Was America founded on Judeo-Christian Principles? Of Course it was!

[FSP-Rebel]

Not sure what the other 40-some pages discuss, but I'd offer that many of the Founders, including Franklin and Jefferson, were deists--not judeo-christians. A creator is mentioned by the Founders, not an identifiable God.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I guess I'll be the asshole to ask, "who the fuck cares what the founders believed!?!"

This country is a failure. The American experiment in limited government failed horrendously. The Founders, some of whom were wise men (Jefferson, Paine, etc), should be commended for their efforts in trying to pioneer a version of statism that worked. The truth is, however, that it failed miserably.

Nope.

What failed is the people's unwillingness to educate themselves and stay vigilant. No piece of paper can keep you free, unless you back it up. Our apathy is what has led to the current state of our nation.

The principles upon which this great country was founded and yes, I said GREAT, are still valid. Just as the Constitution is. The problem is, and always has been, that we did not require our public servants to follow it.

Why is there so much hero worship on these forums? If it's not Ron Paul or Peter Schiff, you people are worshiping men who died hundreds of years ago, and whose ideas, although genius in their own time, are outdated now that we have seen the result of their experiment and their philosophy.

This forum was started as grassroots support for Ron Paul's campaign and as such, many of us here support the platform of his campaign. A part of that platform was to reinstate the Constitution and individual liberty. If you think that is "outdated", I'm unclear why you are here.

Oh, and there is no god. Invisible men don't exist. Sorry. Time to grow up.

You have a right to your own opinion. However, that does not change the fact that this country was founded on Christian principles.

 

[Kludge]

This forum was started as grassroots support for Ron Paul's campaign and as such, many of us here support the platform of his campaign. A part of that platform was to reinstate the Constitution and individual liberty. If you think that is "outdated", I'm unclear why you are here.

A US government operating as the Constitution permitted would be an increase in individual liberty.

Perhaps he supports individual liberty but not necessarily the Constitution.

 

[Deborah K]

Not sure what the other 40-some pages discuss, but I'd offer that many of the Founders, including Franklin and Jefferson, were deists--not judeo-christians. A creator is mentioned by the Founders, not an identifiable God.

The OP is more about what principles the country was founded upon, not necessarily whether or not the founders themselves were Christian, although here's some history on that:

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

 

[Ozwest]

I don't get it, As a Libertarian, I could give a stuff if people a green, purple, or whatever.

If they don't break laws, and respect my space...

So what? What's the drama?

 

[Deborah K]

Why is there so much hero worship on these forums? If it's not Ron Paul or Peter Schiff, you people are worshiping men who died hundreds of years ago, and whose ideas, although genius in their own time, are outdated now that we have seen the result of their experiment and their philosophy.

You are implying that there are members of this forum who revere or adulate Ron Paul, or Schiff, or whomever, just because they respect their intelligence and knowledge. You are clearly confused.

As to the Constitution being outdated. This implies that if it had been followed, rather than subverted for the last 150 or so years, that the end the result would have been the same. How could you possibly know that?

Oh, and there is no god. Invisible men don't exist. Sorry. Time to grow up.

As a famous astronomer once said, " Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Let me ask you this: do you believe there is intelligent life on other planets?

 

[paulim]

Christ was Jew. The Christian religion was born out of Judaism.

That might be wrong. According to the book 'The controversy of zion' by douglas reed, Jesus was of galilean descent, that means he wasn't a jew. I quote:

This public assertion, "Jesus was a Jew", is always used in our century for political purposes. It is often
employed to quell objections to the Zionist influence in international politics or to the Zionist invasion of
Palestine, the suggestion being that, as Jesus was a Jew, none ought to object to anything purporting to be
done in the name of Jews. The irrelevance is obvious, but mobs are moved by such phrases, and the
paradoxical result, once again, is that a statement, most offensive to literal Jews, is most frequently made by
non-Jewish politicians and ecclesiastics who seek Jewish favour.

The English abbreviation, "Jew", is recent and does not correspond to anything denoted by the
Aramaic, Greek or Roman terms for "Judahite" or "Judean", which were in use during the lifetime of Jesus.
In fact, the English noun "Jew" cannot be defined (so that dictionaries, which are scrupulously careful about
all other words, are reduced to such obvious absurdities as "A person of Hebrew race"); and the Zionist state
has no legal definition of the term (which is natural, because the Torah, which is the Law, exacts pure Judahite
descent, and a person of this lineage is hardly to be found in the entire world).

If the statement, "Jesus was a Jew", has meaning therefore, it must apply to the conditions prevailing in
his time. In that case it would mean one of three things, or all of them: that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah
(therefore Judahite); that he was of Judean domicile (and therefore Judean); that he was religiously "a Jew", if
any religion denoted by that term existed in his time.

the book is detailed on this topic and the quote is only a small part

Hence, the "Judeo-Christian principles". Sorry if that bothers some, but it is of historic relevance to include Judaism into the fabric of our heritage.

How so? Only for the zionists.

 

[Deborah K]

I don't get it, As a Libertarian, I could give a stuff if people a green, purple, or whatever.

If they don't break laws, and respect my space...

So what? What's the drama?

The drama comes from people who, for whatever reason, feel threatened.

 

[Ozwest]

I guess some of you are unable to grasp the concept without prejudice.

You confuse personal preferences with Liberty.

 

[Ozwest]

The drama comes from people who, for whatever reason, feel threatened.

That's the price.

 

[Deborah K]

That might be wrong. According to the book 'The controversy of zion' by douglas reed, Jesus was of galilean descent, that means he wasn't a jew. I quote:

the book is detailed on this topic and the quote is only a small part

How so? Only for the zionists.

This would contradict the bible. In the New Testament, Jesus and his parents are often mentioned as practicing the Jewish religion.

Let me just state that I am not an Israel supporter per say. I think they should be allowed to defend themselves without US approval. I think it is time to cut the cord where the state of Israel is concerned. I happen to agree with Dr. Paul on this issue.

 

[Deborah K]

How so? Only for the zionists.

Is it my understanding that there is a difference between Zionists and Jews. Are you implying there isn't?

 

[Ozwest]

It always freaks me out.

Americans are too carried away about religion.

Guess you'll clue in the rest of the Planet when you make your decision.

During the meantime.

I'm cranking up some Pink Floyd...

 

[Deborah K]

It always freaks me out.

Americans are too carried away about religion.

The reason is because of social engineering. We are being taught as a society to disregard our heritage and to look at belief in God as child-like and ignorant. Obviously, this is offensive to people who believe in a Creator.

Guess you'll clue in the rest of the Planet when you make your decision.

To whom are you directing the above? I don't understand the statement.

During the meantime.

I'm cranking up some Pink Floyd

Enjoy. Love Pink Floyd.

 

[Ozwest]

Israel may control the World, But its Headquarters is in America.

 

[Ozwest]

Got side-tracked by the Doors.

Nice detour.

 

[RedStripe]

The Founder's belief in God (to whatever extent it existed) was just as flawed in their belief that the constitution was a good idea.

The enlightenment failed insofar as science and reason did not totally defeat god and statism, the most prolific spooks in the history of mankind and most responsible for authority-worship and enslavement.

Personally, the only religion that concerns me is statism. People 'talking' to the voice in their own heads don't bother me.

edit: the ads on this page are hilarious. "visit the holy land to discover your christian heritage" hah, all you need to do is read a book on paganism to do that (costs less and you won't have to support an apartheid state's tourism industry)

 

[Deborah K]

The Founder's belief in God (to whatever extent it existed) was just as flawed in their belief that the constitution was a good idea.

Where would you rather live then?

 

[Objectivist]

Didn't want to repost the OP but this is my response. So you attribute the ideals of the founders solely on Judeo-Christian ideals? You can't attribute those ideals specifically and solely to Jews and Christians. Most humans hold those ideals, Freedom is a universal want and desire.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Please keep this thread on-topic

I don't have the time to go through upteen zillion pages to get all of them, but at least the last off-topic posts have been moved into a new thread of their own, here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=191265

From this point on, please keep this thread on-topic.

Thanks.