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By Bruce Fein - - Monday, December 22, 2014

Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, has delivered a knock out punch against Sen. Marco Rubio to normalization of relations with Cuba to benefit the United States. The punch was as decisive as Muhammad Ali’s knock out of George Foreman in the Rumble in the Jungle 40 years ago. Mr. Rubio’s presidential ambitions are over.
The Florida senator’s implacable hatred of Fidel Castro and Cuba’s Communist regime has driven him to anti-democratic tirades and to a policy of Cuban ostracism that sneers at Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. His child-like immaturity and conflicting loyalties between Cuba and the United States disqualify him for the White House.
Mr. Rubio is the son of Cuban immigrants who fled under the dictatorship of Fulgencia Batista. He has apparently forgotten that as a U.S. citizen and senator, his sole allegiance is to the U.S. Constitution and to the general welfare of the people of the United States. If there is a conflict between Mr. Rubio’s sympathies for the Cuban people and the best interests of the United States, he is required to abandon the former in favor of the latter.

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Gotta love Bruce! :D

Hard to believe he got this into the Times.

Gotta love the comments, too!

Make sure to reply to the positive comments - it tends to push them up. Don't waste your time on the negative ones.
 
Wow! Best passage IMO.

Mr. Rubio betrays his greater loyalty to the people of Cuba than to the people of the United States by his declination to sponsor legislation that would terminate normalized trade with Communist China to punish its Communist dictatorship and suppression of human rights and to benefit Chinese champions of democracy. In his calculus, the Chinese quest for democracy must bow to the economic and other interests of the United States, but Cuban hopes for democracy should take precedence over the interests of the American people.

I'd love to see Rand and Rubio go head to head on this in the debates. Come on Marco. Why trade with communist China but embargo communist Cuba?
 
He has apparently forgotten that as a U.S. citizen and senator, his sole allegiance is to the U.S. Constitution and to the general welfare of the people of the United States. If there is a conflict between Mr. Rubio’s sympathies for the Cuban people and the best interests of the United States, he is required to abandon the former in favor of the latter.

Sadly, that's not how any neo-Trots roll.

So, it should come as little surprise that Rubio is so content to ignore the American national interest in favor of the latest neocon cause du jour. Because neocons, regardless of their background, have limited allegiance to the national interest, they see the nation primarily as a means rather than an end.
 
look at this from the average Cubans perspective.

Wow! Best passage IMO.

Mr. Rubio betrays his greater loyalty to the people of Cuba than to the people of the United States by his declination to sponsor legislation that would terminate normalized trade with Communist China to punish its Communist dictatorship and suppression of human rights and to benefit Chinese champions of democracy. In his calculus, the Chinese quest for democracy must bow to the economic and other interests of the United States, but Cuban hopes for democracy should take precedence over the interests of the American people.

I'd love to see Rand and Rubio go head to head on this in the debates. Come on Marco. Why trade with communist China but embargo communist Cuba?

So why trade with China and not Cuba? Read the following article in the Wall street Journal. THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE IS CORRECT.
Why do I know that? I have been to Cuba 8 times for a total of 6 months of my life. Always staying with actual Cubans in their homes and since I speak fluent Spanish able to confirm what O’grady writes.
My beef with Rand is that his responses have not been well thought out. I think he is simply looking at these polls that say 80-90% of Americans favor opening up relations with Cuba and thus thinks he picks up support by SUPPORTING OBAMA. I also favor opening up relations. However I agree fully with Rubio that Obama negotiated stupidly like he has so many times and has received nothing in exchange. Do not believe anything will change for the average Cuban. The money always ends up with the Castro’s and just funds more repression. Raul Castro just stated Saturday that things will not change in Cuba. Communism is their direction and will remain so. Which includes the repression the average Cuban experiences. This has been going on for decades and will not change.
I hope all of us can develop an understanding of what life is like in Cuba and not simply latch on to the nice sounding Open up relations theme (or these stupid comments about great..now I can buy a Cuban cigar) . I think Rand has hurt himself in the party not just with his tweets against Rubio but with what will be ultimately be proven as no significant change in freedom and liberty for Cubans. There will be no change and in debates in one year before the Iowa caucuses I think Rand will be the one bearing the brunt of criticism by all the other Republican candidates since Rand will have no positive examples of how this policy has changed one Iota freedom and liberty for Cubans.
Is that not what we all support? Freedom and Liberty no matter where it is?
Read on.

By
MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY
Dec. 21, 2014 6:46 p.m. ET
220 COMMENTS
On a trip to Havana in the late 1990s, I toured the restoration of a 17th century convent with a Cuban architect. He told me the project was having trouble getting replacement floor tiles because of the U.S. embargo. I smiled and told him there was no blockade of the island and that the tiles could be sourced in Mexico. He grinned back at me.
“Well, OK,” he said. “The real problem is that we don’t have any money to buy them.”
Cubans are programmed from an early age to complain to anyone who will listen that “el bloqueo” is the cause of the island’s dire poverty. They know it’s a lie. But obediently repeating it is a survival skill. It raises the odds that the demented dictator won’t suspect you of having counterrevolutionary thoughts, boot you from your job, kick your children out of school and haul you off to jail.
President Obama appeared to be trying to prove his own revolutionary bona fides when he announced on Wednesday new diplomatic relations with the military dictatorship and plans to make it easier for Americans to travel to the island and engage in commerce with Cubans. He repeatedly linked the isolation of the Cuban people to U.S. policy, as the regime teaches Cuban children to do. He complained that the embargo strives to keep “Cuba closed off from an interconnected world.” In a reference to the limited access that Cubans have to telecommunications, he said “our sanctions on Cuba have denied Cubans access to technology that has empowered individuals around the globe.”
Even the humblest Cuban peasant would split his sides laughing if he heard those statements, which none did because they do not have access to anything other than Cuban state television—speaking of isolation. Cubans know that the island is not isolated from foreigners. According to Cuban statistics in 2013 there were 2.85 million visitors to the island of 11 million inhabitants. These included European, Chinese, Latin American, Canadian and American tourists and investors. In the first six months of this year, according to The Havana Consulting Group, there were 327,000 visitors to Cuba from the U.S.
The isolation (news flash Rand Paul ) is caused by the police state, which controls and surveils foreigners’ movements, herding most visitors into resort enclaves. Foreign journalists who vocally oppose the Communist Party line are not allowed into the country.
More visitors won’t do anything to reduce Cuban poverty. The regime pockets the hard currency that they leave behind and pays workers in worthless pesos. Foreigners who decide to reward good workers without state approval can face prison.
It’s true that the Cuban people lack access to technology, but Mr. Obama’s suggestion that it is because of the embargo is a howler.Carlos Slim , the Mexican telecom monopolist and global player;Telefónica , the Spanish broadband and telecommunications provider; Vietnam’s Natcom; Ireland’s Digicel and countless other companies can do business on the island. But they can’t provide Internet access in homes because the state prohibits it.
U.S. telecom companies are lobbying Washington to be able to do business with the dictator. So to peddle the idea to the rest of us, Mr. Obama claims that this small, backward Caribbean country is a huge untapped export market. Question: How come the likes of Mexico and Spain haven’t flooded the virgin paradise for capitalists and turbocharged the Cuban middle class? Maybe because a couple of hoodlums have rigged the game. They decide who and what enters the country, treat Cubans like slaves, and arbitrarily jail foreign entrepreneurs and take property when it suits them.
Some delusional pro-market pundits think the anti-market Mr. Obama is suddenly pushing their ideas in Cuba. Mr. Obama wants us to believe that when Americans do business in Cuba, Cubans will be empowered. Funny that he didn’t feel that way about helping democratic Colombia when its U.S. free-trade agreement was up for ratification. Back then the White House was fretting about Colombian workers’ rights. Now, well, never mind.
The Castros are in full-blown panic mode because Venezuela, which has been their financial lifeline for 15 years, is broke. The last time things were this bad, when Soviet subsidies dried up in the early 1990s and the regime ran out of money, Castro introduced the “special period.”
Cubans were permitted to run restaurants in their homes, operate taxis and provide other services to foreigners and locals. As entrepreneurship blossomed, the state began to lose the absolute control it had relied on since 1959. Fidel clamped down as soon as Cuba stabilized.
Now the gangsters are again on the ropes. If they can up the number of U.S. travelers to the island and later wrangle multilateral funding now blocked by the U.S., they might squeeze by. But if not, the dictatorship is likely to come unglued, which raises the question of just who Mr. Obama is trying to help by stepping in now.
Write to O’[email protected]
 
Really?! 50 years and we're supposed to believe that we finally have the gangsters on the ropes? The policy is finally paying dividends?

Don't allow freedom to trade now... We almost have freedom? What a bunch of...
 
My beef with Rand is that his responses have not been well thought out. I think he is simply looking at these polls that say 80-90% of Americans favor opening up relations with Cuba and thus thinks he picks up support by SUPPORTING OBAMA. I also favor opening up relations. However I agree fully with Rubio that Obama negotiated stupidly like he has so many times and has received nothing in exchange. Do not believe anything will change for the average Cuban. The money always ends up with the Castro’s and just funds more repression. Raul Castro just stated Saturday that things will not change in Cuba. Communism is their direction and will remain so. Which includes the repression the average Cuban experiences. This has been going on for decades and will not change.
I hope all of us can develop an understanding of what life is like in Cuba and not simply latch on to the nice sounding Open up relations theme (or these stupid comments about great..now I can buy a Cuban cigar) . I think Rand has hurt himself in the party not just with his tweets against Rubio but with what will be ultimately be proven as no significant change in freedom and liberty for Cubans.

How the hell would Castro maintain a regime in the face of 20 million tourists a year and half a trillion in private investment? You can't out propaganda that many one on one conversations. You can't clamp down on the internet that tourists would expect access to.

Dictators are just too greedy to give up on that, and will lose because of it.
 
:rolleyes: An article telling me how bad Cuba is does nothing to answer the question "Then why trade with China?" Or have you forgotten?

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Sorry but the claim that China is somehow better than Cuba is beyond laughable. Forced abortions anyone?



So why trade with China and not Cuba? Read the following article in the Wall street Journal. THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE IS CORRECT.
Why do I know that? I have been to Cuba 8 times for a total of 6 months of my life. Always staying with actual Cubans in their homes and since I speak fluent Spanish able to confirm what O’grady writes.
My beef with Rand is that his responses have not been well thought out. I think he is simply looking at these polls that say 80-90% of Americans favor opening up relations with Cuba and thus thinks he picks up support by SUPPORTING OBAMA. I also favor opening up relations. However I agree fully with Rubio that Obama negotiated stupidly like he has so many times and has received nothing in exchange. Do not believe anything will change for the average Cuban. The money always ends up with the Castro’s and just funds more repression. Raul Castro just stated Saturday that things will not change in Cuba. Communism is their direction and will remain so. Which includes the repression the average Cuban experiences. This has been going on for decades and will not change.
I hope all of us can develop an understanding of what life is like in Cuba and not simply latch on to the nice sounding Open up relations theme (or these stupid comments about great..now I can buy a Cuban cigar) . I think Rand has hurt himself in the party not just with his tweets against Rubio but with what will be ultimately be proven as no significant change in freedom and liberty for Cubans. There will be no change and in debates in one year before the Iowa caucuses I think Rand will be the one bearing the brunt of criticism by all the other Republican candidates since Rand will have no positive examples of how this policy has changed one Iota freedom and liberty for Cubans.
Is that not what we all support? Freedom and Liberty no matter where it is?
Read on.

By
MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY
Dec. 21, 2014 6:46 p.m. ET
220 COMMENTS
On a trip to Havana in the late 1990s, I toured the restoration of a 17th century convent with a Cuban architect. He told me the project was having trouble getting replacement floor tiles because of the U.S. embargo. I smiled and told him there was no blockade of the island and that the tiles could be sourced in Mexico. He grinned back at me.
“Well, OK,” he said. “The real problem is that we don’t have any money to buy them.”
Cubans are programmed from an early age to complain to anyone who will listen that “el bloqueo” is the cause of the island’s dire poverty. They know it’s a lie. But obediently repeating it is a survival skill. It raises the odds that the demented dictator won’t suspect you of having counterrevolutionary thoughts, boot you from your job, kick your children out of school and haul you off to jail.
President Obama appeared to be trying to prove his own revolutionary bona fides when he announced on Wednesday new diplomatic relations with the military dictatorship and plans to make it easier for Americans to travel to the island and engage in commerce with Cubans. He repeatedly linked the isolation of the Cuban people to U.S. policy, as the regime teaches Cuban children to do. He complained that the embargo strives to keep “Cuba closed off from an interconnected world.” In a reference to the limited access that Cubans have to telecommunications, he said “our sanctions on Cuba have denied Cubans access to technology that has empowered individuals around the globe.”
Even the humblest Cuban peasant would split his sides laughing if he heard those statements, which none did because they do not have access to anything other than Cuban state television—speaking of isolation. Cubans know that the island is not isolated from foreigners. According to Cuban statistics in 2013 there were 2.85 million visitors to the island of 11 million inhabitants. These included European, Chinese, Latin American, Canadian and American tourists and investors. In the first six months of this year, according to The Havana Consulting Group, there were 327,000 visitors to Cuba from the U.S.
The isolation (news flash Rand Paul ) is caused by the police state, which controls and surveils foreigners’ movements, herding most visitors into resort enclaves. Foreign journalists who vocally oppose the Communist Party line are not allowed into the country.
More visitors won’t do anything to reduce Cuban poverty. The regime pockets the hard currency that they leave behind and pays workers in worthless pesos. Foreigners who decide to reward good workers without state approval can face prison.
It’s true that the Cuban people lack access to technology, but Mr. Obama’s suggestion that it is because of the embargo is a howler.Carlos Slim , the Mexican telecom monopolist and global player;Telefónica , the Spanish broadband and telecommunications provider; Vietnam’s Natcom; Ireland’s Digicel and countless other companies can do business on the island. But they can’t provide Internet access in homes because the state prohibits it.
U.S. telecom companies are lobbying Washington to be able to do business with the dictator. So to peddle the idea to the rest of us, Mr. Obama claims that this small, backward Caribbean country is a huge untapped export market. Question: How come the likes of Mexico and Spain haven’t flooded the virgin paradise for capitalists and turbocharged the Cuban middle class? Maybe because a couple of hoodlums have rigged the game. They decide who and what enters the country, treat Cubans like slaves, and arbitrarily jail foreign entrepreneurs and take property when it suits them.
Some delusional pro-market pundits think the anti-market Mr. Obama is suddenly pushing their ideas in Cuba. Mr. Obama wants us to believe that when Americans do business in Cuba, Cubans will be empowered. Funny that he didn’t feel that way about helping democratic Colombia when its U.S. free-trade agreement was up for ratification. Back then the White House was fretting about Colombian workers’ rights. Now, well, never mind.
The Castros are in full-blown panic mode because Venezuela, which has been their financial lifeline for 15 years, is broke. The last time things were this bad, when Soviet subsidies dried up in the early 1990s and the regime ran out of money, Castro introduced the “special period.”
Cubans were permitted to run restaurants in their homes, operate taxis and provide other services to foreigners and locals. As entrepreneurship blossomed, the state began to lose the absolute control it had relied on since 1959. Fidel clamped down as soon as Cuba stabilized.
Now the gangsters are again on the ropes. If they can up the number of U.S. travelers to the island and later wrangle multilateral funding now blocked by the U.S., they might squeeze by. But if not, the dictatorship is likely to come unglued, which raises the question of just who Mr. Obama is trying to help by stepping in now.
Write to O’[email protected]
 
So why trade with China and not Cuba? Read the following article in the Wall street Journal. THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE IS CORRECT.
Why do I know that? I have been to Cuba 8 times for a total of 6 months of my life. Always staying with actual Cubans in their homes and since I speak fluent Spanish able to confirm what O’grady writes.
My beef with Rand is that his responses have not been well thought out. I think he is simply looking at these polls that say 80-90% of Americans favor opening up relations with Cuba and thus thinks he picks up support by SUPPORTING OBAMA. I also favor opening up relations. However I agree fully with Rubio that Obama negotiated stupidly like he has so many times and has received nothing in exchange. Do not believe anything will change for the average Cuban. The money always ends up with the Castro’s and just funds more repression. Raul Castro just stated Saturday that things will not change in Cuba. Communism is their direction and will remain so. Which includes the repression the average Cuban experiences. This has been going on for decades and will not change.
I hope all of us can develop an understanding of what life is like in Cuba and not simply latch on to the nice sounding Open up relations theme (or these stupid comments about great..now I can buy a Cuban cigar) . I think Rand has hurt himself in the party not just with his tweets against Rubio but with what will be ultimately be proven as no significant change in freedom and liberty for Cubans. There will be no change and in debates in one year before the Iowa caucuses I think Rand will be the one bearing the brunt of criticism by all the other Republican candidates since Rand will have no positive examples of how this policy has changed one Iota freedom and liberty for Cubans.
Is that not what we all support? Freedom and Liberty no matter where it is?
Read on.

By
MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY
Dec. 21, 2014 6:46 p.m. ET
220 COMMENTS
On a trip to Havana in the late 1990s, I toured the restoration of a 17th century convent with a Cuban architect. He told me the project was having trouble getting replacement floor tiles because of the U.S. embargo. I smiled and told him there was no blockade of the island and that the tiles could be sourced in Mexico. He grinned back at me.
“Well, OK,” he said. “The real problem is that we don’t have any money to buy them.”
Cubans are programmed from an early age to complain to anyone who will listen that “el bloqueo” is the cause of the island’s dire poverty. They know it’s a lie. But obediently repeating it is a survival skill. It raises the odds that the demented dictator won’t suspect you of having counterrevolutionary thoughts, boot you from your job, kick your children out of school and haul you off to jail.
President Obama appeared to be trying to prove his own revolutionary bona fides when he announced on Wednesday new diplomatic relations with the military dictatorship and plans to make it easier for Americans to travel to the island and engage in commerce with Cubans. He repeatedly linked the isolation of the Cuban people to U.S. policy, as the regime teaches Cuban children to do. He complained that the embargo strives to keep “Cuba closed off from an interconnected world.” In a reference to the limited access that Cubans have to telecommunications, he said “our sanctions on Cuba have denied Cubans access to technology that has empowered individuals around the globe.”
Even the humblest Cuban peasant would split his sides laughing if he heard those statements, which none did because they do not have access to anything other than Cuban state television—speaking of isolation. Cubans know that the island is not isolated from foreigners. According to Cuban statistics in 2013 there were 2.85 million visitors to the island of 11 million inhabitants. These included European, Chinese, Latin American, Canadian and American tourists and investors. In the first six months of this year, according to The Havana Consulting Group, there were 327,000 visitors to Cuba from the U.S.
The isolation (news flash Rand Paul ) is caused by the police state, which controls and surveils foreigners’ movements, herding most visitors into resort enclaves. Foreign journalists who vocally oppose the Communist Party line are not allowed into the country.
More visitors won’t do anything to reduce Cuban poverty. The regime pockets the hard currency that they leave behind and pays workers in worthless pesos. Foreigners who decide to reward good workers without state approval can face prison.
It’s true that the Cuban people lack access to technology, but Mr. Obama’s suggestion that it is because of the embargo is a howler.Carlos Slim , the Mexican telecom monopolist and global player;Telefónica , the Spanish broadband and telecommunications provider; Vietnam’s Natcom; Ireland’s Digicel and countless other companies can do business on the island. But they can’t provide Internet access in homes because the state prohibits it.
U.S. telecom companies are lobbying Washington to be able to do business with the dictator. So to peddle the idea to the rest of us, Mr. Obama claims that this small, backward Caribbean country is a huge untapped export market. Question: How come the likes of Mexico and Spain haven’t flooded the virgin paradise for capitalists and turbocharged the Cuban middle class? Maybe because a couple of hoodlums have rigged the game. They decide who and what enters the country, treat Cubans like slaves, and arbitrarily jail foreign entrepreneurs and take property when it suits them.
Some delusional pro-market pundits think the anti-market Mr. Obama is suddenly pushing their ideas in Cuba. Mr. Obama wants us to believe that when Americans do business in Cuba, Cubans will be empowered. Funny that he didn’t feel that way about helping democratic Colombia when its U.S. free-trade agreement was up for ratification. Back then the White House was fretting about Colombian workers’ rights. Now, well, never mind.
The Castros are in full-blown panic mode because Venezuela, which has been their financial lifeline for 15 years, is broke. The last time things were this bad, when Soviet subsidies dried up in the early 1990s and the regime ran out of money, Castro introduced the “special period.”
Cubans were permitted to run restaurants in their homes, operate taxis and provide other services to foreigners and locals. As entrepreneurship blossomed, the state began to lose the absolute control it had relied on since 1959. Fidel clamped down as soon as Cuba stabilized.
Now the gangsters are again on the ropes. If they can up the number of U.S. travelers to the island and later wrangle multilateral funding now blocked by the U.S., they might squeeze by. But if not, the dictatorship is likely to come unglued, which raises the question of just who Mr. Obama is trying to help by stepping in now.
Write to O’[email protected]

What bunch of B.S. Once we have freedom and liberty here in the U.S. You and Rubio can fight for freedom in Cuba. Hell, if you care about the Cubans freedom and liberty so much, pack up your shit, buy a guy, rent a boat and go fight for revolution. Until then, stfu. I want me some cuban cigars at a reasonable price. Cry me a fking river as if you really cared about Cuban Freedom and Liberty. You just like to wag your finger and say no.
 
How the hell would Castro maintain a regime in the face of 20 million tourists a year and half a trillion in private investment? You can't out propaganda that many one on one conversations. You can't clamp down on the internet that tourists would expect access to.

Dictators are just too greedy to give up on that, and will lose because of it.

^This. The pro embargo crowd is driven more by emotion than anything else. For crying out loud, my dad was a Vietnam war vet and we trade with Vietnam!
 
How the hell would Castro maintain a regime in the face of 20 million tourists a year and half a trillion in private investment? You can't out propaganda that many one on one conversations. You can't clamp down on the internet that tourists would expect access to.

Dictators are just too greedy to give up on that, and will lose because of it.

try 2.5 million visitors and much less investment. Once again you need to go there and see it for yourself. And no matter how many one on one conversations there is a spy next door to turn you in you will be locked up quick. Propaganda is not the issue. It is being BEATEN THE Fxxk UP AND THROWN IN JAIL.

the tourists stay in separate for the most part areas and like you NO HABLA ESPANOL

This is my point learn what the hell is happening before you get all leftist Obama on us.

man this is for liberty here?
 
try 2.5 million visitors and much less investment. Once again you need to go there and see it for yourself. And no matter how many one on one conversations there is a spy next door to turn you in you will be locked up quick. Propaganda is not the issue. It is being BEATEN THE Fxxk UP AND THROWN IN JAIL.

the tourists stay in separate for the most part areas and like you NO HABLA ESPANOL

This is my point learn what the hell is happening before you get all leftist Obama on us.

man this is for liberty here?

Have you been to China?

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It's odd that I have to post video of Ron Paul before Obama made this announcement just to prove that supporting the end of Cuban embargo is not "leftist."

 
What bunch of B.S. Once we have freedom and liberty here in the U.S. You and Rubio can fight for freedom in Cuba. Hell, if you care about the Cubans freedom and liberty so much, pack up your shit, buy a guy, rent a boat and go fight for revolution. Until then, stfu. I want me some cuban cigars at a reasonable price. Cry me a fking river as if you really cared about Cuban Freedom and Liberty. You just like to wag your finger and say no.

It is idiots like you that will bring this whole liberty movement down. I am a long term supporter of the Paul’s. Go look at my first post before the Iowa caucuses in Dec. of 2007. I simply point out based on my experience that I am suggesting that I think Rand is wrong on this issue and believe he will be hurt by it. Rubio understands it.

And by the way I left the USA cesspool 20 years ago. I really have no reason to have had spent thousands of dollars on donations and my time on supporting the revolution for liberty. Listening to fools like you with your desire for Cuban Cigars claiming to understand Cuba?
Just saved me a lot of money and time.
 
It's odd that I have to post video of Ron Paul before Obama made this announcement just to prove that supporting the end of Cuban embargo is not "leftist."



Hell that video is from 2012.
Here is our main man in 2008:
MODERATOR: It's the presidential forum, the Republican one. We're going to talk about something else. Now we're going to talk about Latin America. A week ago, exactly a week ago, Venezuela rejected changes to the constitution, but the president, Hugo Chavez...
(APPLAUSE)
President Hugo Chavez has insisted that he's going to propose them again. Many consider him a threat to democracy in the region.

If you were elected president, how would you deal with Chavez? Let's start with Congressman John Paul -- Ron Paul, sorry.

PAUL: Well, he's not the easiest person to deal with, but we should deal with everybody around the world the same way: with friendship and opportunity to talk and try to trade with people.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)

PAUL: We talked to -- we talked to Stalin, we talked to Khrushchev, we've talked to Mao, and we've talked to the world, and we get along with people.

PAUL: Actually, I believe we're at a time where we even ought to talk to Cuba and trade and travel to Cuba.

He wasn't even asked about Cuba and still went into the Univision debate in Miami of all places and said we should talk, trade and travel to Cuba.
 
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