WaPo: Will Rand Paul Inherit the Energy From his Father's Campaigns? (cites RPFs)

[cajuncocoa]

"They"? Why not "we"?

"We" are not wanted.

Rand Paul is putting a lot of faith in defectors like Nystrom being in the minority. And he is probably hoping that he takes the Infowars conspiracy theories community with him.

 

[eleganz]

I will push like I did for his father.

Same here, Rand has a better chance at winning, no announcement has been made and it is looking much much stronger than 08 and 12 already.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The liberty torch has been passed...

Better hide this tomorrow. There's a lot more of "them" and they don't like Ron so much. Wouldn't want to upset all that potential new money from people who still believe Iraq was involved on 9-11.

 

[trey4sports]

It will definitely be different than the campaigns his father ran. I believe that this campaign will certainly bring about more votes but less die hard support which is fine. I mean just look at the campaigns of McCain and Romney. Enthusiasm doesn't necessarily equal votes.

 

[francisco]

I will push like I did for his father.

Same Here! (Actually, harder and more effectively. I've successfully become part of party & attained some credibility, to have influence from within).

 

[orenbus]

You know, I was thinking that very same thing! And we were probably thinking of that very same poster, too. Wonder who that could have been, lol?

lol

 

[CPUd]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...energy-of-Ron-Paul%92s-campaigns-(cites-RPFs)

 

[Deborah K]

It will definitely be different than the campaigns his father ran. I believe that this campaign will certainly bring about more votes but less die hard support which is fine. I mean just look at the campaigns of McCain and Romney. Enthusiasm doesn't necessarily equal votes.

Nope, enthusiasm doesn't equate to votes - money does. And the candidate that raises the most is most likely to win.

 

[William Tell]

Better hide this tomorrow. There's a lot more of "them" and they don't like Ron so much. Wouldn't want to upset all that potential new money from people who still believe Iraq was involved on 9-11.

Well, too bad for "them" Ron is attending Rand's announcement tomorrow.

 

[William Tell]

Tell that to the likes of Matt Collins.

I don't take Collins seriously. I like Rand and AJ!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

True enough.

It would be nice if he reached out to "us", meaning the core of his dad's support, and asked us to join him.

Maybe he has, and I missed it.

From Rand:

Skyrocketing spending and $18.1 TRILLION in national debt . . .

Barack Obama's NSA illegally spying on the phone calls of innocent Americans . . .

The massive corruption and cronyism taking place under a cloak of secrecy at the Federal Reserve . . .

The trampling of the Bill of Rights and the flat-out disregard for our most basic freedoms . . .

Liberty is under siege in America.

And today I'm asking for your help to do something about it.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472091-Message-from-Rand

 

[devil21]

Nope, enthusiasm doesn't equate to votes - money does. And the candidate that raises the most is most likely to win.

But that's the catch, at least according to Collins and his ilk. They want our money but for us to otherwise shut up and "let the pros handle it". I'm nobody's meek cash cow, sorry.

 

[orenbus]

They want our money but for us to otherwise shut up and "let the pros handle it". I'm nobody's meek cash cow, sorry.

 

[cajuncocoa]

But that's the catch, at least according to Collins and his ilk. They want our money but for us to otherwise shut up and "let the pros handle it". I'm nobody's meek cash cow, sorry.

that's exactly how Collins makes us feel. I'd like to hear the truth from Rand somehow.

 

[devil21]

Well, on the eve of Rand's announcement and the moneybomb, I'll be the first to outright say that I plan to donate precisely $0.00 to the official campaign.

What I would have donated will instead be given to genuine Rand 2016 grassroots efforts that sprout up, my own campaign related expenses, like attending debates and party functions, and worthy candidate's campaigns that can ride Rand's coat-tails. I'm done giving Saber/Rothfeld/Collins/Benton my money (after watching them run off with half of Greg Brannon's campaign fund and a huge chunk of Ron's). Plus, as somewhat of a founding member of this movement, I sure won't be told to STFU by the same.

I'm not trying to advocate others to withhold donations nor trying to start any shit. It's your money, do what you want with it. That is liberty. For me, I always dance with who I brought and if those that I brought don't want to dance with me then I'm happy to dance alone. I sure as hell won't pay for your ticket though.

So yes, Rand will inherit my energy. What he won't inherit is my money. At least not directly.

 

[CJLauderdale4]

But that's the catch, at least according to Collins and his ilk. They want our money but for us to otherwise shut up and "let the pros handle it". I'm nobody's meek cash cow, sorry.

I hear what you're saying...but just like Ron's first time out, the initial money bomb was more about sending a message to the establishment than the actual dollar amount. Once we saw the size of the money bomb, we just kept giving to see how high we could make it go.

For Rand, a "money bomb" is not a new concept, so the novelty of "how high" isn't there, nor is a principled stance like Ron.

But is there not still a "sending a message" aspect to tomorrow??

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Bastiat's The Law, you're famous!

Iz famous?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I dunno. If the dude wins Iowa and NH, the idealists will come pouring out of the woodwork.

At the moment it feels like giving up something solid, purity and idealism and righteous fury, for no tangible results. If Rand gets traction, then suddenly, maybe, all the effort in '08 and '12 wasn't for nothing.

That, that sensation right then, of justification of a decade of work, could be the biggest political movement of the century.

I think you're onto something. I think deep down Rand is an idealists himself.

 

[Inkblots]

Well, on the eve of Rand's announcement and the moneybomb, I'll be the first to outright say that I plan to donate precisely $0.00 to the official campaign[...]

I'm done giving Saber/Rothfeld/Collins/Benton my money[...]

So yes, Rand will inherit my energy. What he won't inherit is my money. At least not directly.

I'm glad you'll be working for Rand in your own way, and you have every right to do that however you think best.

But I need to ask: you do realize that Rand 2016 is a completely different animal from Ron 2012, right? I mean, of the people you named, 0% of them are affiliated with the official Rand campaign. Benton's on a super PAC, and he'll probably still work with Saber Comms, but that's a reason to avoid the PACs, not the official campaign.

Rand's recruited a team of genuine professionals, and they're not going to be involved in any of the sleazy stuff some of "Paul, Inc." got up to in 2012. Rand seems to be better at making staffing decisions than Ron was -- to be honest, hands-on management and avoiding shysters were never part of Ron's strong suit.

 

[SilentBull]

I dunno. If the dude wins Iowa and NH, the idealists will come pouring out of the woodwork.

At the moment it feels like giving up something solid, purity and idealism and righteous fury, for no tangible results. If Rand gets traction, then suddenly, maybe, all the effort in '08 and '12 wasn't for nothing.

That, that sensation right then, of justification of a decade of work, could be the biggest political movement of the century.

I hope you are right, except so many libertarians don't actually want libertarianism to go mainstream. For some it's a way for them to feel special. They feel better when they lose.