WaPo: Will Rand Paul Inherit the Energy From his Father's Campaigns? (cites RPFs)

I think you're onto something. I think deep down Rand is an idealists himself.

Without a doubt; indeed, it's not even all that "deep down". You can see it when he gets visibly irritated in an interview because he wants to talk first principles but knows if he does they'll just twist his words against him. The man has no poker face.

Being a politician must be endlessly frustrating, and Rand frequently shows it. :D
 
I hope you are right, except so many libertarians don't actually want libertarianism to go mainstream. For some it's a way for them to feel special. They feel better when they lose.

Ah, yes. The "hipstertarian" vote. I'd not worry -- those who are actively seeking to lose are best left out of the campaign. And I'm pretty sure they're a tiny fraction of the Liberty movement in any case.
 
I will see how I feel tomorrow. I like Rand, I hope he can make me love him like I do his father. I believe his heart is in the right place and hope the politics is just that. Not like any path to Liberty should be closed.
 
But I need to ask: you do realize that Rand 2016 is a completely different animal from Ron 2012, right? I mean, of the people you named, 0% of them are affiliated with the official Rand campaign. Benton's on a super PAC, and he'll probably still work with Saber Comms, but that's a reason to avoid the PACs, not the official campaign.

Rand's recruited a team of genuine professionals, and they're not going to be involved in any of the sleazy stuff some of "Paul, Inc." got up to in 2012. Rand seems to be better at making staffing decisions than Ron was -- to be honest, hands-on management and avoiding shysters were never part of Ron's strong suit.

Not picking one side or another in this discussion, but out of curiosity how do you know what the final staffing decisions will be prior to any announcements made tomorrow and the days following?

I usually refer to this list, they seem to keep it up to date pretty well and it references a number of open questions still regarding specific staffers, that may or may not, come over to the presidential committee from the PAC based on announcements and filings.

http://www.p2016.org/paul/paulorg.html
 
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Not picking one side or another in this discussion, but out of curiosity how do you know what the final staffing decisions will be prior to any announcements made tomorrow and the days following?

I usually refer to this list, they seem to keep it up to date pretty well and it references a number of open questions still regarding specific staffers, that may or may not, come over to the presidential committee from the PAC based on announcements and filings.

http://www.p2016.org/paul/paulorg.html

Fair question. I'm mostly basing it on the public announcements from Rand's org and current positions the people named. I also had a reassuring conversation with someone well-connected in my state that "Paul, Inc." will be kept arm's length from the official campaign. This could change, but I feel confident front-loading my donations because I'm satisfied that Rand 2016 will be much better managed than anything Ron ever did.

But equally, I've given nothing to RandPAC because I want to save my pennies and dimes for the "A Team".
 
I'm glad you'll be working for Rand in your own way, and you have every right to do that however you think best.

But I need to ask: you do realize that Rand 2016 is a completely different animal from Ron 2012, right? I mean, of the people you named, 0% of them are affiliated with the official Rand campaign. Benton's on a super PAC, and he'll probably still work with Saber Comms, but that's a reason to avoid the PACs, not the official campaign.

Rand's recruited a team of genuine professionals, and they're not going to be involved in any of the sleazy stuff some of "Paul, Inc." got up to in 2012. Rand seems to be better at making staffing decisions than Ron was -- to be honest, hands-on management and avoiding shysters were never part of Ron's strong suit.

I've seen no evidence whatsoever to support your statement. In fact, reading between the lines of what sparse information about the campaign structure has been made available, looked like "more of the same" to me. I'm not talking about who the campaign chair is or things like that. I'm talking solely about the money and marketing side. Maybe time will tell and maybe I'll change my mind at a later date, but as of right now I see the same group being thoroughly involved.
 
I hope you are right, except so many libertarians don't actually want libertarianism to go mainstream. For some it's a way for them to feel special. They feel better when they lose.

I can see you don't understand libertarianism.
The "problem" with so many libertarians is not that we don't want it to go mainstream. It's that we realize that "going mainstream" necessarily entails giving up on some core principles for what eventually amounts to nothing more than a promise to get other principles attended to.

What none of you Republicans seem to get is that the Ron Paul campaigns weren't following those rules... and they came dangerously close to getting somewhere. Close to making actual changes. The Revolution wasn't about working the system - it was about defiance to the system. It was a group of people who thumbed their collective noses at the system and at the same time worked that system to try to coopt it.

Nobody seriously thought the end goal of Ron's movement was to get into positions of power and hold on to them. The entire point was to do something totally different - starting with supporting the oldest presidential candidate in history who stuttered and couldn't find a good tailor to save his life.

Ron's strategy from the beginning was to inspire people to destroy power.
Rand's strategy from the beginning has been to acquire power.
Will some people be as enthusiastic about that? No doubt. But they will not be the same people.

And as has already been pointed out, and never rebutted, those people are not only not inspired, they're being asked not to show up at all.
Everyone seems perfectly comfortable with that, except for those original enthusiasts, and as stated, they don't count. So the answer to the question is no, no there will not be the same enthusiasm.
 
Rand is going to have to play the game if he wants to win. We have to face that he can't win if he works his campaign like Ron did. I think Ron wants Rand to win and would be with him all the way. I think Ron would rather see Rand being president than himself. At least he was raised by our man Ron Paul that has to mean something to us. What other choice do we really have? Let's stand with Rand guys.
 
Rand is going to have to play the game if he wants to win. We have to face that he can't win if he works his campaign like Ron did. I think Ron wants Rand to win and would be with him all the way. I think Ron would rather see Rand being president than himself. At least he was raised by our man Ron Paul that has to mean something to us. What other choice do we really have? Let's stand with Rand guys.

Rand winning would vindicate Ron, and Ron would have the ear of the President. Rand would rely on his father's wisdom.
 
The 2016 rEVOLution will be bigger than the 2012 rEVOLution. It's just physics. We aren't getting any smaller...
 
I can see you don't understand libertarianism.
The "problem" with so many libertarians is not that we don't want it to go mainstream. It's that we realize that "going mainstream" necessarily entails giving up on some core principles for what eventually amounts to nothing more than a promise to get other principles attended to.

What none of you Republicans seem to get is that the Ron Paul campaigns weren't following those rules... and they came dangerously close to getting somewhere. Close to making actual changes.
Not even close.

The Revolution wasn't about working the system - it was about defiance to the system. It was a group of people who thumbed their collective noses at the system and at the same time worked that system to try to coopt it.

Yeah, throwing a snowball at Sean Hannity, really changed policy and reduced the size and scope of government. yup
 
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