Was the shooter mentally ill?

[Aratus]

we've seen autism, aspergers and anxiety disorders being looked at, and even if he's schizophrenic.
evidently in NJ the older 24 year old brother and his roomate were asked questions by the authorities
when the mass media was handed the brother's name. there have been speculative stories about this.

 

[Schifference]

Keep in mind that a lot of these hospitals were founded during the time of the founders. So I wouldn't call them anti-liberty. It wasn't the gov't committing people, it was in large part at the request of their families who cared enough about their well being to ensure they had the proper care that was needed for them. There certainly were some problems with them, but like anything aspect of our society there are good and bad results from every solution.

Remember Frances Farmer?

 

[erowe1]

Are either mental illnesses or drugs enough to explain this?

What makes someone kill kindergartners?

 

[James Madison]

anxiety attacks or was he a paranoid schizoid personality who'd act out?

If it is confirmed he suffers from AS, then I would give the probability he was on an SSRI >80%. Depression coupled with seratonin poisoning could take someone who's mentally unstable and turn them into a delusional psychotic.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Pretty soon we will all be locked up, tamed, controlled, subdued, compliant.

Don't be silly. It's talk like that which allows our opponents to label us as nutjobs.

The fact of the matter though, is we used to have places for mentally ill people to live out their lives getting the help they need, the meds they needed and at the same time keep them separated from society. This really was only a generation or so ago, and again this was not gov't committal, but family. But due to liberalism, many of the people who in years past would be kept safely from society are hopped up on multiple psych drugs and committing crimes.

 

[James Madison]

Are either mental illnesses or drugs enough to explain this?

What makes someone kill kindergartners?

The same thing that makes an LSD user think they can fly.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Remember Frances Farmer?

Vaguely, but yes.

 

[phill4paul]

The same thing that makes an LSD user think they can fly.

You mean like Frank Olson?

 

[Aratus]

the movie actress of the 1940s

 

[Aratus]

the cia guy in 1953

 

[erowe1]

The same thing that makes an LSD user think they can fly.

But does that kind of being out of one's mind fit this story? The shooter prepared for this by arming himself and donning gear. He supposedly targeted, not just some random people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but students at the school where his mom taught, after having already traveled to two other places to kill his parents. And then, after killing not one, but a bunch of kindergartners, he killed himself.

There have been bunches of mass shootings over the years. And they're always senseless. But I don't recall one this senseless.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

the movie actress of the 1940s

Right. There was always some questions as to whether or not what happened to her was true and how much was sensationalized. There were some bad hospitals for sure, but not all places were bad. The one my relative was in was very nice. It was private/charity/self funded. The patients there made some sort of craft that was sold to the public - can't recall what it was though, it's been about 50 years or so and I am relying on my wife's memory here.

 

[tttppp]

I bet you he was on some powerful, prescription drugs.

Anyone know any details yet?

Accordining to psychiatrists everyone is mentally ill, even healthy people. So of course this guy is mentally ill. I don't have the stats, but Ill bet behavior like this is more common from a bad reaction to drugs than it would be not being on enough drugs.

 

[James Madison]

But does that kind of being out of one's mind fit this story? The shooter prepared for this by arming himself and donning gear. He supposedly targeted, not just some random people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but students at the school where his mom taught, after having already traveled to two other places to kill his parents. And then, after killing not one, but a bunch of kindergartners, he killed himself.

There have been bunches of mass shootings over the years. And they're always senseless. But I don't recall one this senseless.

Being delusional doesn't necessitate a complete loss of reality. Basic preparation would likely still be possible, but I do have to agree that this case is very odd. This type of behavior simply doesn't exist in nature and yet it's staring us right in the face.

 

[itshappening]

But does that kind of being out of one's mind fit this story? The shooter prepared for this by arming himself and donning gear. He supposedly targeted, not just some random people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but students at the school where his mom taught, after having already traveled to two other places to kill his parents. And then, after killing not one, but a bunch of kindergartners, he killed himself.

There have been bunches of mass shootings over the years. And they're always senseless. But I don't recall one this senseless.

he was young, mentally unstable, on some powerful drugs, clear lack of economic opportunities, probably depressed young man with life going no where. Maybe he hates his mom and is seething with resentment, emotions that are magnified by whatever drugs he's on. He see's no hope or way out so does something crazy like this.

 

[itshappening]

He probably planned this for some time... 'how do I go down in flames? (evil, deranged laugh). He hates his parents, he hates society and the Fed created depression and it's all magnified by whatever he's been given.. this is just his way of going down in flames.

 

[erowe1]

he was young, mentally unstable, on some powerful drugs, clear lack of economic opportunities, probably depressed young man with life going no where. Maybe he hates his mom and is seething with resentment, emotions that are magnified by whatever drugs he's on. He see's no hope or way out so does something crazy like this.

I can connect the dots from that to killing parents, strangers, and oneself. I have more trouble fitting going to an elementary school and apparently specifically targeting bunches of kindergartners in that.

 

[itshappening]

I can connect the dots from that to killing parents, strangers, and oneself. I have more trouble fitting going to an elementary school and apparently specifically targeting bunches of kindergartners in that.

I agree it's horrible but this is a pre-planned deranged killing spree, no one is spared under those circumstances. The kids are collateral damage. He kills his mom and is now in full on kill mode, turns the gun on the class.

 

[erowe1]

The kids are collateral damage.

But that's the thing. He already killed his mom elsewhere, right? And then he went to the school to kill the kids. It doesn't look like they were collateral damage, it looks like they were his target, which amazes me if it's true.

 

[awake]

When some one comes across his mental history please post it here...