War on the Electoral College

[Keith and stuff]

I think that means the most they can have is one for every 30,000. But I agree - the House of Representatives needs to be much bigger.

We have 1 representative for every 3300 people in New Hampshire. They get paid a salary of $100 per year. There is no health insurance. There is no pension. They don't have offices. They don't have staff. It damn sure makes sense to me.

 

[tttppp]

Good riddance to it. I'm surprised not everybody here is against it. Isn't it just another socialist-like program trying to ensure "equality"? Why should my vote be lessened because people chose to live in the country? And besides, politicians pretty much only concentrate on states or areas that are neck-in-neck in the polls.

I agree. I hate the electoral college. I don't like how my vote doesn't count at all.

 

[farreri]

There are 50 independent states. The people in the states vote as a whole. It makes sense. This is a Constitutional Republic made up of 50 independent states. This isn't a democracy. This is the United States of America.

Ideally, the feds aren't supposed to do anything that's not authorized in the constitution. The POTUS is only supposed to be a figurehead, more or less.

Why would getting rid of the electoral college that lessens my vote because where I live (a city) matter?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Ideally, the feds aren't supposed to do anything that's not authorized in the constitution. The POTUS is only supposed to be a figurehead, more or less.

Why would getting rid of the electoral college that lessens my vote because where I live (a city) matter?

National popular vote isn't supposed to matter in the US. There are 50 independent states in the US.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

I agree. I hate the electoral college. I don't like how my vote doesn't count at all.

When the country was first founded, your vote wouldn't count in many states where electors where chosen by the state legislator.

 

[tttppp]

When the country was first founded, your vote wouldn't count in many states where electors where chosen by the state legislator.

I don't support that either.

 

[AuH20]

Agenda 21 would thrive in a world without that pesky electoral college. Just saying.

 

[Carehn]

Am I the only one that thinks they should fight to the death like gladiators???

 

[angelatc]

Am I the only one that thinks they should fight to the death like gladiators???

I'm ok with that. At the very least, a "Survivor" style contest instead of the debate format.

 

[BlackTerrel]

So it appears that the Democrats are all for equality in every aspect of humanity. Unless, of course you live in the country. Bumpkin.

Equality is everyone's vote counts the same.

I think the best system of government is the one where the President is elected by the most votes.

 

[steph3n]

Equality is everyone's vote counts the same.

I think the best system of government is the one where the President is elected by the most votes.

A popular vote count, doesn't mean your vote is the same. If you go to popular vote may was well skip polling anything but the top 30 cities, they are all that matter.

Those people that feed you every day, make sure you have clothes to wear, ensure there is water to drink, those 'country bumpkins' will have no say at all then.

The fact is, very FEW countries go by just popular vote. That is why so many have to form 'unity governments' because they don't have enough votes to be the ruling party/ president etc. That is due to proportional representation laws. If you go popular vote, that is the only way to ensure at least some say of the minority.

Democracy is not good, it is in fact a disaster.

 

[tttppp]

A popular vote count, doesn't mean your vote is the same. If you go to popular vote may was well skip polling anything but the top 30 cities, they are all that matter.

Those people that feed you every day, make sure you have clothes to wear, ensure there is water to drink, those 'country bumpkins' will have no say at all then.

So its better that most of the top 30 cities don't have a say, and a very few people make the decisions for them?

 

[steph3n]

So its better that most of the top 30 cities don't have a say, and a very few people make the decisions for them?

the EC ensures that is not the case. Their vote matters as it is tallied to the states total.
The EC ensures that the nation is represented.

I am an anarchist, my say is never represented I am just presenting to you the other side here.

 

[tttppp]

the EC ensures that is not the case. Their vote matters as it is tallied to the states total.
The EC ensures that the nation is represented.

I am an anarchist, my say is never represented I am just presenting to you the other side here.

If you are not in a swing state, your vote does not matter.

 

[steph3n]

If you are not in a swing state, your vote does not matter.

nor would it in a popular vote if you were one of 10s of millions in a rural area.

Either way disenfranchises millions of voters.

the answer is not popular vote. If anything in a representative government plan, it is proportional representation.
Especially with the dominate 2 parties here, it would really mean a lot more to have a 10-15% minority part and a 3-5% minority party representing the people.

 

[BlackTerrel]

A popular vote count, doesn't mean your vote is the same. If you go to popular vote may was well skip polling anything but the top 30 cities, they are all that matter.

Those people that feed you every day, make sure you have clothes to wear, ensure there is water to drink, those 'country bumpkins' will have no say at all then.

The fact is, very FEW countries go by just popular vote. That is why so many have to form 'unity governments' because they don't have enough votes to be the ruling party/ president etc. That is due to proportional representation laws. If you go popular vote, that is the only way to ensure at least some say of the minority.

Democracy is not good, it is in fact a disaster.

This makes no sense at all. In a popular vote the one single person in the country will have the same say as the one single person in the city.

Of course combined the 30 million people in greater NYC will have more say than the 20,000 people in Pratville, Alabama - but why wouldn't they?

 

[steph3n]

This makes no sense at all. In a popular vote the one single person in the country will have the same say as the one single person in the city.

Of course combined the 30 million people in greater NYC will have more say than the 20,000 people in Pratville, Alabama - but why wouldn't they?

Because they are city people thinking city things, that don't know the impact of their agenda and policy on their 'fly over' land that brings them all the goodness they consume. The majority should never rule over the minority in such a way. It is bad for all in the end.

If those people are not represented properly, and according to their desires, they will make their own way to be represented, presenting us with Civil War II, only then the city folk will be slaughtered and their vote will have no meaning in the end, except their own death.

 

[TheTexan]

Secession is the answer to this problem. It's the answer to many problems, actually.

 

[tttppp]

Because they are city people thinking city things, that don't know the impact of their agenda and policy on their 'fly over' land that brings them all the goodness they consume. The majority should never rule over the minority in such a way. It is bad for all in the end.

If those people are not represented properly, and according to their desires, they will make their own way to be represented, presenting us with Civil War II, only then the city folk will be slaughtered and their vote will have no meaning in the end, except their own death.

Id prefer it if the majority ruled as opposed to the minority. Plus a system where every vote counts is better. Either go to majority rules, or eliminate parties on the ballot, that way people will have to use their brain when voting, thus making all states swing states.

 

[Ender]

Democracy is two wolves and one lamb deciding what's for dinner.

A Constitutional Republic is two wolves and one lamb deciding what's for dinner- but lamb is not on the menu.