Was the shooter mentally ill?

[CaptLouAlbano]

I beg to differ. I think you're wrong about the quality of care the mental patients got.

My great-grandfather was a schizophrenic. Bear in mind I'm almost 50, so I'm going back to the 40's. He married, had 4 kids, then suffered a break. My great-grandmother went to work in the Depot, making munitions to support the war effort as well as her family, since her husband was a crazy man. He was locked up, and stayed there for 10 years. One day he got tired of being there, so he left. Nobody stopped him, and nobody came looking for him. He came home, and fathered 5 more children. My G-Grandmother didn't try to have him sent back because the conditions there were absolutely horriffic. Rats, bedsores, ceiling leaks, - the tales she told us when we were kids didn't really sink in at the time, but I remember them quite clearly.

Then his disease got bad again, and the police locked him up again in the '70's, which is where he was when he died.

Oh I am aware there were some horrible places - and there still are. But on the same note, there were some really nice places too. I referenced the one my family member was in, was a really nice place.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Yeah, but up until today this guy was presumably not a murderer. And we don't really know what severity of issue he was diagnosed to have.

Right, it's all just speculation really. I'm more concerned about the root cause in general for these types of things. We just didn't have this happen to this degree many years back. Seems to be happening a lot more now, and I'd like to know why

 

[FindLiberty]

.... You're not from Philly are you? If yes you might just be my cousin lol

...and it might have been something in that water supply. Maybe not everyone is affected by it, and it hit some harder than others.

 

[FindLiberty]

Maybe the action that needs to taken ASAP is an examination of all those psychotropic prescription drug treatments and their potential horrible side effects.

 

[Liberty74]

I don't know. Perhaps. Probably. The shooter was evil, and we live in a totally a-moral society. The main factor in all of these shootings is pure evil, thanks in large part to generation after generation of moral relativism vis-a-vis left-wing social engineering.

I would go a bit further and that is the destruction of private property rights by the LEFT which includes "individuals" as human beings (you have a right to your life and body, hence property). If one truly respects such philosophy, no way in the world would a person commit such event today assuming they are sane or assuming this wasn't government staged using some crazy, drugged up person to continue to push a LEFTIST agenda which is exactly what is occurring and many of us conspiracy people have warned would happen.

Always wonder why these events always happen at places that have banned guns - Malls? Schools? Movies?

 

[parocks]

Maybe the action that needs to taken ASAP is an examination of all those psychotropic prescription drug treatments and their potential horrible side effects.

this one. guns have been around a while, these drugs haven't

 

[presence]

Always wonder why these events always happen at places that have banned guns - Malls? Schools? Movies?

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence.
They deserve a place of honour with all that's good.
When firearms go, all goes.
We need them every hour.

George Washington

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ntary-school&p=4775971&viewfull=1#post4775971

 

[Brian4Liberty]

But that's the thing. He already killed his mom elsewhere, right? And then he went to the school to kill the kids. It doesn't look like they were collateral damage, it looks like they were his target, which amazes me if it's true.

There was a kid that hacked his mom up with a hammer. He did it because he was going to commit suicide, and didn't want to put his Mom through that...

 

[Tod]

Awfully convenient to have a bunch of grade-schoolers killed just as one is gearing up to restrict firearms. Kinda sets the stage, so to speak, and gets people talking about the "need" for something to be done.

 

[Schifference]

Maybe the kid really loved the Dad and felt that the post divorce financial arrangements were unfair and figured out a way to nullify the settlement.

 

[Todd]

Awfully convenient to have a bunch of grade-schoolers killed just as one is gearing up to restrict firearms. Kinda sets the stage, so to speak, and gets people talking about the "need" for something to be done.

And the last couple of instances from Cho at Virginia Tech to the Batman Movie massacre, have all involved people with "mental issues".


Some day we may all be diagnosed with some mental issue, and not be allowed to carry firearms.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

And the last couple of instances from Cho at Virginia Tech to the Batman Movie massacre, have all involved people with "mental issues".


Some day we may all be diagnosed with some mental issue, and not be allowed to carry firearms.

Well of course these people have mental issues. A rational and sane person does not go into a movie theater or a school and open fire on a bunch of people. I personally am curious to find out how many psych meds all these guys (along with a lot of other random criminals) are taking.

The one common thread though between the schools, the mall, the Sikh temple and the movie theater - all of the places were "gun free zones". Of particular interest is the shooting in the movie theater. From what I heard last night on the radio, the shooter had 7 movie theaters to choose from, some were larger, others were closer to home. The one he chose to target was the only one of the seven that publicized itself as being a "gun free zone".

The anti-gun folks are having a field day with this CT incident, since everyone feels for the families and recognizes it as a tragedy. We need to be smart in the way we counter their attacks on the 2nd. Instead of trotting out our usual info on gun laws vs gun crimes - I think in this case we should turn the tables on them and blame the gun free zone law for creating a situation where the teachers and students of the school were sitting ducks.

 

[Working Poor]

The same thing that makes an LSD user think they can fly.

Wrong...

 

[truelies]

The real question is- Was this person another mind controlled robot sent out to keep the sheeple trembling & in their place?

 

[Natural Citizen]

The anti-gun folks are having a field day with this CT incident, since everyone feels for the families and recognizes it as a tragedy. We need to be smart in the way we counter their attacks on the 2nd. Instead of trotting out our usual info on gun laws vs gun crimes - I think in this case we should turn the tables on them and blame the gun free zone law for creating a situation where the teachers and students of the school were sitting ducks.

There is a clear and decisive means of going about it. I'm curious to see what that route is from the minds of the grassroots. Not a good time to be content with short sighted actions and theory regarding the means. Theoretically yuns shot yourselves in the foot with the prop 37 shenanigans but hypocrisy could be the revelation needed to maybe wake some people up. There is only a small window of opportunity, really. Of course, folks are going to be bombarded with anti 2nd amendment spew but those terms of controversy can only exist if you let them. And if you do then they will inflate.

All of these people who committed these crimes were under psychiatric care and medicated. All of them. So...think about that. Rand had a pretty good amendment earlier this year regarding the fda and one that would actually serve to maybe present opportunity to give big pharma a once over as far as where much blame may reside in some of these mindsets. Some other stuff as well. But, yes. I agree. Terms of controversy need shifting. And it's not difficult to do. Just cannot become engulfed in the spew that will come from anti 2nd brood. If you do then they win.

 

[truelies]

......................... A rational and sane person does not go into a movie theater or a school and open fire on a bunch of people. ................

Of course he/she does when on a Mission for the State and the Rules of Engagement allow.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

There is a clear and decisive means of going about it. I'm curious to see what that route is from the minds of the grassroots. Not a good time to be content with short sighted actions and theory regarding the means. Theoretically yuns shot yourselves in the foot with the prop 37 shenanigans but hypocrisy could be the revelation needed to maybe wake some people up. There is only a small window of opportunity, really. Of course, folks are going to be bombarded with anti 2nd amendment spew but those terms of controversy can only exist if you let them. And if you do then they will inflate.

All of these people who committed these crimes were under psychiatric care and medicated. All of them. So...think about that. Rand had a pretty good amendment earlier this year regarding the fda and one that would actually serve to maybe present opportunity to give big pharma a once over as far as where much blame may reside in some of these mindsets. Some other stuff as well. But, yes. I agree. Terms of controversy need shifting. And it's not difficult to do. Just cannot become engulfed in the spew that will come from anti 2nd brood. If you do then they win.

I agree. We cannot take the same approach we have for years, i.e. "gun laws do not stop gun violence". It's been played over and over, and depending on who computes the figures they can be spun however you wish. I saw one stat about handgun violence in the home, but it neglected to exclude suicides - so the stat made it look like people all across the country are firing off handguns in the home like they were cap guns.

Anyway, I think we need to show the commonality with all these shootings - psych meds which contribute to the shooters actions; and "anti-gun zones" which make citizens sitting ducks.

 

[kathy88]

The same thing that makes an LSD user think they can fly.

i ate acid like candy for ten years and never once thought I could fly.

 

[Petar]

i ate acid like candy for ten years and never once thought I could fly.

Haha, did not expect that from you..

 

[pcosmar]

The same thing that makes an LSD user think they can fly.

You mean like Frank Olson?

Isn't propaganda interesting?

The whole "thought he could fly" was a cover story,, to cover up his murder. And yet persists to this day.

A cover story,, to hide facts about MK Ultra.
A program that used drugs and other techniques to turn ordinary people into killers.

It is interesting..No?