

OK !!!
Are you ready ?

Were you ready for Y2K?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I could not have said it better myself.

Give up on people?

Well, yes, frankly, when those people that I am "giving up on" are the same people that would like to see me thrown in prison as an "enemy of the state".

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

The vast majority of those capable of 'waking up' have already woken. Most of the people in this movement took hold of freedom the instant Ron Paul offered it to them. Within 5 minutes of seeing my first Ron Paul video so many years ago, I was hooked. Similar stories can be found across these forums. It was like a flip of a switch.

I hate to break it to you, but the rest of the country isn't wired to want freedom. They just want to be fed & entertained, control other people's liberties at the expense of their own, and have most of their choices made for them. No amount of education can fix this.

The reason why the Republican Party and the MSM have been marginalizing Ron Paul and pulling out every trick in the book to fight him is not because they don't understand his policies. They know his policies inside out, but simply reject them. Ron Paul's policies of freedom, personal responsibility, and limited government are in direct opposition to their desires to control and be controlled.

They won't ever admit to their tyrannical nature, instead their tendencies manifest themselves as façades of one variety or the other. Those façades being the Republican party or the Democratic party. You see, despite their desire for tyranny, they like to believe they are free. They don't participate in either party from any ideological belief, but instead as a utility to pretend they are free and in control of their lives.

Of course they are not in control of their lives. They are not free. They like enslaving and being enslaved, but can never admit that, because it would force them to acknowledge the very dark realities of their inner nature. Instead they operate in a state of denial, which is why very few of their arguments are rational. When you force them to look at the truth, they get very defensive and if you continue to press, you find outright hostility. Which is what we've been seeing this entire campaign.

I'm sure this is not what you wanted to hear. I cannot convince you that this is true. I hope only to expose you to this idea so that you can come to your own conclusion based on your own experiences. Based on my own experiences I can say with absolute certainty that only a minority of this country wants freedom.

By extension, this country is not going to make progress towards liberty. This country is on a one-way street both to tyranny, and economic collapse. If we continue with our current strategy, we may take a few steps towards liberty. But for every step we take forward, the rest of the country will have taken us five steps backward.

It is no longer a matter of if a collapse is going to happen. The only question is when, and whether or not we as a movement are going down with them.

We have an obligation to give them freedom? I disagree with that strongly. Freedom cannot be given.



No, we don't have to live and work with the same people who brought us to this point. We can choose to continue to live and work with them, or we can choose to separate ourselves from them. The Free State Project is one such practical & realistic example.



Save the country or go down with it are not the only two options. It warms my heart that you want to give this country freedom, but they don't want it. Peaceful alternatives such as the FSP could realize our freedom in a matter of just a few years, if that.