watch democrats convert before your very eyes, inspiring!

I agree. I imagine the "perfect storm" in which Ron Paul comes in a suprising 3rd/2nd combo while Hillary runs over both states with very sizable margins. Obama is suddenly out of it, and Paul needs a bump. They get together and talk about it. I get the feeling that both would put the country ahead of party if they were able to talk together. Besides, the VP spot is a lock to step up in 8 years for Obama.

And honestly they do have things in common. Transparency and accountablility in government is a very key part of both of their strategies. Obama could get in, work hard, and make sure that his social programs that he wants are running efficently while Dr. Paul takes care of the foriegn policy mess.

There's nothing saying that a Republican and Democrat can't run together. In this particular year, it could help them both tremendously. Oh, and the "racist" label gets shot down pretty quick too, doesn't it? ;)

No, if Hillary stomps Obama, the campaign will not get too dirty. What would need to happen, is Obama would need to threaten Hillary, and then she would start to fight dirty. It would take some reeealll dirty fighting to make Obama defect... like impossibly dirty.

its a dream ticket that just would not happen.
 
No, if Hillary stomps Obama, the campaign will not get too dirty. What would need to happen, is Obama would need to threaten Hillary, and then she would start to fight dirty. It would take some reeealll dirty fighting to make Obama defect... like impossibly dirty.

its a dream ticket that just would not happen.

I dunno, I don't see it as a defection. He's got a chance to implement changes that he believes in, and it's a chance to prove to the American People that he can Reach Across The Isle And Work With The Other Side To Promote The Well Being Of The Country. (words capsed because that's how he would say it)

Besides, it's better to have a say in policy than to not, right? You'd have to be silly to turn down a position where you could Make A Difference.

I think he could spin it into a positive. Although honestly I think the race is going to be way too close for this to happen. He's going to give her a run (and hopefully win). Even if he loses out, it'd probably be too late to help Paul in the primaries where you could make a difference.
 
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You all make me want to french-kiss my computer screen!

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I shuddered when I heard that. And then I just stared in shock at the screen through the most awkward 17 hours of dead air time ever.
 
Converted Dem here, too, but unless there's a major shift in the mainstream Republican party's policy, it's likely only for a few Libertarian-leaning Republican ("Ron Paul Republicans" as they say nowadays) candidates.



Oh, and Obama would never be on RP's ticket if he won the Republican nomination, even if he won by a landslide. The RNC would never choose Obama, even if that's who Ron Paul said he wanted as his VP. Remember that ultimately it's the convention that decides (!) who is their nominee for both President and Vice President. It's just the tradition to give the nominee the VP he asks for.
 
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Converted Dem here, too, but unless there's a major shift in the mainstream Republican party's policy, it's likely only for a few Libertarian-leaning Republican ("Ron Paul Republicans" as they say nowadays) candidates.



Oh, and Obama would never be on RP's ticket if he won the Republican nomination, even if he won by a landslide. The RNC would never choose Obama, even if that's who Ron Paul said he wanted as his VP. Remember that ultimately it's the convention that decides (!) who is their nominee for both President and Vice President. It's just the tradition to give the nominee the VP he asks for.

Agree with that :)

And didn't know about the 2nd part. That's a shame.
 
I WAS a democrat, but really when i analyze my ideology, i've really always been a left-leaning libertarian. Environmental-Libertarian, if you will...
 
Could some converted Democrats enlighten me?

I've tried hard to understand how Democrats think. It seems they place little value on a person's wealth, or maybe a better term would be have little respect for a person's wealth. On one hand, they condemn the super-wealthy, and want government to redistribute wealth. But when it comes to becoming wealthy, there seems to be few ideas from the Democrats about how to promote prosperity among the poor. One solution is wealth distribution. Another is "jobs", but to have jobs, you need business owners.

It seems to me that Democrats simply don't take into consideration how the economy works. People need incentives, wealth doesn't happen by itself, it takes human action to create it. What does it take to convince a Democrat/liberal that a free market environment works better than a socialist economic environment?
 
I've tried hard to understand how Democrats think. It seems they place little value on a person's wealth, or maybe a better term would be have little respect for a person's wealth. On one hand, they condemn the super-wealthy, and want government to redistribute wealth. But when it comes to becoming wealthy, there seems to be few ideas from the Democrats about how to promote prosperity among the poor. One solution is wealth distribution. Another is "jobs", but to have jobs, you need business owners.

It seems to me that Democrats simply don't take into consideration how the economy works. People need incentives, wealth doesn't happen by itself, it takes human action to create it. What does it take to convince a Democrat/liberal that a free market environment works better than a socialist economic environment?

As one, you have to convince me that the government is so bad that I'll try anything once.

That's it.
 
I'd prefer hardcore Republicans convert, that is even more inspiring.

Good to see people jumping on board!
 
<--- converted nominal republican

Actually not a convert, have had the views that Dr. Paul espouses for at least 15 years, just never thought anyone like him would come along.
 
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