War Makes sense, America doesn't...and I miss the war...

The you don't get it refers to the desire for whatever reason to be back there. You couldn't possibly understand it since I don't even really know why. You can only get it though, if you get it.

You seem to think morals are absolute. I hate to break it to you but morals are relative. So are gods.

I've come to realize that philosophical ideals are great to have, they are something to strive for. However, in the real world they are nothing more than hopes and dreams. You want it all. But you will NEVER win if you try to get everything all at once. The communists of the early 20th century wanted to see the US turn red. They realized that unlike Russia there would be no great revolution. So they started everything slowly. By slowly picking away at the country our country is now at the precipice of actually going full blown socialist without even hiding it. Those dead actually genius in their implementation of our servitude/slavery have almost realized their dream knowing they would never live to see it. That is a strategy we have implement. David could not build your gods temple because of the blood on his hands. That is the biblical story anyways.

I was young and idealistic once. We all fight for something. I fought because I knew this country could become a battlefield. Not because of the Afghan people, they are irrelevant. But it was a fight I chose to join because I forged the knowledge and relationships that may sadly be needed here. Perhaps I became corrupted because of it, but when we were out there, we didn't fight for country, we didn't fight because we believed in the war, we fought for each other. That perhaps is the greatest lesson of war. Since you brought up Germany, do you really think those men fought for anything different? I know your going to probably smugly link to that article on Lew Rockwell about the German soldier, but I promise you the world is not black and white, it is gray. Very very grey.

I don't need your approval. What I need is knowledge and skills to be able to fight back here because that may be needed. I ask you, how much did you donate to Ron Paul in the 2008 and 2012 elections? How many people did you try to educate and bring to the liberty movement? These are rhetorical questions that you need only answer yourself. I have faith and confidence that you did your best. That is all one can ask.

I don't see myself as a hero, or as a "hired killer" as you insinuated. If that is what you believe I am so be it. I tell you though, one day you may be required to bring up arms against another American. I fear that day and hope it doesn't happen, however, those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. I consider myself among the "preppers." Enlisting was a 5 year prep. My journey within the military is coming to its end. My start with the militia begins when that end comes to fruition.

In fact, what I truly hope is that you never ever have to do is snap in on a man, woman or child and know that you may be tasked with taking the shot. I at great risk avoided a shot I should have taken on a motorcycle that had a man (most likely a spotter that was testing if we would fire or not) and a woman come within feet of our convoy and rode right past us. We had intel that the locals had a motorcycle armed with explosives. A motorcycle that was armed with explosives later hit two vehicles in our convey. Was it them? I will never know. It is something I get to question the rest of my life. Perhaps I should have taken the shot. Perhaps I just saved the lives of a man and his wife just trying to bug out of the situation. I will hope it was just that. War has consequences.

I truly believe the US is the next war front. When I get out and move to were I plan to live, guess what. You are only 200 miles away (I googled from were you say you located). What if there comes a day I am your squad leader trying to protect Purcellville's 1st Freedom Battalion from UN forces trying to establish control? Would you follow and trust me then?

Afghan war veterans are not your enemy. In fact, many many veterans are here on this forum. We may not be ancaps, we may not even necessarily be libertarians, but we share similar ideals. If the infighting does not stop this movement will never be more than a collection of fringe movements trying to accomplish everything and ending up accomplishing nothing. At the end of the day I am just a guy that doesn't have all the answers, doesn't care to have them and really just wants the freedom to be left alone to do as I desire.

In 2008, I was a 13 year old kid who had no clue about anything. In 2012, I was in the process of waking up, but still in the process. I was actually in a law enforcement class at the time seeking to become a prosecuting attorney (I have learned a lot since 2012... lol...). I was also still getting through high school. For what its worth, my school's YAL chapter is starting up soon and I am joining.

Its not that I see Afghan war vets as my enemy, just that I cannot imagine why anyone who is a libertarian, or even a constitutionalist, would be proud of service in a war like that. I think the German soldier analogy is better than you think it is. German soldiers weren't all Hitler, or SS, and a lot of them genuinely believed they were fighting for the good of Germany. The fact that you are preparing for war here is an understandable reason, I suppose. With that being said, if you don't know this already, you should stay FAR AWAY from law enforcement. Everyone should, I understand, but especially you. There's nothing good at all about bringing a wartime mentality to policing.

I'm glad you didn't take the shot. You aren't morally responsible for the shots you didn't take, only the ones you did. Again, you were the ones who were invading in the first place.

A big part of the problem is that while YOU don't consider yourself a hero, I've been bombarded all my life with the idea that vets are. And once I starting reading Vance and waking up, I couldn't go back to that mentality. Its not that I judge you. I don't. Heaven knows that stupid things I would have done had I not woken up before I got out of high school. Why you would want to be a part of bringing war to a foreign land though, I'll never understand.
 
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So you were an amoral sheep who "just followed orders" and used the Nuremberg defense rather than obeying God over man?

Sorry... no respect here. I don't "get it." I care about morals too much.

Which did not prevent you from entering into a thread in which you had nothing to contribute.
 
Lock someone up for a victimless crime? If the victim is American, the perpetrator is a pig who should be shot on the spot. But if an American goes overseas and flat out kills an Afghan, its something that should be celebrated or at least "respected."

You know what, I don't give a crap about this world, because I know where I'm going when I die. America will burn in Hell for its sins, and I have NO INTEREST in defending or working with people who will celebrate their crimes on behalf of this government. The OP is a self-righteous hypocrite who rightly condemns people who institute tyranny over Americans yet gives no value to the lives of people in other countries. I said before that Afghan war vets weren't my enemy. I take that back. The unrepentant ones are every bit as much my enemy as unrepentant police.
 
I'm not sure I'm really in the Ron Paul movement anymore. I have tons of respect for the man himself, but either this movement has completely left me behind in the dust, or I've left it behind. I'm not totally sure which. But, there is nothing praiseworthy about this thread or the military apologists in it. I know you have to do some of that to "win" in politics, which is part of the reason why I don't care about doing so. I value truth more than I value the White House, or even my own reputation among my peers.

Its even worse when people who KNOW the conflict was a "waste of time" nonetheless say "the world loses nothing when an Afghan lies."

Again, I would NEVER make such an evil statement. Not even toward the hypocrite in the OP...
 
At the end of the day it seems that most people here are collectivists, even if they don't realize it. People value their own freedom more than other people's freedom. Now, it is of course understandable that you would act to protect your own freedom first. But, there's a difference between ignoring someone else's plight because you can't do anything about it, and actively making someone else's plight worse. Middle Easterners do not want western style "democracy." So be it. And yes, there are bad things that go on in those countries. Doesn't give you a right to kill them.
 
At the end of the day it seems that most people here are collectivists, even if they don't realize it. People value their own freedom more than other people's freedom. Now, it is of course understandable that you would act to protect your own freedom first. But, there's a difference between ignoring someone else's plight because you can't do anything about it, and actively making someone else's plight worse. Middle Easterners do not want western style "democracy." So be it. And yes, there are bad things that go on in those countries. Doesn't give you a right to kill them.

Most people are collectivists, you're right, but that's not exclusive to here.

Regarding the thread, I'll man up and say I rated it one star.

I vaguely remember the discussions here before the OP even joined the Marines....I don't have the time to dig up those threads now, but I recall being one of the ones saying I'd have no empathy when he returned. I cannot wrap my head around joining that organization after awakening, nor will I spend anymore brain cells trying to understand it.

Hard to sympathize or empathize when one complains of self-inflicted injuries, mental or physical.
 
Most people are collectivists, you're right, but that's not exclusive to here.

Oh, I know. I just wasn't EXPECTING so much of it here. mind you, we're all probably collectivist to SOME extent, and that's not INHERENTLY a bad thing. Its understandable why you'd have more loyalty to your family, your neighbors, your church, and even your country* than you would some random people in Afghanistan. That doesn't give you a right to kill them.

*As an ancap I don't necessarily feel any special loyalty to "Americans" as such, but meh...
Regarding the thread, I'll man up and say I rated it one star.

I vaguely remember the discussions here before the OP even joined the Marines....I don't have the time to dig up those threads now, but I recall being one of the ones saying I'd have no empathy when he returned. I cannot wrap my head around joining that organization after awakening, nor will I spend anymore brain cells trying to understand it.

Hard to sympathize or empathize when one complains of self-inflicted injuries, mental or physical.

I'll have to look for it. If you do find it later and decide to post it, I'd appreciate it.

Wow... he joined after he woke up.... I don't get it.

I wonder what Gunny thinks about this. He's always struck me as reasonable, even if more sympathetic to the military than I'm able to understand. But I cannot imagine him making a statement like Uriel made...
 
If anything FF's "input" is more likely to drive him back to the war.

What's the alternative? Wax eloquently on this forum about domestic abuses, but let the ultimate crime of indifferent murder go unquestioned?

Gunny, I respect you for all you've done for liberty, but I'm not sure I'll ever understand you:p
 
Well, what could?

You've offered some advice, I've minced words and offered advice.

I'm minded of that Tom Cruise/Samurai movie.

At the end of the day, my sympathy runs thin.

There is always the option not to comment. This being the Internet, and a site populated by true believers, I'll agree that not many can exhibit that degree of personal control.

RP supporters can really annoy generally sympathetic people who share many of our views by exhibiting an obsessive need to make others agree with them, rather than trying to make a point and if there is disagreement, move on.
 
your blind naivety shields you from understanding the thoughts of those that have done and seen more than you. In many ways you do represent the Christian you would like to be as the bible advocates thinking like a child...That is because once you grow up you realize the world doesn't have absolutes. It is a gray, shady place where idealism has no place in reality. Keep your dreams alive but understand while you have sat at home fat and happy I have trained my mind and body for something greater.

Was Afghan the good fight? The right fight? No it was a complete waste, and I don't know anybody that over there believed in it, but we fought regardless. The Afghan people are feral anyways. There is no loss to world when an Afghan dies. These are people that culturally accept molestation of not only their children but their livestock. Yes, that is an every day occurrence. I don't care about their man love Thursdays as that is at least consensual, but these are a disgusting people. Then again somebody on this forum will tell me that camel and goat fucking is perfectly acceptable if you own the animal because freedom...
Remember this, comrade-no matter how "feral" or "mean" or whatever they are, they too are human and children of God. Recognize their humanity and save yourself from becoming a barbarian at heart. ~hugs~

Remember Matthew 5:44.
 
The you don't get it refers to the desire for whatever reason to be back there. You couldn't possibly understand it since I don't even really know why. You can only get it though, if you get it.

You seem to think morals are absolute. I hate to break it to you but morals are relative. So are gods.

O rlly? When and how can murder justified as "moral"? (I mean as distinct from manslaughter-a purposeful act of killing another person for no rational reason)
 
I get it, kind of. There is a certain chaos and primal satisfaction in being in third world countries. I love third world countries. I have lived in a few.

But you don't have to be in an occupying army to love them. That same primal feel is still there. It's not the war that makes them exciting.
 
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