Patriot123
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1) I never knew that the word, "Providence" was strictly meant for the Christian religion...That is only partially true. The word Providence is used repeatedly in the DOI. The fact that the words are not in the documents does not disqualify the evidence that our founders used Christian principles as a basis for the foundation of our republic.
Uh….hello to you? Christianity was born out of the Jewish religion. Christ was a practicing Jew, a Rabbi, his followers were Jews. The Old Testament comes directly from the Torah.
LOL! http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html The evidence is in this link as to what religion our founders were. Perhaps your problem is with my sources. If you want your argument to have any standing with anyone reading it, then you will need to discredit my sources as you will now discover I have done with yours as well as your baseless argument.
Paine’s, Age of Reason, infuriated many of the Founding Fathers. John Adams wrote, “The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard [scoundrel, rogue] Paine say what he will.”
Samuel Adams wrote Paine a stiff rebuke, telling him, “[W]hen I heard you had turned your mind to a defense of infidelity, I felt myself much astonished and more grieved that you had attempted a measure so injurious to the feelings and so repugnant to the true interest of so great a part of the citizens of the United States.”
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration, wrote to his friend and signer of the Constitution John Dickinson that Paine's Age of Reason was “absurd and impious”;
Charles Carroll, a signer of the Declaration, described Paine's work as “blasphemous writings against the Christian religion”;
John Witherspoon said that Paine was “ignorant of human nature as well as an enemy to the Christian faith”;
and Elias Boudinot, President of Congress, even published the Age of Revelation—a full-length rebuttal to Paine's work.
Patrick Henry, too, wrote a refutation of Paine's work which he described as “the puny efforts of Paine.”
When William Paterson, signer of the Constitution and a Justice on the U. S. Supreme Court, learned that some Americans seemed to agree with Paine's work, he thundered, “Infatuated Americans, why renounce your country, your religion, and your God?”
Zephaniah Swift, author of America's first law book, noted, “He has the impudence and effrontery [shameless boldness] to address to the citizens of the United States of America a paltry performance which is intended to shake their faith in the religion of their fathers.”
John Jay, an author of the Federalist Papers and the original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court, was comforted by the fact that Christianity would prevail despite Paine's attack,” I have long been of the opinion that the evidence of the truth of Christianity requires only to be carefully examined to produce conviction in candid minds.”
In fact, Paine's views caused such vehement public opposition that he spent his last years in New York as “an outcast” in “social ostracism” and was buried in a farm field because no American cemetery would accept his remains.
This quote is not an actual quote. It has been disputed by Monticello.org : http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawik..._most_perverted_system_that_ever_shone_on_man
The first part of this quote is also disputed. It has falsely been attached to the second part (underlined) that has been taken out of context. Here is the context: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbi...act=text&offset=8287826&textreg=1&query=burnt
You ought to be more careful about from where you pull your information. It doesn't help your argument at all.
And here is what Ron Paul thinks of people who are trying to revise our nation's history: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
2) Christ was not a Rabbi. I've heard all the arguments from the Christian right, and this is pathetic. Even if he existed, he was Christian. Not Jewish in any way after his childhood. And excuse my language, but no crap? I don't need things that I learned in my Hebrew School and Jewish Studies to be lectured to me. Even then, it does not mean that Christians are Jews. There were no Jews in the US in the 1700's. Get your facts straight, please. Christians are not Jews, and if you wish to argue this, I gladly will, like I have with hundreds of other fanatics in the past. And I haven't lost a single argument to date.
3) Oh, please. Your source is a website that looks like it was made in a matter of minutes which has no credibility whatsoever. EVEN IF a majority of our founders were Christians, that doesn't mean our country was founded on Christian principles. It never was, and NEVER will be. There's no way in hell some bloody right winged Christian fanatics are going to try to re-write history in this country. And I love how you completely ignored the statement about that treaty

4) ...And that's why many of our founders agreed and praised him? Do you have any proof to back your statements?
5) Note how it's disputed. Not necessarily false. Just disputed.
6) Again, not even going to visit the second link. Why? Key word; disputed. What you were looking for and didn't find was a definite, "false statement."
7) Right back at ya'.
8) Note how he said traditions, and not roots, foundation, etcetera. As our nation grew, so did the amount of Christians. This nation was never founded on Christian traditions. Many people celebrate Christmas. Does that mean that you have to subjugate the entire country to your damn religions holiday, and proclaim that our nation is specifically for your own religion? Please.